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Hamas invaded Israel 2023

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gryphonv said:
Do you think Israel should be more like Russia and basically ignore all international laws?
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Dealing with Hamas and Hamas supporters (not innocent civilians)? Ya man. They're going after children. Hollow points and WP all the way.

On a side note the citizens of gaza don't seem too perturbed by the prisoners being paraded around.
 
I'm sure Israel is as capable of restraint now as it was long ago when Saddam was trying to provoke it into involving itself in the Kuwait war.
 
Jarnhamar said:
Dealing with Hamas and Hamas supporters (not innocent civilians)? Ya man. They're going after children. Hollow points and WP all the way.
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I like how you think but the problem is Hamas is the type to hide out among the civilians.

So to wipe them out is impossible without collateral damage and death of innocents.
 
Jarnhamar said:
Dealing with Hamas and Hamas supporters (not innocent civilians)? Ya man. They're going after children. Hollow points and WP all the way.

On a side note the citizens of gaza don't seem too perturbed by the prisoners being paraded around.
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After Munich in 1972 Israel took vengeance and smote several terrorists in other countries. They made no apologies for it. They may do that again.
 
Kirkhill said:
The problem the Israelis had is that they had financial backers. With enough money they could make any forlorn chunk of desert bloom and make it profitable. They created wealth. That made them objects of envy.

Had they lived like the locals it is unlikely that the locals would have been bothered by yet another poor tribe in the area.

The Israelis are successful and that is the greatest crime anyone can commit these days.

If Gaza spent half as much time turning itself into an entrepot like, for example, Singapore, as it does in trying to figure out how to efficiently slaughter drugged out teens at a party it would be far better off.
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The other side of it is they are actively blockaded by Israel which prevents any sort of growth.

Israel is doing it for their protection. It still hurts the average Palestinian. Easy to see why resentment exists. Evicted from your land, forced to comply with laws that you had no part in making by people who do not represent you nor care to. Blockaded economy, etc. Very similar to the native situation back home.
 
Eaglelord17 said:
The other side of it is they are actively blockaded by Israel which prevents any sort of growth.

Israel is doing it for their protection. It still hurts the average Palestinian. Easy to see why resentment exists. Evicted from your land, forced to comply with laws that you had no part in making by people who do not represent you nor care to. Blockaded economy, etc. Very similar to the native situation back home.
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You forget Egypt also blockades Gaza because Hamas supports the MB, which means that the current administration does not give a f*** about them. Had Hamas the brain cells to work with the current government there, life would be much better there. but Hamas would rather rule a dung heap than risk not being in power.
 
Eaglelord17 said:
The other side of it is they are actively blockaded by Israel which prevents any sort of growth.

Israel is doing it for their protection. It still hurts the average Palestinian. Easy to see why resentment exists. Evicted from your land, forced to comply with laws that you had no part in making by people who do not represent you nor care to. Blockaded economy, etc. Very similar to the native situation back home.
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evicted? Many left their homes voluntarily during the 1948 war expecting to return to a Israeli-free country. Obviously that didn't happen and Israel refused to allow those who left to return home. Rather than allow them to settle within their national boundaries the Arabic countries forced them into camps. The Palestinians who live in Gaza and the west bank are the remnants from when Egypt controlled Gaza and Jordan, the West Bank. I suppose that some of them were refugees from 1948 but many lived there before: so they haven't been evicted at all. The title Palestinian was originally coined to identify the Jewish settlers back around 1900. So we have a conquered people who were offered their own country, many of whom initially took jobs in the Israeli state. What happened? They got hijacked. Their education system teaches death to the Jew. Their Immans teach death to the Jew and their government is a terrorist organization. Did I get that right or is there something I am missing?
 
Has Hamas openly stated its war aims yet?

Because if they don't, or if the war aims are anything like "interrupt normalization of relations between Israel and other nations" or the usual death-to-Israel rhetoric, pro-Palestinian supporters are going to have very little to cling to between a manifestly unjust war and manifestly unjust conduct of it.
 
Brad Sallows said:
pro-Palestinian supporters are going to have very little to cling to between a manifestly unjust war and manifestly unjust conduct of it.
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Those supporters don’t care because western nations allow open protesting and backing of terrorist organizations, so long they aren’t violent. This could be a very bad situation for western nations who’ve allowed young men from anti-Israel nations to immigrate. Israel is just getting started with its gaza campaign and these protests and protestors will only get larger and more heated.
 
YZT580 said:
evicted? Many left their homes voluntarily during the 1948 war expecting to return to a Israeli-free country. Obviously that didn't happen and Israel refused to allow those who left to return home. Rather than allow them to settle within their national boundaries the Arabic countries forced them into camps. The Palestinians who live in Gaza and the west bank are the remnants from when Egypt controlled Gaza and Jordan, the West Bank. I suppose that some of them were refugees from 1948 but many lived there before: so they haven't been evicted at all. The title Palestinian was originally coined to identify the Jewish settlers back around 1900. So we have a conquered people who were offered their own country, many of whom initially took jobs in the Israeli state. What happened? They got hijacked. Their education system teaches death to the Jew. Their Immans teach death to the Jew and their government is a terrorist organization. Did I get that right or is there something I am missing?
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The population in the region shot up during the British Mandate, proportionally Jewish and Arabic.
 
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