Government hints at boosting Canada’s military spending

I'll believe it when I see it.

 

[Fishbone Jones]

except when they tell him no and then it becomes a matter of a different perception

It's not gender specific. All one needs to do is disagree with him........then go to stores and get your body armour and update your CV. There is no winning with an authoritarian. In minor cases you may get away with chopping off your finger, but mostly it requires seppuku.

 

[OldSolduer]

except when they tell him no and then it becomes a matter of a different perception

A petty individual who has never been told "NO JUSTIN YOU CANNOT GET HANDSY WITH YOUNG WOMEN". We have a word for guys like him here and they are segregated for a reason.

 

[MilEME09]

except when they tell him no and then it becomes a matter of a different perception

Clearly you are experiencing him differently

 

[RangerRay]

Bingo!

Opinion: As security threats mount, the holes in Canada’s defences can no longer be ignored

The natural defences that long protected us having withered away, we seem incapable of replacing them with anything

www.theglobeandmail.com

 

[Happy Guy]

Interested Canadians and their Allies are still waiting for the Defence Policy update that was announced in the Canadian Federal Budget 2022

In Budget 2022 the Government of Canada committed to conduct a review of our defence policy Strong, Secure, Engaged (SSE) in order to update it for a world that has become less secure and less predictable.

I think that we already know what this gov't will say. It will make noise about the following:

• the current unstable international environment
• climate change threats
• indirect and direct threats to Canada's interest, national defence and security
• make grandiose statements about upgrading and improving the CAF's ability to deter these threats
• make grand announcements about capital equipment purchases that are already in place: J35 fighters; NSSP; Aurora replacement - Boeing buy; Armoured Combat Support Vehicle (ACSV); Medium Support Vehicle System (MSVS) and so forth
• reforming national procurement program to make more responsive (this actually has been going on since I first heard Mr. Alan Williams talk about it when he was ADM(MAT in 1999 until 2005(?).
• solve the recruiting and retention crisis
• solve the sexual harassment problem
• make grandiose statements like Canada's strong commitment to national defence, NORAD and NATO
  • participation to train and equipment UKR
  • participation in Latvia
  • rearmament of the CAF to replace weapons, vehicles and material donated to UKR
  • NORAD modernization funding

It then will make further statements like future equipment requirements (long range patrol submarine, development of war stocks / reserves and so forth) without attaching any commitment (political or financial) or intention to buy. This will be hidden in political speak to make like the gov't will buy, much like the language it uses for reaching 2% of GDP for defence spending.

Bottom line:

• no massive increase in baseline funding
• no significant procurement policy / regulation changes to make the system more responsive and effective unless the gov't orders TSB to find solutions
• no massive increase in the modernization and the rearmament of the CAF
• no major investment to personnel to resolve recruitng, retention and quality of life challenges

 

[Rifleman62]

How did you get an advanced copy?

 

[CBH99]

A petty individual who has never been told "NO JUSTIN YOU CANNOT GET HANDSY WITH YOUNG WOMEN". We have a word for guys like him here and they are segregated for a reason.

Sophie probably also had a word for guys like him, but then remembered she had a mug in her hand and just said..."Ah, fuck it!"

 

[YZT580]

Bingo!

Opinion: As security threats mount, the holes in Canada’s defences can no longer be ignored

The natural defences that long protected us having withered away, we seem incapable of replacing them with anything

www.theglobeandmail.com

a liberal knows that he has reached bottom when even the Globe calls him out

 

[RangerRay]

a liberal knows that he has reached bottom when even the Globe calls him out

The Globe has been very critical of the Liberals for a few years now. Along with Sam Cooper, they have been at the forefront of the foreign interference story.

 

[quadrapiper]

Interested Canadians and their Allies are still waiting for the Defence Policy update that was announced in the Canadian Federal Budget 2022



I think that we already know what this gov't will say. It will make noise about the following:

• the current unstable international environment
• climate change threats
• indirect and direct threats to Canada's interest, national defence and security
• make grandiose statements about upgrading and improving the CAF's ability to deter these threats
• make grand announcements about capital equipment purchases that are already in place: J35 fighters; NSSP; Aurora replacement - Boeing buy; Armoured Combat Support Vehicle (ACSV); Medium Support Vehicle System (MSVS) and so forth
• reforming national procurement program to make more responsive (this actually has been going on since I first heard Mr. Alan Williams talk about it when he was ADM(MAT in 1999 until 2005(?).
• solve the recruiting and retention crisis
• solve the sexual harassment problem
• make grandiose statements like Canada's strong commitment to national defence, NORAD and NATO
  • participation to train and equipment UKR
  • participation in Latvia
  • rearmament of the CAF to replace weapons, vehicles and material donated to UKR
  • NORAD modernization funding

It then will make further statements like future equipment requirements (long range patrol submarine, development of war stocks / reserves and so forth) without attaching any commitment (political or financial) or intention to buy. This will be hidden in political speak to make like the gov't will buy, much like the language it uses for reaching 2% of GDP for defence spending.

