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Government hints at boosting Canada’s military spending
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KevinB
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Patricia’s don’t know what a proper uniform looks like anyway… so jokes on you.
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It's not the properness of the uniform but the identity of the "actor" (high school drama teacher?) wearing the marguerite cap badge that could provoke ire.
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Oh. I didn’t recognize him without the black face.
But maybe not needed? My understanding is the funding for these comes from the Defence of the Arctic component of the budget, and would not be considered expeditionary assets, but limited to patrolling in the North. The GlobalEye reputedly has an endurance of 11 hours, so AAR may not be strictly necessary. I agree it would be nice to have, however.
The GlobalEye is great for Europe where there's always an airfield 15 mins away. In Canada, even in the Arctic, you're creating a notable logistics burden by not having AAR. They means more fuel caching at more locations. If it can be avoided it should be.
In my books, AAR should be a mandatory requirement. But we'll see what the Air Requirements folks put out. Should be noted that a Global with conformal radars can be designed with AAR capabilities. This was offered for the NATO AEW competition:
L3Harris and ELTA Systems Expanding Partnership for Airborne Early Warning and Control Solutions
L3Harris Technologies and Israel Aerospace Industries’ ELTA Systems Group (ELTA) are expanding their teaming agreement to provide leading-edge, U.S. and NATO interoperable Airborne Early Warning and Control (AEW&C) solutions based on ELTA’s proven Conformal AEW, installed on a high-performance...
Maybe producing the Battle of the Admin Box with a focus on this local lad would be doable, if the Aussie Kokoda film is the template: Charles Ferguson Hoey - Wikipedia. incidentally, I now find myself reading everything on Slim, 14th Army and the Burma Campaign in general.Because: profit.
Alot of war movies bomb at the box office. Even US war movies, which would attract alot more viewers (money) than Canadian films.
10 Great War Movies That Bombed At The Box Office
Which must-see war movies bombed in theaters?screenrant.com
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a bit of aussie-canuck all though maybe not enough war?
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Thats why we have the RCR, to show them what proper is
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'Defeat into Victory' is a classic...
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a bit of aussie-canuck all though maybe not enough war?
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I enjoyed that movie. Lots of things that resonated. Grandad joined the RAF as a fitter. Mum's brother married a girl from Dauphin. Lot of time servicing the dairies in the Manitoba. Brother in law's dad was a BCATP pilot instructor.... yada yada. Great cinematography.
One quibble. Crowe's a Kiwi.
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No better role model in my opinion. He and his Forgotten Army had to make do. They didn't have the benefit of the latest and best from the anybody's factories.
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Like the Lee Grants. Instantly obsolete when the Sherman came out, but better than anything Mutaguchi had. Battle winner at Imphal/Kohima after the DC3s.
Not sure if you listen to the Pilot Project podcast, but they had a 3-part interview with Chris McKenna a couple of weeks ago. In part 3, he mentioned a few interesting things about the future AEW aircraft. He talked a mid-2030s target date (although I don't know if that's supposed to be IOC or what) and a fleet size of around 6-8 aircraft. He also said sensor acuity and AAR would be key requirements. I think he was making the same as you -- that there's a scarcity of fuel at FOBs like Inuvik, so he believes the plane will need AAR to conduct patrols in the far north.The GlobalEye is great for Europe where there's always an airfield 15 mins away. In Canada, even in the Arctic, you're creating a notable logistics burden by not having AAR. They means more fuel caching at more locations. If it can be avoided it should be.
In my books, AAR should be a mandatory requirement. But we'll see what the Air Requirements folks put out. Should be noted that a Global with conformal radars can be designed with AAR capabilities. This was offered for the NATO AEW competition:
L3Harris and ELTA Systems Expanding Partnership for Airborne Early Warning and Control Solutions
L3Harris Technologies and Israel Aerospace Industries’ ELTA Systems Group (ELTA) are expanding their teaming agreement to provide leading-edge, U.S. and NATO interoperable Airborne Early Warning and Control (AEW&C) solutions based on ELTA’s proven Conformal AEW, installed on a high-performance...www.l3harris.com
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Why can’t we use both the E7 and GlobalEye. 4 of Each.
