Hamas invaded Israel 2023

[FJAG]

At risk of continuing this tangent, most immigrant experiences change after the 3rd (if you’re counting the folks actually immigrating as 1st) generation.

1st generation: Tied to homelands generally
2nd generation: 50/50, trying to balance “old country” culture and Canadian culture
3rd generation: Pretty much Canadian culture, with smattering of ties to ethnicity

This is why the 2nd generation has a “bridge” mentality and is pulled in various directions - their parents want them to respect and follow the old country traditions, while their peers want them to be Canadian. I am a 2nd generation immigrant and while I can explain it to folks easily enough, it is tough to let go of those ”old country” traditions that may conflict with current Canadian culture.

OK, I’ll stop now.

I think that there is a little more to it than that and the nature of the culture that you come from and go into has a lot to do with that.

My family immigrated from Germany in the late 50's when I was eight years old. My parents had a few cultural ties back to Germany - every Sunday morning they listened to a German language radio program in Toronto, occasionally went to the German club for a night out and we mostly ate German food at home. But that's about as far as it went for them. In all other respects they lived a standard Canadian life.

For me there was no real connection with Germany. I gave up lederhosen and corduroy pants within a few weeks and within three months was speaking fluid English - by six months any trace of an accent was gone. I had absolutely zero connection to Germany although I think that I have a genetic predisposition to well-hopped beer and knackwurst. I knew several other German immigrants my age and they all went the same way. Within six months we were fully Canadianized.

It strikes me that the further your culture is off from what we consider a "standard" Canadian culture, the stronger the ties to that old culture are and the longer it takes to leave it behind especially if many of those cultural mores are routinely practiced at home. I think that may be especially true for visible minorities where there is an outward appearance of being "different" from the adopting culture. I have a niece who has now lived in Japan for over thirty years, married a Japanese man, and still has not been assimilated. She's fully adopted the culture, but still feels very much like an outsider.

 

[Good2Golf]

Background on why many Arab nations have little time for Palestinians:

https://twitter.com/x/status/1720747040349520077

 

[McG]

https://www.cbc.ca/news/world/gaza-refugee-camps-israel-hamas-war-1.7018274

https://www.cbc.ca/news/world/israel-hamas-gaza-day-29-1.7018816

 

[dimsum]

It strikes me that the further your culture is off from what we consider a "standard" Canadian culture, the stronger the ties to that old culture are and the longer it takes to leave it behind especially if many of those cultural mores are routinely practiced at home. I think that may be especially true for visible minorities where there is an outward appearance of being "different" from the adopting culture. I have a niece who has now lived in Japan for over thirty years, married a Japanese man, and still has not been assimilated. She's fully adopted the culture, but still feels very much like an outsider.

Agreed. As a visible minority, even if you’re assimilated into Canadian culture there will be instances (good or ill-will, doesn’t matter) that you just “look different”.

As for your niece, lets just say Japan isn’t super interested in assimilating folks who don’t look like them (Japanese). Asian countries have a spectrum of views towards others of different ethnicities, but someone who doesn’t look Asian but can speak the language, etc is more of a cultural oddity. Japanese society will be super interested that she can speak, read, etc Japanese but I don’t think the public would consider her “Japanese”, more “a different-ethnic person who happens to know Japanese”.

 

[rmc_wannabe]

Background on why many Arab nations have little time for Palestinians:

https://twitter.com/x/status/1720747040349520077

I saw this first hand in Lebanon nd in North Sinai.

The Palestinian Refugee areas of Beirut were very much containerized by the LAF. Check Points, infrastructure was diverted around those areas, and it was very much a "blight on our landscape" take from the Lebanese. What Israel is doing in Gaza is common place throughout the Levant.

In Sinai, the EAF have been essentially fighting off the Palestinians for decades. They made peace with Israel, got what they wanted (Sinai) in the Camp David Accords, and have found it more profitable to keep the peace. Anything to upset that apple cart is quashed with ferver. North Sinai is an active COIN environment, and the EAF have removed entire towns off the map (El Arish comes to mind) to deter it. Far from the "Club Med" MFO deployments of yesteryear.

 

[Maxman1]

I have a niece who has now lived in Japan for over thirty years, married a Japanese man, and still has not been assimilated. She's fully adopted the culture, but still feels very much like an outsider.

That has more to do with Japan. The Japanese are very polite, but super racist. Some businesses simply do not allow non-Japanese people, and a lot of people will insist on speaking the most broken English and refuse to speak Japanese to non-Japanese people.

 

[YZT580]

I think that there is a little more to it than that and the nature of the culture that you come from and go into has a lot to do with that.

My family immigrated from Germany in the late 50's when I was eight years old. My parents had a few cultural ties back to Germany - every Sunday morning they listened to a German language radio program in Toronto, occasionally went to the German club for a night out and we mostly ate German food at home. But that's about as far as it went for them. In all other respects they lived a standard Canadian life.

For me there was no real connection with Germany. I gave up lederhosen and corduroy pants within a few weeks and within three months was speaking fluid English - by six months any trace of an accent was gone. I had absolutely zero connection to Germany although I think that I have a genetic predisposition to well-hopped beer and knackwurst. I knew several other German immigrants my age and they all went the same way. Within six months we were fully Canadianized.

It strikes me that the further your culture is off from what we consider a "standard" Canadian culture, the stronger the ties to that old culture are and the longer it takes to leave it behind especially if many of those cultural mores are routinely practiced at home. I think that may be especially true for visible minorities where there is an outward appearance of being "different" from the adopting culture. I have a niece who has now lived in Japan for over thirty years, married a Japanese man, and still has not been assimilated. She's fully adopted the culture, but still feels very much like an outsider.

plus our governments starting with Trudeau Sr. have pushed the post-national concept. You are a global citizen and there is nothing intrinsically unique about being Canadian. I think that attitude is a great part of our problem. Dual citizenships mean you don't belong anywhere, you are not committed. Being Canadian has become a safety valve rather than a privilege.

