Hamas invaded Israel 2023 Megathread

[brihard]

And thus I argue for parliamentary supremacy.

What are you talking about? The laws I’m referring to are the ones Parliament wrote. There’s not a deficiency in Parliamentary supremacy issue here that holds police back from violently cracking down on generally lawful protests.

 

[Kirkhill]

What are you talking about? The laws I’m referring to are the ones Parliament wrote. There’s not a deficiency in Parliamentary supremacy issue here that holds police back from violently cracking down on generally lawful protests.

When laws need changing I want parliament to be able to react in a timely manner in concert with the popular will.

 

[brihard]

When laws need changing I want parliament to be able to react in a timely manner in concert with the popular will.

They can. Parliament could table a bill tomorrow if it so chose, and have it passed in a week if the political support was there.

You don’t like what the law currently is and you don’t like what I’m telling you about what that means for our ability as police to do the things you want us to do. That doesn’t mean the system’s broken, it just means you don’t like the law. What you actually want here is the creation of new criminal offences to target behaviour you object to but that isn’t currently criminal.

 

[daftandbarmy]

They can. Parliament could table a bill tomorrow if it so chose, and have it passed in a week if the political support was there.

You don’t like what the law currently is and you don’t like what I’m telling you about what that means for our ability as police to do the things you want us to do. That doesn’t mean the system’s broken, it just means you don’t like the law. What you actually want here is the creation of new criminal offences to target behaviour you object to but that isn’t currently criminal.

Or 'special' laws to pander to the masses but don't add alot of useful tools to the shed...

 

[Kirkhill]

Mind I grew up in a time and place where singing "We're off to Dublin in the Green" was considered a seditious act and could land you in jail.

As could the wearing of a balaclava inappropriately.

I am aware of the vagaries of law. I am told there are places in Canada wherecthe law regulates the symbols I wear.

 

[Halifax Tar]

Mind I grew up in a time and place where singing "We're off to Dublin in the Green" was considered a seditious act and could land you in jail.

The Merry Ploughboy you mean

By the Rising of the Moon is another catchy tune.

And of course who can forget Come Out, Ye Black and Tans ?

 

[lenaitch]

When laws need changing I want parliament to be able to react in a timely manner in concert with the popular will.

Then you must be a fan of what is happening in the US. A democratically elected Executive and Congress that think it is okay to have its agents detain US citizens 'under they sort things out', feel that habeas corpus is optional, and that terms such as 'war' and 'insurrection' are, like your taglines, mean just what they choose them to mean, extra-judicial and international killings included. I'm not aware that any new laws have been enacted to enable much of this Administrations policy.

Maybe legislators in most democracies felt that, sometimes, politicians can't be trusted. The UK has traditionally taken the view that Parliament is sovereign, but their Supreme Court (which has only existed since 2009) has made a few decisions that suggest that it may have a different view.

 

[Kirkhill]

Then you must be a fan of what is happening in the US. A democratically elected Executive and Congress that think it is okay to have its agents detain US citizens 'under they sort things out', feel that habeas corpus is optional, and that terms such as 'war' and 'insurrection' are, like your taglines, mean just what they choose them to mean, extra-judicial and international killings included. I'm not aware that any new laws have been enacted to enable much of this Administrations policy.

Maybe legislators in most democracies felt that, sometimes, politicians can't be trusted. The UK has traditionally taken the view that Parliament is sovereign, but their Supreme Court (which has only existed since 2009) has made a few decisions that suggest that it may have a different view.

Legislators are politicians.

And before there was a Supreme Court there were Law Lords.

 

[lenaitch]

Legislators are politicians.

And before there was a Supreme Court there were Law Lords.

Who were also politicians (and, at least part of the legislative leg of a parliamentary democracy), no matter how much they claimed to be above it all.

 

[Kirkhill]

Who were also politicians (and, at least part of the legislative leg of a parliamentary democracy), no matter how much they claimed to be above it all.

Absolutely.

 

[Kirkhill]

There is no getting away from rule by people. There are people I don't like.