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Government hints at boosting Canada’s military spending

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I have long said that you could fund the CAF to 4 percent of GDP, but we would still lag behind in NATO and be much the same where we are.

It's never the money, it's politics. It's procedures. It's the pork-barreling in our defence spending that makes us a paper tiger in NATO.

My only hope in all of this for the CAF and the GoC, whatever the political stripe that may be, is that it will rouse them out of the "Peace Dividend" slumber. The world has been unstable since 1945. We have used geography, proximity, and association as a Defence Policy ever since. ICBMs don't care how close to the U.S. or how far from Russia/China we are.

Don't give us a dime more, but let us spend money on defence like it matters. The fact we follow the same rules for purchasing a fighter aircraft as we do for buying office furniture for a Service Canada office is disgraceful. Don't treat defense procurement as a stimulus package for Canadian Industry. There I said it.

We spend so much money, time, and effort trying to get that money to stay in Canada; be it by awarding contracts to companies with no capability to produce items without first "retooling" and"developing the production lines", or by hamstringing perfectly competent and competitive bidders by forcing the project to be made in St. Margaret de Poutain de Champignon, QC because the ruling government either lost the seat in the election, or won it with promises.

We spend so much money and staff hours jumping through TBS regulations that are great for other departments, but are terrible for defence procurement. Some items you have to sole source, because there are technologies and capabilities no one else makes. By doing the bid process, you get companies clamoring for a project they can't deliver on, but because they tick the bright boxes on the score sheet....

I truly and honestly belief we need to split from PSPC and legislate that its not beholden to TBS, only to the PBO/PCO. The guiding principles of this new Defence Procurement department should be "Off the shelf, from somewhere else" if there isn't an industry in Canada.

BOOTFORGEN has demonstrated how well we do when we are able to actually get what we need, instead of lining the pockets of a Canadian company that got lucky.

That, but with tanks, fighters, ships, weapons systems....
 
Over all, from a CAF perspective, I think there is more good news than bad in the latest trends. This tide is a rising tide and it will lift all boats.

Digging the CAF out of this mess will take a decade or more. There are no quick fixes, which the government is willing to make, on retention and the support structure.
 
Digging the CAF out of this mess will take a decade or more. There are no quick fixes, which the government is willing to make, on retention and the support structure.

The CAF management is a problem.

Money is necessary.

More important is a government policy that survives the change in parties.
 
More from the Angus Reid version of the numbers ....
 
The CAF management is a problem.

Money is necessary.

More important is a government policy that survives the change in parties.
We could spend 10% of our gdp on defense. With our current management, we would then have ten divisions on paper, 3 Corps, 2 army group HQs on paper. Actually have the forces still fir a single division. Why? That's our mentality, everything needs it's own HQ to manage it, and that HQ must be a colonel or higher. Heaven forbid a HQ manages multiple things.
 
Like anything, at least we're being talked about.

I think with all the bad press, Canadians are realizing that the CAF's issues are not strictly related to "post-COVID recovery" or "harmful sexual misconduct/culture change." We have gradually seen our Armed Forces gutted or rust out for the past 30-40 years and its come to roost.

It may have been seen as being hawkish 5 or 10 years ago to suggest we needed a stronger defence and foreign policy in Canada. Post 22 Feb 2022... national Pharmacare, geography, and previous International Rules Based alliances aren't protecting us from Russian, Chinese, or Iranian threats abroad or domestically.

Canadians now are horrified to think what would happen if Kherson was Calgary, Odessa was Halifax, or Bakhmut was Smalltown Anywhere, Canada. The realization that we have zero ability to provide continental defence if the U.S. walked away from NORAD is a terrifying threat now coming to consciousness in Canadian society. Its 20 years too late, but its a start and hopefully becomes a platform issue for Election 2025.
 
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Base housing upgrades/expansion would be a no-brainer for the government I'd think. Would count toward our 2% GDP commitment. Spending would be 100% Canadian industry. Would aid in retention. Would relieve housing pressure on neighbouring communities. Wins for everybody.
Precisely why it won't happen with this government.

Makes WAY TOO MUCH SENSE
 
And each one of them has his own CWO, a herd of Cols, LCols, Maj etc etc. ...

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Well yes and no, at least in Canada.

A 3 or 4-star? Definitely.

A 2-star? Sure.

Some of the 1-stars will have a Maj or a Capt EA if they aren’t in a Command position. Unlikely to have anybody else.

I can’t say for sure about other countries.

Also, looking (obviously too far) back at this meme, the CAF to USMC similarities sort of end once you go beyond “the USMC has this many people”. The USMC doesn’t have its own medical pers - those are the USN. The USMC doesn’t even crew the ships they sail in - again, those are the USN.

But hey, why bring “facts” and “context” into memes, right?
 
Well yes and no, at least in Canada.

A 3 or 4-star? Definitely.

A 2-star? Sure.

Some of the 1-stars will have a Maj or a Capt EA if they aren’t in a Command position. Unlikely to have anybody else.

I can’t say for sure about other countries.

Also, looking (obviously too far) back at this meme, the CAF to USMC similarities sort of end once you go beyond “the USMC has this many people”. The USMC doesn’t have its own medical pers - those are the USN. The USMC doesn’t even crew the ships they sail in - again, those are the USN.

But hey, why bring “facts” and “context” into memes, right?

Meanwhile, ARes Bde Comd's be like... :)

Matt And Kim People GIF by GOV BALL NYC
 
Well yes and no, at least in Canada.

A 3 or 4-star? Definitely.

A 2-star? Sure.

Some of the 1-stars will have a Maj or a Capt EA if they aren’t in a Command position. Unlikely to have anybody else.

I can’t say for sure about other countries.

Also, looking (obviously too far) back at this meme, the CAF to USMC similarities sort of end once you go beyond “the USMC has this many people”. The USMC doesn’t have its own medical pers - those are the USN. The USMC doesn’t even crew the ships they sail in - again, those are the USN.

But hey, why bring “facts” and “context” into memes, right?
Ships tend to have dramatically different ratios of O:E than ground forces, but nothing like the Air Forces.

A better comparison would be perhaps looking at all the officer ranks on those forces, and seeing how they all stack in comparison.

When looking at GOFO ratios, the pyramids for various services are usually all quite different.
 
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