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Government hints at boosting Canada’s military spending

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I have long said that you could fund the CAF to 4 percent of GDP, but we would still lag behind in NATO and be much the same where we are.

It's never the money, it's politics. It's procedures. It's the pork-barreling in our defence spending that makes us a paper tiger in NATO.

My only hope in all of this for the CAF and the GoC, whatever the political stripe that may be, is that it will rouse them out of the "Peace Dividend" slumber. The world has been unstable since 1945. We have used geography, proximity, and association as a Defence Policy ever since. ICBMs don't care how close to the U.S. or how far from Russia/China we are.

Don't give us a dime more, but let us spend money on defence like it matters. The fact we follow the same rules for purchasing a fighter aircraft as we do for buying office furniture for a Service Canada office is disgraceful. Don't treat defense procurement as a stimulus package for Canadian Industry. There I said it.

We spend so much money, time, and effort trying to get that money to stay in Canada; be it by awarding contracts to companies with no capability to produce items without first "retooling" and"developing the production lines", or by hamstringing perfectly competent and competitive bidders by forcing the project to be made in St. Margaret de Poutain de Champignon, QC because the ruling government either lost the seat in the election, or won it with promises.

We spend so much money and staff hours jumping through TBS regulations that are great for other departments, but are terrible for defence procurement. Some items you have to sole source, because there are technologies and capabilities no one else makes. By doing the bid process, you get companies clamoring for a project they can't deliver on, but because they tick the bright boxes on the score sheet....

I truly and honestly belief we need to split from PSPC and legislate that its not beholden to TBS, only to the PBO/PCO. The guiding principles of this new Defence Procurement department should be "Off the shelf, from somewhere else" if there isn't an industry in Canada.

BOOTFORGEN has demonstrated how well we do when we are able to actually get what we need, instead of lining the pockets of a Canadian company that got lucky.

That, but with tanks, fighters, ships, weapons systems....
 
So then ask your self is it not working because of outsourcing it self, or a lack of accountability?
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Never really been sure why there isn't a card printer at each ID section. I'm sure they're expensive, but what's the value of getting rid of the hassle for the member, the process of mailing cards back and forth, and the NDI 10 craft project?
There used to be card printers and they are not really expensive.
Also, create consequences for taking those incentivized postings then not doing your job upon arrival.

Lots of people in my occupation wanted Esquimalt for the location, then magically became unfit sea as soon as they arrived... So two to four people would do all the work, and the rest would collect PLD and enjoy the February cherry blossoms.

Perhaps it's time to eliminate SDA, LDA and the rest, and move exclusively to paying them for time at sea / time in the field... no more bonus money based on an annotation to a position.
This is a reason I support the graduated pay rates based on tiers - 1 post me anywhere, 2 post within Canada, 3 don't post me. If you select 1 then you don't get to back out when posted to the middle east. Select 2 and you don't get to back out when posted. Have a set period for changing your selections. Also need the standard "this is not a 100% that you will not be posted. If a tier is fully posted then members from next tier will be selected from". If something did magically appear to prevent the member from getting posted such as a medical condition they have hidden then a recovery clause could also be included. The fine details would be up to the lawyers to work out.
 
There used to be card printers and they are not really expensive.
Thoroughly bewildered now.
This is a reason I support the graduated pay rates based on tiers - 1 post me anywhere, 2 post within Canada, 3 don't post me. If you select 1 then you don't get to back out when posted to the middle east. Select 2 and you don't get to back out when posted. Have a set period for changing your selections. Also need the standard "this is not a 100% that you will not be posted. If a tier is fully posted then members from next tier will be selected from". If something did magically appear to prevent the member from getting posted such as a medical condition they have hidden then a recovery clause could also be included. The fine details would be up to the lawyers to work out.
A bump to the next tier's pay for the duration of the "sorry, reached down" posting would make sense.
 
Another way to put that equipment target is that it is 0.4% of GDP for kit.
If we were hitting 20% of out current defence expenditure for equipment, it would still only be 0.27% of GDP.

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15% of 1.33% is 0.2% of GDP

Capital acquisitions need to double to meet the minimum standards.
 
You folks are so screwed.
Honest question: What will NATO do? Would they kick Canada out when faced with a potential hot war with Russia? The optics to NATO of that would be horrible, especially since we were one of the founding members.

Even if we don’t contribute much by GDP percentage, the actual amount is on the higher side of the alliance. I think @daftandbarmy posted it a while ago.

I also find it interesting that some of the folks who think we’re giving too much to Ukraine (which also benefits Canadian companies, but UKR is effectively doing a NATO job by proxy) are also the same folks arguing that we need to meet the 2% GDP set by…NATO.
 
Show our smug political class just how meaningless and limited our "soft power" really is by excluding us from just about everything else that isn't a signed treaty.
But we already have the Canada-EU agreement for trade. And NAFTA.

We also have a bunch of potash (for example) for fertilizer and water. Another one of Peter Zeihan’s videos (I listen to him a lot in the car) mentions that the US imports 93% of its potash from Canada. The top 5 producers are Canada (by a wide margin), Russia, Belarus, China, and Germany/Israel neck and neck. NATO countries aren’t going to import from Russia or Belarus, and probably not from China.

Canada also doesn’t net import food. We can’t say the same about the UK.
 
But we already have the Canada-EU agreement for trade. And NAFTA.

We also have a bunch of potash (for example) for fertilizer and water. Another one of Peter Zeihan’s videos (I listen to him a lot in the car) mentions that the US imports 93% of its potash from Canada. The top 5 producers are Canada (by a wide margin), Russia, Belarus, China, and Germany/Israel neck and neck. NATO countries aren’t going to import from Russia or Belarus, and probably not from China.

Canada also doesn’t net import food. We can’t say the same about the UK.
Trade isn't soft power. Being part of each of the various crowds and having a voice that is occasionally heeded is soft power. Canada has the US's bad habit of moralizing, only worse, and between that and what must look to external observers like military decline, we're losing whatever influence we had. "We punched above our weight in WWII" isn't worth anything any more, except platitudes from a handful of grateful nations. However much we think we've declined with respect to our participation in various august groups, it's easy to guess that we haven't actually hit bottom yet and can decline some more.
 
You folks are so screwed.

Canada: when your government is looking over you like ;)

misery GIF
 
If everybody in NATO had been building stocks at the prescribed rates since 1989 (35 years ago) then there would be a surplus of kit on hand that NATO could be supplying to Ukraine.

The fact that we have nothing to supply, and apparently nobody else does, is reflective of us and our allies not keeping to the terms of the agreements in place.

NATO is supposed to be acting on our behalf. But it can't.
 
If everybody in NATO had been building stocks at the prescribed rates since 1989 (35 years ago) then there would be a surplus of kit on hand that NATO could be supplying to Ukraine.

The fact that we have nothing to supply, and apparently nobody else does, is reflective of us and our allies not keeping to the terms of the agreements in place.

NATO is supposed to be acting on our behalf. But it can't.
But the Cold War was over!

PSO/COIN .... wave of the future....

No possibility of conventional war ever again... Right? RIGHT?
 
If everybody in NATO had been building stocks at the prescribed rates since 1989 (35 years ago) then there would be a surplus of kit on hand that NATO could be supplying to Ukraine.

The fact that we have nothing to supply, and apparently nobody else does, is reflective of us and our allies not keeping to the terms of the agreements in place.

NATO is supposed to be acting on our behalf. But it can't.
But peace dividend!!! What baloney that was.
 
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