Halifax Class vs Iroquois Class in rough seas
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Naval Boarding Party said:
Nice attitude. Guess you forgot that we are all part of the same big family. I agree some posts go off-topic, but to me, MCDVs could (and should) be added in to this to give an all-round view. And with you working at an NRD, I would hope that you would care enough to learn about the MCDVs. I am sure that the crew there are interested in your wealth of knowledge, how about being a part of theirs.
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You seem a little upset. Maybe you should vent your frustration under your own topic and see if like minded people share your view. I have seen your posts and it smacks of West Coast, Reserve infeiority complex. You know my opinion of the Naval Reserves. Your attack is unwarrented and out of line. No need to make accusations of attitudes! I simply pointed out the topic. Stick to the topic.
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We had a guy in the Coast Guard who got seasick almost every trip, we called him Duke the Puke, he hung in there and now is a Captain. So it can be done. We also had to put people ashore as they were so sick that they would have died if they stayed aboard. The worst vessel we had were the R class, 100’ long and responding to a SAR call off of Cape St James in winter time was really bad, literally walking on the bulkheads. Everybody was sick and not helped by the smell of fuel that was sloshing through the vents and fill pipes.
When we were out in same vessel searching for the CF-18 that went down off of Brooks peninsula on Vancouver Island. A Lab hoisted some poor Air Force buggers from Cold Lake onto our vessel. It wasn’t blowing bad but a nasty swell was still running. After we managed to get them on deck (without breaking them to badly) they immediately hurled and spent the rest of the search lying in the scuppers. Poor guys, imagine waking up at a nice comfy air force base in the morning, dangled from a helo onto a tiny, tossing ship and turn your guts out by late afternoon.
Take graval early as it tastes really bad on the way back up. I also agree that some boats affect different people differently a guy that could handle storms in a large ship, might lose it in a moderate blow on a smaller ship. There are very few people that won’t get sea-sick, one of the best cures I have found is sticking the person onto the wheel.
When we were out in same vessel searching for the CF-18 that went down off of Brooks peninsula on Vancouver Island. A Lab hoisted some poor Air Force buggers from Cold Lake onto our vessel. It wasn’t blowing bad but a nasty swell was still running. After we managed to get them on deck (without breaking them to badly) they immediately hurled and spent the rest of the search lying in the scuppers. Poor guys, imagine waking up at a nice comfy air force base in the morning, dangled from a helo onto a tiny, tossing ship and turn your guts out by late afternoon.
Take graval early as it tastes really bad on the way back up. I also agree that some boats affect different people differently a guy that could handle storms in a large ship, might lose it in a moderate blow on a smaller ship. There are very few people that won’t get sea-sick, one of the best cures I have found is sticking the person onto the wheel.
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Naval Boarding Party said:
Upset? You haven't begun to see the "upset" me yet. Although it's fast approaching that, especially with you hiding behind opsigs to belittle me. And yes, I know that you gave me an "out" too, but guess what, I'm answering anyway.
You don't care to have MCDVs talked about in this thread, but apparently, since you didn't mention them, it is okay to talk about the tanker (don't see that in the subject) or even sea-sickness (nope, don't see that in the subject either). MCDVs were brought up in this thread a week ago, and by a regular force member at that. In the span of the week, it has been touched on by others too, and nobody else seems concerned that it is in the thread. But I'm sure you will reply soon to tell all of them to "stick to the topic" as well. And hey, when you're done with this thread, I'm sure there are many others that have fallen off track and could use your assistance too.
You could have left your opinion of MCDVs completely out of your reply, but your comment about "don't care" was uncalled for. Attitude? Yes, I have one for sure and I'm sure many others will agree with me on that. Tough shit if you don't like it. I see things as I do, and say what is on my mind (although, this time, it required alot of editing). As for my "complex" that I supposedly have? Not even going to get into that, because I enjoy being a member of these boards, and if I continue on with the tone that I can see myself aiming towards, that won't be anymore.
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Opsigs are gay, even worse when used in chat. (Both Civie, and military chat <--sametime)
This rough sea stories are all the same and the discussions always end up the same you get guys talking about what is worse, or which guy had it the roughest!!