That's sacrificing commonality efficiencies for little value in differentiation. The GlobalEye has worse performance than the Wedgetail. So it's not clear what we're doing that for.
Also, those aren't the only two options. As I posted above, L3 Harris bid a Global with an Elbit Conformal radar for the NATO competition:
L3Harris Unveils Global 6500 CAEW For NATO E-3 Replacement | Aviation Week Network
L3Harris plans to transfer a mission system integrated on the out-of-production Gulfstream G550 to the military version of the Bombardier Global 6500.
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Israel, Italy and Singapore already use this radar on a Gulfstream. The US will be joining them. This proposal would be AAR capable and at least match the GlobalEye sensor performance. Would probably exceed it.
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Missed this. Will listen. But I agree. AAR and next gen sensors have to be high on the list. Even the Wedgetail radar is getting old now.
We also hopefully get something like the Australian Peregrine to replace MAISR eventually:
Australia’s Future MC-55A Peregrine Aircraft are Now Sporting RAAF Markings During New Tests
The MC-55A Peregrine is part of Australia’s effort to strengthen ISR and EW capabilities with airborne electronic attack and SIGINT capabilities
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Would be nice to see a wing of Globals at YOW with a squadron is CAEW, a squadron of Peregrines and a squadron of VVIP Globals.
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Carrying over a thought from the Indirect Fires Modernization thread about onshoring key munitions production to Canada and building up safe production facilities and stockpiles for use by both ourselves and our NATO allies in a conflict. Essentially taking some pressure off the US as the arsenal for NATO or if required to some limited extent replacing them in that role in a conflict in which they are not involved.
If we could get over our reflexive anti-Americanism reaction to Trump and his cronies and take a longer term view I think it would be ideal to partner with Raytheon Canada to build a missile and systems production facility in Canada.
Raytheon produces the following systems that we currently use or might potentially use in the future:
These missiles are also used extensively by all our NATO (and non-NATO) allies and building up a significant stock of these key munitions that could be drawn on by our allies in a conflict could be a significant contribution toward our goal of 3% of GDP without adding additional infrastructure or personnel stress on the CAF. It would also have the benefit of bringing high-tech jobs and manufacturing to Canada.
If we could get over our reflexive anti-Americanism reaction to Trump and his cronies and take a longer term view I think it would be ideal to partner with Raytheon Canada to build a missile and systems production facility in Canada.
Raytheon produces the following systems that we currently use or might potentially use in the future:
- AIM-9X (CF-18, F-35 and NASAMS)
- AIM-120 AMRAAM (CF-18, F-35, NASAMS, Aegis Ashore)
- RIM-162 ESSM Block II (River-class, NASAMS, Aegis Ashore)
- RIM-116 RAM (River-class)
- RIM-66 SM-2 (River-class, Aegis Ashore)
- RIM-161 SM-3 (River-class, Aegis Ashore)
- RIM-174 SM-6 (River-class, Aegis Ashore, planned for F-35)
- Naval Strike Missile (River-class, Aegis Ashore, P-8, planned for F-35)
- Tomahawk Land Attack Cruise Missile (River-class)
- FIM-92 Stinger (M-SHORAD)
- FGM-148 Javelin (possible LAV-AT, dismounted)
- NASAMS AD system
- Patriot AD system
These missiles are also used extensively by all our NATO (and non-NATO) allies and building up a significant stock of these key munitions that could be drawn on by our allies in a conflict could be a significant contribution toward our goal of 3% of GDP without adding additional infrastructure or personnel stress on the CAF. It would also have the benefit of bringing high-tech jobs and manufacturing to Canada.
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