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[brihard]

It's an 'overtime for all' week for the Old Bill... all the synagogues are being attended too, as are the big sporting events...

Oh, no doubt. Police can scale up relatively easily for a time by the simple expedient of haemorrhaging overtime. Courts, not so much.

 

[Kirkhill]

Reallly!!!?

Arabs co-operated with Israel in Gaza.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/2025/10/11/us-israel-arab-military-leaked-docum

 

[Kirkhill]

OK.

This is a Canadian focused observation referencing the protests.

Our liberalism is being exploited by our enemies.

In times gone by liberal society has acted illiberally to defend liberalism. In fact I argue that liberal enlightenment could not have happened without the illiberal Glorious Revolution of 1688 and the many illiberal impositions associated with it.

This site is populated by people that at various times have been licenced to act in the most illiberal way possible. Using your government issued gun while in uniform to take someone's life is a decidedly illiberal act.

....

All of this is to say that I think it is time, and past time, to act illiberally and assert governmental authority over seditious acts and individuals.

Sedition is clearly understood. Public disorder is clearly understood. Past time for giving benefit of the doubt.

Clear the streets.

 

[OldSolduer]

Clear the streets.

Water cannon, OC Spray and some ringleaders arrests and subsequent deportation if applicable.

Shit rats are not welcome - but those "liberal" types think otherwise.

 

[brihard]

All of this is to say that I think it is time, and past time, to act illiberally and assert governmental authority over seditious acts and individuals.

Sedition is clearly understood. Public disorder is clearly understood. Past time for giving benefit of the doubt.

Clear the streets.

Um, I must have missed it, but where is it that you contend we have protests teaching or advocating the use of unlawful force to overthrow our government?

 

[lenaitch]

OK.

This is a Canadian focused observation referencing the protests.

Our liberalism is being exploited by our enemies.

In times gone by liberal society has acted illiberally to defend liberalism. In fact I argue that liberal enlightenment could not have happened without the illiberal Glorious Revolution of 1688 and the many illiberal impositions associated with it.

This site is populated by people that at various times have been licenced to act in the most illiberal way possible. Using your government issued gun while in uniform to take someone's life is a decidedly illiberal act.

....

All of this is to say that I think it is time, and past time, to act illiberally and assert governmental authority over seditious acts and individuals.

Sedition is clearly understood. Public disorder is clearly understood. Past time for giving benefit of the doubt.

Clear the streets.

If you feel that law enforcement can use deadly force simply to stop "illiberal" acts you are misunderstanding the law.

Define 'public disorder". Should police be able to gun down students at the Queen's homecoming?

 

[Kirkhill]

Um, I must have missed it, but where is it that you contend we have protests teaching or advocating the use of unlawful force to overthrow our government?

I think chanting "Death to Canada" crosses my line.

 

[Kirkhill]

If you feel that law enforcement can use deadly force simply to stop "illiberal" acts you are misunderstanding the law.

Define 'public disorder". Should police be able to gun down students at the Queen's homecoming?

I think that we are overly nice in our concerns about ensuring that we maintain liberal values. The fact that Canada has an army and that its police are armed suggests to me that Canada recognizes a need to be able to act illiberally and to make a judgement that deprives an individual of life. Depriving people of liberty is also illiberal.

We have systems in place to manage those illiberal actions and to justify them but their existence suggests a continued recognition of their need.

My concern is that we spend so much time in debate that the period of inaction is exploited by those that do not wish us well.

Do I advocate turning guns on people for their words? No. Absolutely not.

For damage to property? No.

Assault? No.

I do think that law breakers like that should be forcefully confronted in a timely manner, and be seen to be forcefully confronted, and deprived of their liberty.

And if they are not Canadians returned to their point of origin and previous predicament.

 

[brihard]

I think chanting "Death to Canada" crosses my line.

That does not come remotely close to the legal definition of sedition in the Criminal Code. Shitty? Yes. But simply expressing that is not on its own illegal. Not even close. It could be evidence of a political or ideological motive if it were in conjunction with serious criminal/violent acts. Depending on circumstances that may or may not be legally significant.