Harry and William and their military service.
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I wonder if that was a Freudian slip, or a difference in terminology that the Brits use (maybe like the ways cadets use the term "age out" in reference to turning 19, and having to exit cadets). Any speaker's of the King's English give us a hand on this one?!?!
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Anyone know what regiment he is destined to serve in? I heard Harry was suppose to go to the Fusiliers but cannot find any reference for it.
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Good Question Ex, it's actually something I was interested in too.
At first Harry was supposed to serve with the House Cavalry, which is who you see outside of Buckingham Palace on horseback though they are also an operational unit having served in Iraq. He changed his mind I believe and last I heard was hoping to serve with the Welsh Guards(I think it was them) who also do alot of ceremonial work, but rotate through an operational role as well.
I've not heard anything about William yet, I would guess the House Cavalry though that's entirely speculation, the House Cavalry has always been considered the upper class regiment.
I say Good on them both though,
At first Harry was supposed to serve with the House Cavalry, which is who you see outside of Buckingham Palace on horseback though they are also an operational unit having served in Iraq. He changed his mind I believe and last I heard was hoping to serve with the Welsh Guards(I think it was them) who also do alot of ceremonial work, but rotate through an operational role as well.
I've not heard anything about William yet, I would guess the House Cavalry though that's entirely speculation, the House Cavalry has always been considered the upper class regiment.
I say Good on them both though,
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It appears to be the Royal Scots Dragoon Guards.
"Prince William seems by all accounts to possess the classic British gentleman and sportsman profile, with a twist. An avid swimmer and polo participant, he attended the famed college Eton before his current stint at St. Andrews. He has expressed an interest in joining a regiment of the British army, the Royal Scots Dragoon Guards. All in all, the once precocious and shy boy has grown into an assertive and strong young man."
http://www.askmen.com/men/business_politics/52b_prince_william.html
"Prince William seems by all accounts to possess the classic British gentleman and sportsman profile, with a twist. An avid swimmer and polo participant, he attended the famed college Eton before his current stint at St. Andrews. He has expressed an interest in joining a regiment of the British army, the Royal Scots Dragoon Guards. All in all, the once precocious and shy boy has grown into an assertive and strong young man."
http://www.askmen.com/men/business_politics/52b_prince_william.html
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William tryed out for the Royal Marines and dropped out before he hit the middle weeks, from what I have herd is that he is interested again to try out for the Army this time, more or less it all for the cameras.
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As far as I know, William has never tried out for the RM, that was his uncle (who did drop out) as Tomahawk said he's been at St. Andrews for the past few years.
Good point Geo,
Could it be that the current conflicts in the world are giving newfound relevance and respect to Britains land forces?
I'm sure when the Prince's grandfather, father and uncles went through the Navy was seen as the only respectable choice for a good English Chap, but given the British Army's recent excellent service abroad perhaps the Army is being seen in a different light.
Good point Geo,
Could it be that the current conflicts in the world are giving newfound relevance and respect to Britains land forces?
I'm sure when the Prince's grandfather, father and uncles went through the Navy was seen as the only respectable choice for a good English Chap, but given the British Army's recent excellent service abroad perhaps the Army is being seen in a different light.
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Che said:
I can confirm this.
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Amoured Recce Troop Leading and Ceremonial Horseback rotations,
That's a really good gig, if anyones interested search it in Google.
I wonder if he changed his mind, or if he had to change his mind because of some Royal Protocol about Serving in infantry units.
That's a really good gig, if anyones interested search it in Google.
I wonder if he changed his mind, or if he had to change his mind because of some Royal Protocol about Serving in infantry units.
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As a point of interest, Queen Elizabeth II is the only female member of the royal family to serve in the military. She joined the Auxiliary Territorial Service in 1945 as a driver. My grandmother actually served with her and from how she tells it, it was more of a pain in the butt than anything. They went so far as to trim the grass with scissors and everything had to be perfection when the princess was around. I expect times have changed.