There are stories of the Montreal losing a gun turret, "perfect storm stories", hull slamming, acoustic tiles getting torn off, railings getting torn off, I have even witnessed a HF whip that had to be torn off because of rough weather, (IRO strong resolve 98 we had to tie a line to it and tear it off with the rhib)
And as always there is some guy who sailed on the MCDV who pipes up to tell his/her side and immediately gets stomped because MCDV's aren't real warships! *note* right navymich?! *elbow nudge* >
Rough weather is rough weather, we have all been there, if it is really rough being on a 280 or CPF isn't going to mean sh!t, but I will tell you that I wouldn't want to be on a MCDV. Like I said before "go deep".......D49........I know this is going against the thread, but a submarine on the surface in rough weather has all of you beat! D35 :skull:
Opsigs are gay, even worse when used in chat. (Both Civie, and military chat <--sametime)
This rough sea stories are all the same and the discussions always end up the same you get guys talking about what is worse, or which guy had it the roughest!!
There are stories of the Montreal losing a gun turret, "perfect storm stories", hull slamming, acoustic tiles getting torn off, railings getting torn off, I have even witnessed a HF whip that had to be torn off because of rough weather, (IRO strong resolve 98 we had to tie a line to it and tear it off with the rhib)
And as always there is some guy who sailed on the MCDV who pipes up to tell his/her side and immediately gets stomped because MCDV's aren't real warships! *note* right navymich?! *elbow nudge* >
Rough weather is rough weather, we have all been there, if it is really rough being on a 280 or CPF isn't going to mean sh!t, but I will tell you that I wouldn't want to be on a MCDV. Like I said before "go deep".......D49........I know this is going against the thread, but a submarine on the surface in rough weather has all of you beat! D35 :skull:
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Naval Boarding Party and navymich, back to your corners. This is ridiculous. I have said "I don't know and I don't care" about a million times in my life. You're arguing over nothing. Drop it.
Consider this a friendly nudge, next time it'll be Verbals all around.
Inch
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Consider this a friendly nudge, next time it'll be Verbals all around.
Inch
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Okay, okay. MCDV's....let me say a thing or two about Maritime Coastal Defence Vessels.
Ahem...Never sailed in them. Don't ever want to. My hat goes off to those that do. I understand that they are constantly used as training platforms and that it must be very difficult to greet new trainees, spend all your time and effort pumping out a better Sailor every trip and then never see many of them again. All that work with little opportunity to benefit and harness the skills of all the Sailors that you train. Been there myself a few times and have have even trained a number of Naval Reservists on Heavys. Admirable without argument.
Sub Guy. R D35. D36 Submariners Rock! :skull:
In my opinion. The Submarines win hands down. We know that they can go deep and get off the roof but having heard first hand accounts from many a Submariner, they rock and roll pretty good when the sail goes through the roof. (When they surface) They don't have much of a choice when the batteries get low and the air gets a little stale. (Oxygen candles can only give so much relief)
There you go folks, Submarines...unless we want to start counting assalt boats and Ridgid Hull Inflatable Boats (RHIBS) and Zodiacs.
Cheers
Ahem...Never sailed in them. Don't ever want to. My hat goes off to those that do. I understand that they are constantly used as training platforms and that it must be very difficult to greet new trainees, spend all your time and effort pumping out a better Sailor every trip and then never see many of them again. All that work with little opportunity to benefit and harness the skills of all the Sailors that you train. Been there myself a few times and have have even trained a number of Naval Reservists on Heavys. Admirable without argument.
Sub Guy. R D35. D36 Submariners Rock! :skull:
In my opinion. The Submarines win hands down. We know that they can go deep and get off the roof but having heard first hand accounts from many a Submariner, they rock and roll pretty good when the sail goes through the roof. (When they surface) They don't have much of a choice when the batteries get low and the air gets a little stale. (Oxygen candles can only give so much relief)
There you go folks, Submarines...unless we want to start counting assalt boats and Ridgid Hull Inflatable Boats (RHIBS) and Zodiacs.
Cheers
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Having sailed on 280s and 330s I definitely prefer the ride on the CPF.
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I only have Yukon and Algonquin (when it went West) experience to draw upon. When I arrived on the Yukon after my 3's course we set out for AWUPs to W601 in January. Everyone was saying how bad it would be, how sick I would be..etc. but never got seasick, ever. But also seen guys get sick as soon as we slipped.
