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Government hints at boosting Canada’s military spending

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I have long said that you could fund the CAF to 4 percent of GDP, but we would still lag behind in NATO and be much the same where we are.

It's never the money, it's politics. It's procedures. It's the pork-barreling in our defence spending that makes us a paper tiger in NATO.

My only hope in all of this for the CAF and the GoC, whatever the political stripe that may be, is that it will rouse them out of the "Peace Dividend" slumber. The world has been unstable since 1945. We have used geography, proximity, and association as a Defence Policy ever since. ICBMs don't care how close to the U.S. or how far from Russia/China we are.

Don't give us a dime more, but let us spend money on defence like it matters. The fact we follow the same rules for purchasing a fighter aircraft as we do for buying office furniture for a Service Canada office is disgraceful. Don't treat defense procurement as a stimulus package for Canadian Industry. There I said it.

We spend so much money, time, and effort trying to get that money to stay in Canada; be it by awarding contracts to companies with no capability to produce items without first "retooling" and"developing the production lines", or by hamstringing perfectly competent and competitive bidders by forcing the project to be made in St. Margaret de Poutain de Champignon, QC because the ruling government either lost the seat in the election, or won it with promises.

We spend so much money and staff hours jumping through TBS regulations that are great for other departments, but are terrible for defence procurement. Some items you have to sole source, because there are technologies and capabilities no one else makes. By doing the bid process, you get companies clamoring for a project they can't deliver on, but because they tick the bright boxes on the score sheet....

I truly and honestly belief we need to split from PSPC and legislate that its not beholden to TBS, only to the PBO/PCO. The guiding principles of this new Defence Procurement department should be "Off the shelf, from somewhere else" if there isn't an industry in Canada.

BOOTFORGEN has demonstrated how well we do when we are able to actually get what we need, instead of lining the pockets of a Canadian company that got lucky.

That, but with tanks, fighters, ships, weapons systems....
 
I am fully onside with your assessment. Pretty good little 22mins.

My only comment is that the conversation made no reference to the US National Guard. My understanding is that it is the Guard, together with the Army Corps of Engineers, more than FEMA, that bring physical assets and manpower to manage disasters. And that they are State Assets.

That ends up taking in the whole issue of provincial responsibilities and funding. FEMA is by and large a manager of Federal grants to address states of emergency. Those funds allow the States to call out their Guard to man the federally provided trucks, helicopters and Hercs.
 
He’s very much a product of our liberal school system.
I’m not sure if I should laugh along with KevinB, or sigh in sadness at how pathetic that is…

The fact that people still don’t know what a military is actually for at the end of the day, is jaw dropping.

It’s like this weird “awe inspiring stupid” that you’d think one would have to work long and hard to master, but rather just comes so naturally to some.

(Remember when that reporter from CTV went and covered CSOR & 427 SOAS during operations in northern Iraq, who kept asking what a .50 door gun was for? Like wtf do you think it’s for?)

Even if somebody is not familiar with history, surely to goodness people have at least heard about Russia invading Ukraine… that right there is a good example of what militaries are for…

Defending the nation against an attack, or attacking another nation.


Like watching ISIS spread like a wildfire for a little while, and western air power & SOF units putting a stop to that. What do they think our jets dropped? What do they think special forces do? 🤦🏼‍♂️

It was just over a decade ago we were fighting in Afghanistan in one of the busiest sectors in theatre, with Afghanistan related news stories being regular.

Sometimes we were racking up to 1000 enemy dead per month. (Notice how THAT didn't make the news…)


The fact that people are still shocked that the military, at the end of the day, is there to defeat the nation’s enemies is just crazy to me.

<rant over>
 
The fact that people are still shocked that the military, at the end of the day, is there to defeat kill the nation’s enemies is just crazy to me.

Not to put too fine a point on it...

Apparently we need to be more clear in our discussions.
 
