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Government hints at boosting Canada’s military spending

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I have long said that you could fund the CAF to 4 percent of GDP, but we would still lag behind in NATO and be much the same where we are.

It's never the money, it's politics. It's procedures. It's the pork-barreling in our defence spending that makes us a paper tiger in NATO.

My only hope in all of this for the CAF and the GoC, whatever the political stripe that may be, is that it will rouse them out of the "Peace Dividend" slumber. The world has been unstable since 1945. We have used geography, proximity, and association as a Defence Policy ever since. ICBMs don't care how close to the U.S. or how far from Russia/China we are.

Don't give us a dime more, but let us spend money on defence like it matters. The fact we follow the same rules for purchasing a fighter aircraft as we do for buying office furniture for a Service Canada office is disgraceful. Don't treat defense procurement as a stimulus package for Canadian Industry. There I said it.

We spend so much money, time, and effort trying to get that money to stay in Canada; be it by awarding contracts to companies with no capability to produce items without first "retooling" and"developing the production lines", or by hamstringing perfectly competent and competitive bidders by forcing the project to be made in St. Margaret de Poutain de Champignon, QC because the ruling government either lost the seat in the election, or won it with promises.

We spend so much money and staff hours jumping through TBS regulations that are great for other departments, but are terrible for defence procurement. Some items you have to sole source, because there are technologies and capabilities no one else makes. By doing the bid process, you get companies clamoring for a project they can't deliver on, but because they tick the bright boxes on the score sheet....

I truly and honestly belief we need to split from PSPC and legislate that its not beholden to TBS, only to the PBO/PCO. The guiding principles of this new Defence Procurement department should be "Off the shelf, from somewhere else" if there isn't an industry in Canada.

BOOTFORGEN has demonstrated how well we do when we are able to actually get what we need, instead of lining the pockets of a Canadian company that got lucky.

That, but with tanks, fighters, ships, weapons systems....
 
Trudeau (plus the others) increasing the defence budget one cent will not get them one more vote. Period

Then add in all the other crap they take for truth about the world, the military and the future and that brings us to this point.

Trudeau Sr hated the military. You don't think his son thinks the way? But the hypocrite calls on the them the minute he has a problem with the FLQ. I'm sure Justin was not happy when he asked for the army to clear Ottawa of truckers and they said we can't.
 
"I continue to say, and will always say, that Canada is a reliable partner to NATO, [a] reliable partner around the world," Trudeau told reporters while entering the daily question period.

Isn't that just an admission of dishonesty and total disregard for the truth?
 
Trudeau (plus the others) increasing the defence budget one cent will not get them one more vote. Period
I think that hits the nail on the head.

Neither @daftandbarmy nor @Furniture are wrong. There are people at all strata of society that support the military and that do not think about it or dismiss it as a waste of effort.

What really runs the equation is priorities for spending. How much can you squeeze out of the electorate in the way of taxes and fees before alienating it and which project will generate the most votes for the party in question? Our geographic isolation makes security a far off risk that can be safely ignored while we spend on more direct benefits. Re-election, however, come on quickly and are a risk each time.

At the same time I take a look at the thread talking about civil service growth rising by 31%. That creates a great pool of full-time workers who compete for resources available. Any department which can boast x dollars will deliver y votes will get priority for funding and hence growth. Defence can't do that; especially with the screwed up procurement system except in tiny, discrete markets.

Defence itself is not a good example for the public. It is resource heavy and output poor and has siphoned off massive funds for the bloated and convoluted bureaucracy, which grows at the same rate as the civil service albeit in a more stealthy way.

I expect it will take the first Russian or Chinese drilling operation starting up in "our" Arctic before there is a wake-up call … and even then, I'm doubtful about how we'll respond, if at all.

I keep saying, defence needs to be credible in order to be an effective deterrent.

It's really too bad when the prime objective of any given political party is to gain or remain in power rather than to provide for the security of its nation's way of life. I despise the elder Trudeau but at least I can say he was generally bright, had a vision (several in fact) for the country , and had crises to deal with that took some talent to deal with. His son ain't that bright, has no visions, and is unable to deal with real crises (other than his scandals) Unfortunately he is gifted with an electorate that votes in its sleep and by opponents who are entirely incapable of galvanizing the nation to rise against him. We are our worst enemy.

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"I continue to say, and will always say, that Canada is a reliable partner to NATO, [a] reliable partner around the world," Trudeau told reporters while entering the daily question period.

Isn't that just an admission of dishonesty and total disregard for the truth?
You and I might call it "lieing".....

BTW are JT's eyes brown? Asking for a friend....
 
"I continue to say, and will always say, that Canada is a reliable partner to NATO, [a] reliable partner around the world," Trudeau told reporters while entering the daily question period.

Isn't that just an admission of dishonesty and total disregard for the truth?

In his defence he honestly believes that.

He thinks our Convening and giving Canada'sstamp of approval on international undertakings is enough. Plus there is that smug Canadian altitude that they need Canadian approval.

Plus there is a Canadian feeling that we don't have to do the dirty work. We let the Americans do it and besides the Americans want to do it too is the altitude. And then as a Canadian we get feel superior when things go wrong for the US. And we sew a maple leaf on the backpack and Europeans love us.

50 years of history classes at high school teaching Canadians are peacekeepers. This the result.
 
I’m not surprised at all that Trudeau never planned to increase spending levels. What does surprise me is that he has admitted it rather than his usual “kicking the can down the road“ routine. Mind you, NATO knows he’s a bum. The problem is, the people of Canada are still too kind in their assessments of him and what his government has done…or should I say, hasn’t done. Now that he’s shown his true colours, I hope the electorate finally votes him and his like-minded cronies out of office forever. While I don’t want to see the LPC destroyed I do think they need to be severely trounced, much like Kathleen Wynne’s liberals was on the receiving end of the voters’ anger.

I could suggest the LPC was destroyed. Whatever zombie critter that came to life under Youngster is not recognizably related to the party Stephen Harper beat.
 
If charisma is that thing that makes you want to puke every time he opens his mouth, then yes he has charisma.
He knows how to speak to quickly relate to people, I met him once, while in uniform before he was PM. Chatting to a group of soldiers, he quickly dove into a story about his brother going AWOL from course in gagetown, and only being discovered because their dad paid a visit to the base and wanted to see his son. He seems to have a story for every occasion, that quickly makes him relatable, and that is part of his weapon to win over Canadians.
 
I had to double check to make sure the article wasn't from The Onion.

Good luck wringing any extra money from our current illustrious leader "Because they’re asking for more than we are able to give right now”
Harper wasn't a whole lot better........I will be impressed with PP 1) if he can convince swing voters to vote for a "horrors".....a Tory and 2) if PP gets the big seat - if he actually fixes procurement and spends the needed dinero.
 
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