High Speed Train Coming?-split from boosting Canada’s military spending"

[Czech_pivo]

Via....sure. But check out what GO has to say about luggage. I was responding to YTZ saying folks would grab a GO train/Bus to Union instead of driving to Pearson

Go ‘frowns’ on luggage during Rush hour - but if you don’t sit in the accessibility car no one will stop you.

 

[ytz]

They're already accommodated on existing rights of way. The high speed rights of way won't have whistle stops in Ingersoll or Casselman. That's one of the ways to get high speed - not stopping at every Podunk shack on the side of the rails.

In any context this would be seen as ridiculous. If anybody said that every Toronto-Montreal flight needs to stop at Belleville, Coburg, Trenton, Kingston, Brockville and Coteau, people would laugh at them. But all of sudden with rail this is supposed to be a serious idea.

Either people don't understand what High Speed Rail actually is or they are being disingenuous. Or both.

The folks trying to argue to use the median of the 401 are an example of both.

 

[dapaterson]

In any context this would be seen as ridiculous. If said that every Toronto-Montreal flight needs to stop at Belleville, Coburg, Trenton, Kingston, Brockville and Coteau, people would laugh at them. But all of sudden with rail this is supposed to be a serious idea.

Either people don't understand what High Speed Rail actually is or they are being disingenuous. Or both.

The folks trying to argue to use the median of the 401 are an example of both.

I'm pretty sure it has to stop in Brockway, Ogdenville and North Haverbrook.

 

[ytz]

It must irk some that the economy of Toronto is bigger than the economy of Alberta or BC. God forbid they get a infrastucture project. If a project isnt moving raw resources out of the ground and out of the nation it's not worth it clearly.

Their entire vision of Canada seems to be that the public exists to enrich oligopoly shareholders and pay out OAS. Nothing in return.

 

[Bruce Monkhouse]

Their entire vision of Canada seems to be that the public exists to enrich oligopoly shareholders and pay out OAS. Nothing in return.

Have you EVER in your life had a discussion without sounding like a rather large douchebag??

 

[YZT580]

This is like saying Pearson Airport only serves Mississauga.

You don't seem to get it yet. HSR stations are like airports. They get feed from a whole region. Plenty of people will GO train to Union and transfer to Alto. Just like they would drive to Pearson to catch a flight.

Sorry, but you don't get it. If you want a successful HSR you have to build the infrastructure and so far it is non-existent.

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The address is for the TGV in France. The heavy lines are the fast ones. Notice all the little lines that feed into each mainline. that is called a network. Guess which lines were built first> If you said the little ones you are absolutely correct. The TGV works because all those little lines feed it. If you look closely you will see a slower speed line underlining the heavy ones. That is so all the hicks can get to a mainline TGV station and then mingle with the gentry should they so desire. Either you build the infrastructure or you duplicate the waste that is Mirabel. All those billions of dollars for an aircraft factory runway.

No they won't,........not for a vacation with any amount of luggage.

 

[YZT580]

In any context this would be seen as ridiculous. If anybody said that every Toronto-Montreal flight needs to stop at Belleville, Coburg, Trenton, Kingston, Brockville and Coteau, people would laugh at them. But all of sudden with rail this is supposed to be a serious idea.

Either people don't understand what High Speed Rail actually is or they are being disingenuous. Or both.

The folks trying to argue to use the median of the 401 are an example of both.

Lets say you are posted in Trenton. If the HSR stops in both Oshawa and Kingston that gives you two choices for getting off. Both require an hour or more travel. But how about that infrastructure network I wrote about with hourly departures that would allow you to get off in Oshawa, wait a few minutes if the schedules are done right and then board VIA for Trenton. Next stop Belleville, Kingston, etc. Otherwise, kiss off all passenger traffic outside or your limited number of stops. Again I say, build the network first.
Go and look at a rail map of every country in Europe. I posted the TGV but the maps are available for all of them. Every single one of them has the HS supported by a web of slower routes that provide transportation to the population of the entire country. So stop looking down your nose at those who dare differ with your elitist attitude and consider that trains are supposedly all about moving people which means dear soul that the trains have to stop occasionally to let them get off.