I’m not sure if I should laugh along with KevinB, or sigh in sadness at how pathetic that is…

The fact that people still don’t know what a military is actually for at the end of the day, is jaw dropping.

It’s like this weird “awe inspiring stupid” that you’d think one would have to work long and hard to master, but rather just comes so naturally to some.

(Remember when that reporter from CTV went and covered CSOR & 427 SOAS during operations in northern Iraq, who kept asking what a .50 door gun was for? Like wtf do you think it’s for?)

Even if somebody is not familiar with history, surely to goodness people have at least heard about Russia invading Ukraine… that right there is a good example of what militaries are for…

Defending the nation against an attack, or attacking another nation.


Like watching ISIS spread like a wildfire for a little while, and western air power & SOF units putting a stop to that. What do they think our jets dropped? What do they think special forces do? 🤦🏼‍♂️

It was just over a decade ago we were fighting in Afghanistan in one of the busiest sectors in theatre, with Afghanistan related news stories being regular.

Sometimes we were racking up to 1000 enemy dead per month. (Notice how THAT didn't make the news…)


The fact that people are still shocked that the military, at the end of the day, is there to defeat the nation’s enemies is just crazy to me.

<rant over>

In general, the military tends to go out of its way to avoid civilians, most of whom have never met a CAF member let alone one in uniform, so we probably shouldn't be surprised at their lack of knowledge.

Viz - reflecting on discussions with senior people in my deep and dark past where I suggested things like: 'maybe we should invite the Mayor and councillors to the Annual Dinner/Cocktail Party/other event' only to be told that was ridiculous :)

Take that parochial attitude, times it by 'Canada wide', and I think you'll get an idea of the scale of the problem.
 
We used to be clear…when we were killing murderers and scum bags…

Geez man! Keep up! That was a couple of generations ago. (Funny how the generations are getting shorter even as the generations aren't generating anymore)


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Geez man! Keep up! That was a couple of generations ago. (Funny how the generations are getting shorter even as the generations aren't generating anymore)
Hunh? 10-15 years isn’t a “couple of generations…”
 
2003

Xers commanding Millenials who were raising Zeds who are now having Alphas -- Grandad...
Until Alphas are fighting, at most I’ll give you is one generation and that’s generous, and the date was 2005. 😉
 
The youngest pers I checked on an incoming DP1 Sigs was 2003. We're all getting super old.
 
The youngest pers I checked on an incoming DP1 Sigs was 2003. We're all getting super old.
Indeed. Back when Hillier made his famous comment, the youngest troops would have been ‘old’ Millenials.
 
Until Alphas are fighting, at most I’ll give you is one generation and that’s generous, and the date was 2005. 😉

I recall that generations used to be considered about 25 years. Now we're down to 15.

Baby - 0
Mummy - 15
Granny - 30
Great Granny - 45
GGG - 60
GGGG - 75
GGGGG - 90

Even Indiana doesn't crank them out that fast.
 
Not to put too fine a point on it...

Apparently we need to be more clear in our discussions.
Lack of clarity has become the key to success in politics, leadership, management, academia and just about every other endeavour, so I'm not surprised Galloway was surprised at the "blunt language" - he's not used to hearing it. Lack of clarity allows for wiggle room, so-called misinterpretations, and has less chance at offending anyone.

Anybody who doesn't know what the primary mandate of a military is - the 'A' in CAF in our case - should turn in any educational certificate they ever received. I would suggest they turn in their citizenship but I'm told they can't do that. Of course the military can do other things; firefighters get kittens out trees but nobody complains when they need a new million dollar aerial.
 
I’m not sure if I should laugh along with KevinB, or sigh in sadness at how pathetic that is…

The fact that people still don’t know what a military is actually for at the end of the day, is jaw dropping.
Conclusion: Canadians are retarded.
Easy to not care about a military when you are next to the largest one and have never been threatened with an invasion or attack.
 
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