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Couple more articles about Harry's Great Adventure. (Good on him, right enough though)
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2005/11/07/nharry07.xml
And then there's this one - Blues and Royals (Armd Recce), not the Welsh Guards.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2006/01/26/nharry26.xml&sSheet=/news/2006/01/26/ixnewstop.html
Quick hands up. Who wants to volunteer for Harry's Troop in Basra?
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2005/11/07/nharry07.xml
And then there's this one - Blues and Royals (Armd Recce), not the Welsh Guards.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2006/01/26/nharry26.xml&sSheet=/news/2006/01/26/ixnewstop.html
Quick hands up. Who wants to volunteer for Harry's Troop in Basra?
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http://news.mod.uk/news/press/news_headline_story2.asp?newsItem_id=3936
Prince Harry to join Blues and Royals
Published Wednesday 25th January 2006
A Scimitar CVR(T) (Combat Vehicle Reconnaissance (Tracked)), from the Blues & Royals (Household Cavalry Regiment), seen from a camera mounted on the barrel of the 30mm RARDEN gun as it splashes at speed along a muddy track whilst supporting 5 Airborne Brigade in the recce role. [Phot: Peter Russell]
The Blues and RoyalsPrince Harry, upon successful completion of Officer Cadet Training at the Royal Military Academy Sandhurst, will join the Household Cavalry, with the aim of becoming an Armoured reconnaissance Troop Leader at the forefront of British Army operations.
On being commissioned as an officer at Sandhurst in April 2006, Harry, intends to join the Blues and Royals regiment within the Household Cavalry, as a Second Lieutenant, known in The Blues and Royals as a 'Cornet'. It is intended that Prince Harry will undertake a full range of deployments – both training and operational.
Like all cadets at Sandhurst, Harry has considered a number of regiments before applying to join the Household Cavalry. He based his decision on the variety of roles which the regiment undertakes, including reconnaissance support to airborne forces right through to ceremonial duties. The Prince was also attracted by the regiment's outstanding operational record in recent decades, most notably during the Falklands Conflict and the Gulf War, in Bosnia and Kosovo, in Iraq and in Northern Ireland.
Once he joins The Blues and Royals Harry will undergo a period of specialist training with the aim of becoming a Troop Leader in the Royal Armoured Corps. The Troop Leaders Course is held at the Royal Armoured Corps Centre at Bovington, and will also include periods of instruction at Lulworth and Warminster.
The course lasts around four months, and addresses all professional aspects of commanding a troop within the Royal Armoured Corps, of which the Household Cavalry forms part. This includes 'field' activities such as tactics and learning to command the troop in various simulated operational settings, administering and training the troop in barracks (including maintaining armoured vehicles, weaponry and other specialist equipment), and a comprehensive live-firing package, aimed at learning the capabilities and effects of the unit's principal weapons systems, as well as signalling, and driving a Scimitar.
As Troop Leader, Harry will lead a team of around a dozen soldiers carrying out reconnaissance work in a wide variety of operational settings. A troop consists of four Scimitar armoured reconnaissance vehicles, each with a crew of three people. The twelve include a sergeant equivalent, known as Troop Sergeant Corporal of the Horse, two Corporals, known as Lance Corporals of the Horse, two Lance Corporals, and six Troopers. Harry will report to his Squadron Leader, a major.
Commanding officer of the Household Cavalry, Colonel Paddy Tabor, said:
"The Household Cavalry are delighted to be welcoming those officers due to commission at Sandhurst in April, among whom is Prince Harry, and they all have our best wishes for successful completion of their training there at the end of this term.
"He will be one of six young officers passing in April who will then go to the Household Cavalry Regiment in Windsor for the next part of their training.
"We are particularly pleased that Prince Harry has chosen to join the Household Cavalry and in particular The Blues and Royals. In doing so, he will join one of the Army's two most senior regiments, which have a wide variety of roles and extensive recent operational experience. We much look forward to him taking command of his troop on completion of his training."