 

[lenaitch]

Some people may be forgetting that ALTO is not VIA. The project originally was under VIA but was removed from them, possibly because it was determined that they lack the project planning and management for this level. The government has maintained that VIA corridor service will remain. How and what it looks like remains to be seen.

The reality is there will be no HSR in the current CN lakeshore corridor. In addition to CN (you know, the property owner) having no desire to electrify its corridor, there simply isn't the space for the trackage required, and the alignment isn't configured for high speed operation.

The way I understand it, ALTO proposes at least hourly service but I'm not sure that is around-the-clock; you need to allow for maintenance. It would be technically possible to add a train or two a day that is a milk run, but it would somehow have to be interwoven into highspeed traffic that needs to accelerate and decelerate, and would add the cost of station infrastructure. Seeing as only a couple of communities in the study area east of Peterborough and south of Ottawa exceed 10k in population, I would wonder what the point would be.

 

[mariomike]

Go ‘frowns’ on luggage during Rush hour - but if you don’t sit in the accessibility car no one will stop you.

There are luggage delivery services to Pearson and Union.

For passengers who prefer to DIY,

GO Trancit

Can I bring luggage on a GO train or bus?

We cannot accommodate large amounts of luggage; however, during non-rush hour service, you can bring whatever luggage you are able to carry on.

Please do not place luggage or other items in the emergency equipment storage area located next to the door on double decker buses.

UP Express allows baggage up to 158 cm (length+height+width) and 32 kg.

 

[Furniture]

Lets say you are posted in Trenton.

Posted to Trenton you have a car. You're 2.5 hours from Kanata along the 7, or 3 hours from Orleans via the 401/416/417. HSR isn't going to impact your life. More VIA trains aren't either, unless you're a drunk and can't stay sober enough to drive from Trenton to Ottawa or Toronto before smashing some beers.

Go and look at a rail map of every country in Europe. I posted the TGV but the maps are available for all of them. Every single one of them has the HS supported by a web of slower routes that provide transportation to the population of the entire country. So stop looking down your nose at those who dare differ with your elitist attitude and consider that trains are supposedly all about moving people which means dear soul that the trains have to stop occasionally to let them get off.

Canada and Europe are very different in that Canadians tend to own cars, and use them to get around. Passenger trains died because Canadians preferred the comfort of their own car over public transit. Spending billions to make a slow train service isn't going to change preferences.

100% of the time, if I am going to travel from Trenton or Coburg to Ottawa or Toronto, I'll take my car. It costs less, and takes less time than getting to a station, and then getting from the end station to my destination. Ottawa to Toronto changes the game because the distance is nearly doubled, and the traffic is far worse.

It's not about elites or hating non-elites, it's about practicality. A 2-3 hour drive is pretty easy/cheap. A 5-6 hour drive is more costly, and more of a serious consideration for transit options. If HSR can make a 5-6 hour drive/airport experience a 3 hour train ride, then it is the preferred option unless the cost is exorbitant.

 

[Bruce Monkhouse]

And the taxi's or renting a car to get anywhere once you're there aren't "exorbitant "?

 

[Furniture]

And the taxi's or renting a car to get anywhere once you're there aren't "exorbitant "?

Depends. When I went to Quebec we walked... Sometimes parking costs more than an Uber/Taxi... It's all dependant on what you want, and what you're willing to pay for convenience.

I fail to see how a taxi from a slow train is cheaper than a taxi from HSR, so I don't se what you're going for with that line of attack.

 

[Bruce Monkhouse]

Depends. When I went to Quebec we walked... Sometimes parking costs more than an Uber/Taxi... It's all dependant on what you want, and what you're willing to pay for convenience.

I fail to see how a taxi from a slow train is cheaper than a taxi from HSR, so I don't se what you're going for with that line of attack.

Sorry, wasn't clear. My comment was taking any train over driving.

 

[Kilted]

No they won't,........not for a vacation with any amount of luggage.

Anytime I have used VIA I have taken the GO Train into Union because it's free. The annoying part about VIA is that you need to pay for it.