 

[Colin Parkinson]

Meanwhile back at the ranch, who's a good doggy?

https://twitter.com/x/status/1720844002520396222

 

[Booter]

He’s wearing a bite sleeve. that’s a little weird.

 

[daftandbarmy]

Obama who?

#nomorehasbeens

‘Nobody’s hands are clean’: Obama urges reflection amid Israel-Hamas conflict

Reflecting on his presidency, Obama posed the question, “Well, was there something else I could have done?”

www.politico.com

 

[brihard]

He’s wearing a bite sleeve. that’s a little weird.

Staged?

 

[Quirky]

Obama who?

#nomorehasbeens

‘Nobody’s hands are clean’: Obama urges reflection amid Israel-Hamas conflict

Reflecting on his presidency, Obama posed the question, “Well, was there something else I could have done?”

www.politico.com

Oh Christ. Palestinians don’t want a two state solution, they want a final solution. They fucked around and they are finding out.

 

[Booter]

Staged?

I’ve seen sleeves in bad guys bug out bags- combined with knives. But is that a hamas thing or a gun or explosive COA for them

That or it’s video of work ups…

 

[Booter]

Googled IDF dog and found this

Israel posts fake video of dog chase in Gaza tunnel

Qassam Brigades combat videos have destroyed myth of invincible IDF.

electronicintifada.net

It’s a training video.

 

[The Bread Guy]

Tell us what you REALLY think, Minister ....

Israeli minister says dropping atomic bomb on Gaza 'an option’; PM Netanyahu reacts

Israel Hamas war: Asked whether an atomic bomb should be dropped on the Gaza Strip, Amihai Eliyahu said “this is one of the possibilities".

www.hindustantimes.com

Far-right minister suspended for suggesting Israel could nuke Gaza

The far-right lawmaker later said on X that 'any sensible person' knew the comments that Israel could use a nuclear weapon in the Gaza Strip were 'metaphorical.'

www.jpost.com

Israel minister suspended after calling nuking Gaza an option

Heritage Minister Amichai Eliyahu’s statements ‘are not based in reality,’ Prime Minister Netanyahu says.

www.politico.eu

 

[Colin Parkinson]

Googled IDF dog and found this

Israel posts fake video of dog chase in Gaza tunnel

Qassam Brigades combat videos have destroyed myth of invincible IDF.

electronicintifada.net

It’s a training video.

Good catch

 

[gryphonv]

IMO Turkey has always been the weakest link in NATO, and their alliance could very well be tested if this spills outside Israel/Gaza/West Bank.

 

[The Bread Guy]

IMO Turkey has always been the weakest link in NATO, and their alliance could very well be tested if this spills outside Israel/Gaza/West Bank.

Looks pretty "humanitarian" there ...

 

[Kirkhill]

Six Members of My Family Are Hostages in Gaza. Does Anyone Care?

On Oct. 24 my brother and I went to the United Nations to watch an emergency Security Council meeting in

dnyuz.com

Six Members of My Family Are Hostages in Gaza. Does Anyone Care?​

On Oct. 7. I spent the day waiting for news from my family in Israel. My cousin Sharon Cunio; her husband, David; their 3-year-old twins, Emma and Yuli; my cousin Danielle Alony; and her 5-year-old daughter, Amelia, were hiding together in their bomb shelter while Hamas went on a murderous rampage through their kibbutz. The last contact my family has had from them is a WhatsApp message simply saying, “Help, we’re dying.” By evening, my aunt had confirmed our fears: My six relatives were missing from Kibbutz Nir Oz, a community in the south of Israel about three miles from Gaza now known as a scene of brutality and destruction.

An hour after discovering they were missing, I spotted some of my family on a TikTok video. They were being carted away, surrounded by machine-gun-carrying terrorists shouting “Allahu akbar.” The pain I experienced in that moment and in so many after has been so sharp, it follows my every breath. I wake up each morning only to remember again my family is being held hostage by terrorists.

Again and again I hear that Israel is a country of white colonizers and oppressors. So some of my bewilderment is in my very skin. My maternal grandparents, Avraham and Sara, grew up in a tiny rural village in central Yemen. Like other Jews in the Arabian Peninsula, Yemenite Jews were persecuted as second-class citizens through what are known as dhimmi laws — the denigration of non-Muslims before the law. In 1949, after pogroms against Jews in Yemen, my grandparents set out by foot and donkey on an arduous journey to the capital, Sana. From there, they were airlifted during Operation Magic Carpet to the newly formed state of Israel. As refugees fleeing oppression in their birth country, they began their lives in Israel in poverty. Slowly they built a humble but comfortable life and raised five children, among them my mother.

So maybe you can imagine my surprise the first time I heard my Israeli family called “white colonizers.” When did we become white? And how could a family fleeing persecution be perceived as colonizers? I have heard this description for years; perhaps I shrugged it off too easily. But it’s not the catchphrases or even the loudest and most inflammatory voices that have made me feel so betrayed. Rather, it’s those who have remained silent when they otherwise would never be, like the women who lifted up the #MeToo movement alongside me yet now refuse to cry out against even the violence against women or rape reported by an Israeli military forensics team

 

[gryphonv]

Looks pretty "humanitarian" there ...

The video is now private. It was showing protesters in Turkey attacking a US air base and getting repelled by local police, in case anyone else was wondering.