The worst ride I ever had was on Algonquin when we left Diego to come home. Because of a storm it was decided to just race to the Straits. We had big swells cross beam so got used to making myself as flat as possible in my rack. According to my wife I still at times sleep like that (hard to describe but it worked). The day after we got to Vic I met my mom downtown and while waiting to cross the street I 'lurched'....had some odd looks but explained to her that after basically a month at sea didn't have my land legs back ;D
I really think getting seasick or not is something your born with, and there are degrees of it....outright hurling to just a headache, tiredness..that sort of thing. The upside is if you don't get seasick, the meal lines are very short.
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The worst ride I ever had was on Algonquin when we left Diego to come home. Because of a storm it was decided to just race to the Straits. We had big swells cross beam so got used to making myself as flat as possible in my rack. According to my wife I still at times sleep like that (hard to describe but it worked). The day after we got to Vic I met my mom downtown and while waiting to cross the street I 'lurched'....had some odd looks but explained to her that after basically a month at sea didn't have my land legs back ;D
I really think getting seasick or not is something your born with, and there are degrees of it....outright hurling to just a headache, tiredness..that sort of thing. The upside is if you don't get seasick, the meal lines are very short.
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NavyGirl280 said:My husband has been aboard the 280 his entire naval career. Everytime he sails, he wears a sea-sick patch. Not too sure how he would be without itAs stated many times before, the 280's are "top-heavy" thus making the sail a bit "interesting" for those who need to sew on their sea legs. Nevertheless, the ship is a grand one with a fine crew at that ;D
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Funny you say that, on this past trip there was one of the pay clerks with that patch on. She came for a ride with us on the Sea King and of course was questioned what the patch was for. She said sea sickness but that she had never sailed without it so really didn't know if she got sea sick or not. Seems to be the case with a lot of newbies on the ships, on with the patch before we slip and they never really know if they're medicating for nothing or if they really need it.
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Some people do medicate all the time and don't truely know if they require it or not.
For those people I'd advise that if you are going to sea and the weather is going to be nice, forgo the medication and see if you really need it or not.
For those people I'd advise that if you are going to sea and the weather is going to be nice, forgo the medication and see if you really need it or not.
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If I had to choose between Destroyer or Frigate. I would have to say Frigate. The Frigates don't have 13 mess! Gotta love the small mess decks on the Frigates. A whole lot easier to get around safely on the Frigates too.
There are a couple of "Death Racks" on the Destroyers. Anyone who has been down there can agree that if the action alarm goes off, you have a difficult time getting out of your rack, getting your action dress on and quickly extracating the mess to to your station. I have more than a few curse words were muttered trying to navigate fuel pumps and hatch combings on your way of of 12 or 13 mess on the ATH or IRO.
There are a couple of "Death Racks" on the Destroyers. Anyone who has been down there can agree that if the action alarm goes off, you have a difficult time getting out of your rack, getting your action dress on and quickly extracating the mess to to your station. I have more than a few curse words were muttered trying to navigate fuel pumps and hatch combings on your way of of 12 or 13 mess on the ATH or IRO.
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ACIGSkyler said:
They took a bunch of us Pongo's out on the Yukon, they made sure they stuck us in the forward mess, quite the feeling that you got with the rise and fall of the bow.
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My husband spent 4 years aboard a 280 out west and 2 years aboard a 330 out east.
He gets really sick, almost to the point of being chronic...well chronic on a 280.
He actually prefers the way the 330's move...for obvious reasons.
Anyways, he has tried everything out there available to combat his sea sickness and the only thing he has found that has worked are these things called sea bands. His mother saw them in the states somewhere and picked them up for him...and he loves them.
Sea Bands
Might be worth a shot for any of you out there that do get real sick.
He gets really sick, almost to the point of being chronic...well chronic on a 280.
He actually prefers the way the 330's move...for obvious reasons.
Anyways, he has tried everything out there available to combat his sea sickness and the only thing he has found that has worked are these things called sea bands. His mother saw them in the states somewhere and picked them up for him...and he loves them.
Sea Bands
Might be worth a shot for any of you out there that do get real sick.
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