Government hints at boosting Canada’s military spending

I'll believe it when I see it.

 

[McG]

LUV project is deathly afraid of re-opening its scope to include LSVW platforms that LVM-L will not properly address. Our procurement system is not agile and relies upon a lot of documentation and approval gateways. If the project cannot rewrite its documentation quick enough and then get through the approval gateways quick enough, then everything LUV will be years delayed.

 

[FJAG]

It's 2 ½ ton, which is the lightest Mercedes offers it. It's more of an MLVW replacement.

We need something in the ¾ to 5/4 ton range for the G-Wagen, Milcot and LSVW.

I agree. And quite a few can be unarmored.

Here's a thought. The US Army is cutting back on JTLVs in exchange for more, and cheaper, ISVs. Why not take the two-pax version as a utility vehicle?

There's also a 4 and 5-pax version.

And for the places where armour is an absolute necessity, well . . . there seems to be lots of spare JTLV production available and there is always this line by some local folks:

This is not a hard problem.

 

[daftandbarmy]

I agree. And quite a few can be unarmored.

Here's a thought. The US Army is cutting back on JTLVs in exchange for more, and cheaper, ISVs. Why not take the two-pax version as a utility vehicle?

There's also a 4 and 5-pax version.

And for the places where armour is an absolute necessity, well . . . there seems to be lots of spare JTLV production available and there is always this line by some local folks:

This is not a hard problem.

Nice looking truck!

 

[FJAG]

Nice looking truck!

The first two are ISV options. The third one is a Senator option. In line with the issues up-thread, there are medical evacuation versions of each.

 

[MilEME09]

The first two are ISV options. The third one is a Senator option. In line with the issues up-thread, there are medical evacuation versions of each.

The way it's going LUV phase 2 will pretty much fill the size the LSVW was, everything keeps getting bigger. Hopefully with budget increases we get a crab ton more vehicles then we originally planned.

 

[McG]

The way it's going LUV phase 2 will pretty much fill the size the LSVW was, everything keeps getting bigger. Hopefully with budget increases we get a crab ton more vehicles then we originally planned.

Scope increases take project time in addition to more money. Would you accept a 2 year delay in LUV so that the scope can be rewritten, re-approved, re-costed, and then funded to include some replacements for LSVW variants?

 

[MilEME09]

Scope increases take project time in addition to more money. Would you accept a 2 year delay in LUV so that the scope can be rewritten, re-approved, re-costed, and then funded to include some replacements for LSVW variants?

LUV phase 2 was already split as a seperate contract, DND is already looking to just add numbers to existing contracts to help hit 2%. Amb varients might be out of scope and require a new contract but just increase say the cargo varient is easier.

 

[McG]

LUV phase 2 was already split as a seperate contract, DND is already looking to just add numbers to existing contracts to help hit 2%. Amb varients might be out of scope and require a new contract but just increase say the cargo varient is easier.

Unfortunately, it is not as simple as throwing money at a named project. Adding new variants to scope sends a project back to seek options analysis phase approvals, with all the documentation and approval gateways that are associated with that. The project would likely be sent back to the Independent Review Panel, which will add months even after internal DND gateways are achieved. Then you are probably losing another year to get new industry costing for variants that were not previously considered in order to cost accuracy to satisfy the subsequent reviewers and gateways for funding approval.

If it is really important, it can be done with the application of additional experienced project staff and general officer engagement to jump queues in the approval gateways. But even then the risk of significant delay remains. There is currently no easy button, and finding manufactures with suitable products is never the critical path. So the question remains, are you ready to risk a multi-year delay in LUVW replacement for the sake of also getting some better suited LSVW replacements?

 

[Colin Parkinson]

Canada needs a "Buy local truck plan" It will be a bit like NSS (hopefully learning some lessons) We buy a limited number of vehicles a year from each approved manufacturer and we only keep them for 10 years, surplussing them and replacing with newer designs.

 

[MilEME09]

Unfortunately, it is not as simple as throwing money at a named project. Adding new variants to scope sends a project back to seek options analysis phase approvals, with all the documentation and approval gateways that are associated with that. The project would likely be sent back to the Independent Review Panel, which will add months even after internal DND gateways are achieved. Then you are probably losing another year to get new industry costing for variants that were not previously considered in order to cost accuracy to satisfy the subsequent reviewers and gateways for funding approval.

If it is really important, it can be done with the application of additional experienced project staff and general officer engagement to jump queues in the approval gateways. But even then the risk of significant delay remains. There is currently no easy button, and finding manufactures with suitable products is never the critical path. So the question remains, are you ready to risk a multi-year delay in LUVW replacement for the sake of also getting some better suited LSVW replacements?

Really it boils down to then is once again we need procurement reform to get what we need

 

[Maxman1]

The LUV is basically a modern version of the Iltis.

Maybe we could take a 1 ton Silverado chassis and have someone build a military truck body on top.

Though, it will probably be great for some MLVW tasks that the MSVS is too monstrous to do.

By pure accident, it's an excellent MLVW replacement. The smart move would be to select a 5-8 ton 6x6 Zetros to eventually replace the MSVS.

 

[dapaterson]

Really it boils down to then is once again we need procurement reform to get what we need

Every gate reflects a problem that is now "fixed".

 

[KevinB]

The LUV is basically a modern version of the Iltis.

Maybe we could take a 1 ton Silverado chassis and have someone build a military truck body on top.

GM has their LUV that does basically exactly that.

By pure accident, it's an excellent MLVW replacement. The smart move would be to select a 5-8 ton 6x6 Zetros to eventually replace the MSVS.

You and your logic.

 

[Dana381]

GM has their LUV that does basically exactly that.

All I can picture when I see GM LUV

Chevrolet LUV - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

 

[quadrapiper]

All I can picture when I see GM LUV

Chevrolet LUV - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

A bunch of those wouldn't be the worst thing for non-green settings: fill that step between "Gator" and "vast crew-cab."

 

[MilEME09]

GM has their LUV that does basically exactly that.

Ford has a decent looking offering too

 

[McG]

Every gate reflects a problem that is now "fixed".

We need a Wayne’s Word reaction emoji, because only laugh, cry, and hurl are sufficient to acknowledge that truism.

 

[dapaterson]

We need a Wayne’s Word reaction emoji, because only laugh, cry, and hurl are sufficient to acknowledge that truism.

And then someone finds a new way to fuck up magnificently.

"What if we converted 50hz to 60hz? No way for things to go sideways!"

 

[McG]

And then someone finds a new way to fuck up magnificently.

"What if we converted 50hz to 60hz? No way for things to go sideways!"

I mean, it is possible to build a grid that supports both but you are going to be disappointed if you think that duality should exist down to each outlet.

 

[dapaterson]

I mean, it is possible to build a grid that supports both but you are going to be disappointed if you think that duality should exist down to each outlet.

Systems integration into other 60hz systems is overrated.