Although Harry will initially train for and concentrate on operational duties, as a member of the Household Cavalry he would be able to volunteer for, or be posted to, the Household Cavalry Mounted Regiment in London. This regiment has a long history of ceremonial duty, providing Her Majesty The Queen's daily Life Guard and the Sovereign's escort on State occasions. However, as an officer, Prince Harry would not perform sentry duties in this capacity.
Prince Harry's full title will be "Cornet Prince Henry of Wales, The Blues and Royals" - although everyday usage will be "Mr Wales". In line with the other junior officers, he will be called 'Sir' by non-commissioned ranks; 'Harry' by his fellow officers; and 'Cornet Wales' in a more formal setting. He will call everyone by their Christian name except his commanding officer, who will be addressed as "Colonel". When he is on parade, he will address all people senior to himself as "Sir".
On occasion, there may be some circumstances in which Harry's overt presence might attract additional attention that could lead to an exponential rise in the potential risk to those he commands or himself; in these instances a judgement would have to be made (by Harry's Commanding Officer) about his deployment or continuing presence. Prince Harry however, is very clear that he is joining the Army, and the Household Cavalary Regiment in particular, to serve his country as an operational soldier.
Photo 1) A Scimitar CVR(T) (Combat Vehicle Reconnaissance (Tracked)), from the Blues & Royals (Household Cavalry Regiment), seen from a camera mounted on the barrel of the 30mm RARDEN gun as it splashes at speed along a muddy track whilst supporting 5 Airborne Brigade in the recce role. [Phot: Peter Russell]
Photo 2) The Blues and Royals
Prince Harry to join Blues and Royals
Published Wednesday 25th January 2006
A Scimitar CVR(T) (Combat Vehicle Reconnaissance (Tracked)), from the Blues & Royals (Household Cavalry Regiment), seen from a camera mounted on the barrel of the 30mm RARDEN gun as it splashes at speed along a muddy track whilst supporting 5 Airborne Brigade in the recce role. [Phot: Peter Russell]
The Blues and RoyalsPrince Harry, upon successful completion of Officer Cadet Training at the Royal Military Academy Sandhurst, will join the Household Cavalry, with the aim of becoming an Armoured reconnaissance Troop Leader at the forefront of British Army operations.
On being commissioned as an officer at Sandhurst in April 2006, Harry, intends to join the Blues and Royals regiment within the Household Cavalry, as a Second Lieutenant, known in The Blues and Royals as a 'Cornet'. It is intended that Prince Harry will undertake a full range of deployments – both training and operational.
Like all cadets at Sandhurst, Harry has considered a number of regiments before applying to join the Household Cavalry. He based his decision on the variety of roles which the regiment undertakes, including reconnaissance support to airborne forces right through to ceremonial duties. The Prince was also attracted by the regiment's outstanding operational record in recent decades, most notably during the Falklands Conflict and the Gulf War, in Bosnia and Kosovo, in Iraq and in Northern Ireland.
Once he joins The Blues and Royals Harry will undergo a period of specialist training with the aim of becoming a Troop Leader in the Royal Armoured Corps. The Troop Leaders Course is held at the Royal Armoured Corps Centre at Bovington, and will also include periods of instruction at Lulworth and Warminster.
The course lasts around four months, and addresses all professional aspects of commanding a troop within the Royal Armoured Corps, of which the Household Cavalry forms part. This includes 'field' activities such as tactics and learning to command the troop in various simulated operational settings, administering and training the troop in barracks (including maintaining armoured vehicles, weaponry and other specialist equipment), and a comprehensive live-firing package, aimed at learning the capabilities and effects of the unit's principal weapons systems, as well as signalling, and driving a Scimitar.
As Troop Leader, Harry will lead a team of around a dozen soldiers carrying out reconnaissance work in a wide variety of operational settings. A troop consists of four Scimitar armoured reconnaissance vehicles, each with a crew of three people. The twelve include a sergeant equivalent, known as Troop Sergeant Corporal of the Horse, two Corporals, known as Lance Corporals of the Horse, two Lance Corporals, and six Troopers. Harry will report to his Squadron Leader, a major.