Bottom line:

• no massive increase in baseline funding
• no significant procurement policy / regulation changes to make the system more responsive and effective unless the gov't orders TSB to find solutions
• no massive increase in the modernization and the rearmament of the CAF
• no major investment to personnel to resolve recruitng, retention and quality of life challenges

Does anyone have a window into how much of a headless chicken affair writing / developing / etc. the Update is?

Second, feels like a commitment to tanks would be a tell that someone's actually paying attention to the file.

 

[FJAG]

Bingo!

Opinion: As security threats mount, the holes in Canada’s defences can no longer be ignored

The natural defences that long protected us having withered away, we seem incapable of replacing them with anything

www.theglobeandmail.com

damn paywall.

 

[MilEME09]

We have so far increased production of 155mm by 2k a month. Not bad, Interesting bit that we found that howitzer ammo in Ukraine isn't 100% interchangeable

Replenishing locks, stocks and smoking barrels | Canadian Army Today

canadianarmytoday.com

 

[GR66]

We have so far increased production of 155mm by 2k a month. Not bad, Interesting bit that we found that howitzer ammo in Ukraine isn't 100% interchangeable

Replenishing locks, stocks and smoking barrels | Canadian Army Today

canadianarmytoday.com

To put that into context...from the article:

There is a movement afoot to invest significantly in the munition supply program, to ramp up our production of 155 ammunition in particular, to the point that we are working with the United States to establish a North American industrial base, to augment what the Americans are doing. I can’t say much more than that, but we have already made one investment. We were producing 3,000 rounds a month, we’re now up to 5,000 rounds a month, and we’re looking at going well beyond that.

Meanwhile in the real world...

https://www.cnn.com/2023/09/17/europe/ukraine-shell-supplies-intl/index.html#:~:text=Amid%20their%20counteroffensive%2C%20Ukrainian%20guns,to%20shoot%20more%20than%2010%2C000.

Amid their counteroffensive, Ukrainian guns are firing up to 6,000 rounds daily, Ukrainian MP Oleksandra Ustinova told CNN, but the military wants to shoot more than 10,000. Even that is a fraction of the 60,000 shells that Russia was using at the peak of its barrages this year, per an Estonian and Ukrainian government analysis.

 

[Maxman1]

For MSVS replacement, the smart move would be just buy 5 ton FMTVs, since those are basically the same as the HLVW, and have an armour package.

So obviously we won't do that.

 

[Fishbone Jones]

Hmm. Firing up a North America manufacturing base for 155 shells.

Just when Ukraine is complaining about a shortage.

 

[Fabius]

Replenishing locks, stocks and smoking barrels | Canadian Army Today

canadianarmytoday.com

MGen Dundon may be content with the CA ammunition situation but I don’t think it’s the correct assessment nor does much of the army.

There is some good news in the article about how we could do procurement if we allow it and follow through but there is some concerning items as well. 84mm Carl G for example, why would you be looking at other manufacturers and other systems when you could just order 2000 new M4s with Aimpoint FCS?

In terms of M777 and Leo I just see indecision and paralysis on the part of the CA and the CAF.
The UK has already started to replace donated artillery with Swedish Archers and are experimenting with them.

 

[OldSolduer]

For MSVS replacement, the smart move would be just buy 5 ton FMTVs, since those are basically the same as the HLVW, and have an armour package.

So obviously we won't do that.

No but we have - the CAF and GoC that is - have other more urgent priorities. Readiness is not one of them, nor is properly equipping the military.

 

[MilEME09]

No but we have - the CAF and GoC that is - have other more urgent priorities. Readiness is not one of them, nor is properly equipping the military.

Last time that was a priority was 1950

 

[Kirkhill]

MGen Dundon may be content with the CA ammunition situation but I don’t think it’s the correct assessment nor does much of the army.

There is some good news in the article about how we could do procurement if we allow it and follow through but there is some concerning items as well. 84mm Carl G for example, why would you be looking at other manufacturers and other systems when you could just order 2000 new M4s with Aimpoint FCS?

In terms of M777 and Leo I just see indecision and paralysis on the part of the CA and the CAF.
The UK has already started to replace donated artillery with Swedish Archers and are experimenting with them.

Yeah. I caught that.

Carl Gustaf rocket launchers are another piece of equipment that isn’t fabricated anymore, so we are looking at more modern systems from multiple firms.

Apparently Saab Bofors Dynamics has ceased production of the Carl Gustaf. Or do they just not want to sell to Kanada?

Carl-Gustaf Recoilless Multi-Purpose Weapon System

The Carl-Gustaf® system is an unparalleled and supremely successful solution to the challenges faced by ground forces. The man-portable, multi-role weapon system allows dismounted soldiers to deal with multiple challenges on the modern battlefield.

www.saab.com

FMG.

Dindon.

 

[KevinB]

Yeah. I caught that.



Apparently Saab Bofors Dynamics has ceased production of the Carl Gustaf. Or do they just not want to sell to Kanada?

Carl-Gustaf Recoilless Multi-Purpose Weapon System

The Carl-Gustaf® system is an unparalleled and supremely successful solution to the challenges faced by ground forces. The man-portable, multi-role weapon system allows dismounted soldiers to deal with multiple challenges on the modern battlefield.

www.saab.com

FMG.

Dindon.

Just stopped making obsolete ones. Historically Canada does its best to buy what was already in the system.