Commanding officer of the Household Cavalry, Colonel Paddy Tabor, said:
"The Household Cavalry are delighted to be welcoming those officers due to commission at Sandhurst in April, among whom is Prince Harry, and they all have our best wishes for successful completion of their training there at the end of this term.
"He will be one of six young officers passing in April who will then go to the Household Cavalry Regiment in Windsor for the next part of their training.
"We are particularly pleased that Prince Harry has chosen to join the Household Cavalry and in particular The Blues and Royals. In doing so, he will join one of the Army's two most senior regiments, which have a wide variety of roles and extensive recent operational experience. We much look forward to him taking command of his troop on completion of his training."
Although Harry will initially train for and concentrate on operational duties, as a member of the Household Cavalry he would be able to volunteer for, or be posted to, the Household Cavalry Mounted Regiment in London. This regiment has a long history of ceremonial duty, providing Her Majesty The Queen's daily Life Guard and the Sovereign's escort on State occasions. However, as an officer, Prince Harry would not perform sentry duties in this capacity.
Prince Harry's full title will be "Cornet Prince Henry of Wales, The Blues and Royals" - although everyday usage will be "Mr Wales". In line with the other junior officers, he will be called 'Sir' by non-commissioned ranks; 'Harry' by his fellow officers; and 'Cornet Wales' in a more formal setting. He will call everyone by their Christian name except his commanding officer, who will be addressed as "Colonel". When he is on parade, he will address all people senior to himself as "Sir".
On occasion, there may be some circumstances in which Harry's overt presence might attract additional attention that could lead to an exponential rise in the potential risk to those he commands or himself; in these instances a judgement would have to be made (by Harry's Commanding Officer) about his deployment or continuing presence. Prince Harry however, is very clear that he is joining the Army, and the Household Cavalary Regiment in particular, to serve his country as an operational soldier.
Photo 1) A Scimitar CVR(T) (Combat Vehicle Reconnaissance (Tracked)), from the Blues & Royals (Household Cavalry Regiment), seen from a camera mounted on the barrel of the 30mm RARDEN gun as it splashes at speed along a muddy track whilst supporting 5 Airborne Brigade in the recce role. [Phot: Peter Russell]
Photo 2) The Blues and Royals
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I am about as far from a Monarchist as there is, but I must say that this has brought up my opinion of the Royal Family a HUGE amount, and in particular for Prince Harry. I know that it puts a bit of a "bulls-eye" on his troops (potentially) but I imagine it will give the UK military a giant amount of positive publicity.
I find it odd/sad that members of North American "royalty" (politicians, celebrities, etc) can't be bothered to have their children enter the military (I'm looking at you, GW Bush....), and it takes a member of the British Royal family to do so, and potentially place himself in harm's way, as they see it as their duty.
One notable exception that I can think of is Alexandre Trudeau (I believe it was he) that was in the Reserves. My APS addled memory banks seem to recall that he was on BOTC with a buddy of mine that went through the UTPNCM system back in '96. Or maybe that was just a false memory implanted in me, a la (the latest) Manchurian Candidate (the Montreal Candidate, anyone?!?).
Al
I find it odd/sad that members of North American "royalty" (politicians, celebrities, etc) can't be bothered to have their children enter the military (I'm looking at you, GW Bush....), and it takes a member of the British Royal family to do so, and potentially place himself in harm's way, as they see it as their duty.
One notable exception that I can think of is Alexandre Trudeau (I believe it was he) that was in the Reserves. My APS addled memory banks seem to recall that he was on BOTC with a buddy of mine that went through the UTPNCM system back in '96. Or maybe that was just a false memory implanted in me, a la (the latest) Manchurian Candidate (the Montreal Candidate, anyone?!?).
Al
