High Speed Train Coming?-split from boosting Canada’s military spending"

[ytz]

Almost all of the overseas traffic are wide bodies so there is no such thing as a variable gauge. Smaller aircraft will be selected on shorter runs i.e. 5 hours or less dependent upon the season like an A319 or A320 or B737 for the Caribbean flights except in the winter when a larger aircraft is needed. So forget your economics of agglomeration. Everything is based on load factors. Plus little airplanes run out of gas about mid-Atlantic unless they make an intermediate stop.

You're a decade out of date. Look up what the 321LR/XLR are doing to the industry right now. And look up the numbers ordered by Air Canada and Transat.

Put it this way. With the XLR, Aer Lingus could fly directly to Calgary. Would you rather fly from Edmonton and transfer in Toronto on your way to Dublin. Or train to Calgary and board a flight to Dublin? Here is a conservative estimate of the reach from Calgary with the XLR.

 

[dapaterson]

You're a decade out of date. Look up what the 321LR/XLR are doing to the industry right now. And look up the numbers ordered by Air Canada and Transat.

Put it this way. With the XLR, Aer Lingus could fly directly to Calgary. Would you rather fly from Edmonton and transfer in Toronto on your way to Dublin. Or train to Calgary and board a flight to Dublin?

I'd rather stay in Dublin, all things considered.

 

[YZT580]

You're a decade out of date. Look up what the 321LR/XLR are doing to the industry right now. And look up the numbers ordered by Air Canada and Transat.

Put it this way. With the XLR, Aer Lingus could fly directly to Calgary. Would you rather fly from Edmonton and transfer in Toronto on your way to Dublin. Or train to Calgary and board a flight to Dublin?

Pardon my ignorance but I don't see your point. Unless you are trying to focus in on my comment re: wide body. If so, change the statement to include the 321, I don't mind. Doesn't change my point its just you being you. The XLR will be matched to routes where there is a demand in excess of 200. It has the range for trans Atlantic but then it is not a small a/c although I will concede that it is not a wide body per se. It seems to be about the same size as the original A300 but narrower more in line with the B757. It would appear to have the same capacity as the DC86 with the HE engines that Air Canada put on them in the last 6 years or so they were flying. With those engines they could operate Toronto/London with St. Johns as an alternate at times. So a new airplane is just a new airplane. It fits the routes that Air Canada operates and their load factor but it is nothing earth shattering. They will not put it on a route that will only generate 180 or less because they have an a/c that will match that route and it costs them more in fees and salaries to operate a larger a/c that isn't over 70% full. But so what? Aer Lingus could also fly directly to Edmonton or they could run 2 a/c and fly to both cities. Aer Lingus will do what all airlines do. They will conduct a route study and chose the one that offers the best chance at success. Are you setting the scene for choosing a single airport in Alberta connected by HS. If you do there is a good chance it will fail. Putting a stop in both airports plus one in Red Deer plus one each downtown totally negates your HS. Many of the runs in Europe do not service the airport but rely on subways or commuter lines. Some do. WHAT IS YOUR POINT? And no I am not being argumentative I just don't know what you are trying to say.

 

[SeaKingTacco]

Pardon my ignorance but I don't see your point. The XLR will be matched to routes where there is a demand in excess of 200. It has the range for trans Atlantic but then it is not a small a/c although I will concede that it is not a wide body per se. It seems to be about the same size as the original A300 but narrower more in line with the B757. They will not put it on a route that will only generate 180 or less because they have an a/c that will match that route and it costs them more in fees and salaries to operate a larger a/c that isn't over 70% full. But so what? Aer Lingus could also fly directly to Edmonton or they could run 2 a/c and fly to both cities. Aer Lingus will do what all airlines do. They will conduct a route study and chose the one that offers the best chance at success. Aer Lingus could also fly directly to North Bay. Now would you rather fly from North Bay to Toronto and then to Dublin or would you rather take the train...Sounds stupid doesn't it? Well so does your argument. Are you setting the scene for choosing a single airport in Alberta connected by HS. If you do there is a good chance it will fail. Putting a stop in both airports plus one in Red Deer plus one each downtown totally negates your HS. Many of the runs in Europe do not service the airport but rely on subways or commuter lines. Some do. WHAT IS YOUR POINT? And no I am not being argumentative I just don't know what you are trying to say.

Frankfurt is served by HSR.

Just sayin…

 

[Altair]

Im so confused.

Neither airport in Alberta is getting a HSR stop...

Both will get extensions to their respective LRTs that will run to the airport.

 

[YZT580]

Im so confused.

Neither airport in Alberta is getting a HSR stop...

Both will get extensions to their respective LRTs that will run to the airport.

Thanks Altair. That makes sense.

Frankfurt is served by HSR.

Just sayin…

I think Amsterdam might be as well but I am not sure. I know the train from Brussels stopped there before going downtown but I can't remember if it was a true HS or just simply fast.

 

[ytz]

Im so confused.

Neither airport in Alberta is getting a HSR stop...

Both will get extensions to their respective LRTs that will run to the airport.

Alto want stop in Dorval either. But the proposed REM connection is 20 mins. And that alone has some in Ottawa freaking out that more people will start flying out of Montreal. The Ottawa Airport Authority estimates that they lose 500k - 750k pax to Montreal a year. For an airport that does around 5M pax a year that is a substantial hit. Now just imagine what an easier non-driving connection will do? And thanks to the unique incompetence planning transit in Ottawa, the number of transfers from downtown Ottawa to the Ottawa airport and the number of transfers to get to Dorval via Alto will be the same.

 

[Czech_pivo]

Pardon my ignorance but I don't see your point. Unless you are trying to focus in on my comment re: wide body. If so, change the statement to include the 321, I don't mind. Doesn't change my point its just you being you. The XLR will be matched to routes where there is a demand in excess of 200. It has the range for trans Atlantic but then it is not a small a/c although I will concede that it is not a wide body per se. It seems to be about the same size as the original A300 but narrower more in line with the B757. It would appear to have the same capacity as the DC86 with the HE engines that Air Canada put on them in the last 6 years or so they were flying. With those engines they could operate Toronto/London with St. Johns as an alternate at times. So a new airplane is just a new airplane. It fits the routes that Air Canada operates and their load factor but it is nothing earth shattering. They will not put it on a route that will only generate 180 or less because they have an a/c that will match that route and it costs them more in fees and salaries to operate a larger a/c that isn't over 70% full. But so what? Aer Lingus could also fly directly to Edmonton or they could run 2 a/c and fly to both cities. Aer Lingus will do what all airlines do. They will conduct a route study and chose the one that offers the best chance at success. Are you setting the scene for choosing a single airport in Alberta connected by HS. If you do there is a good chance it will fail. Putting a stop in both airports plus one in Red Deer plus one each downtown totally negates your HS. Many of the runs in Europe do not service the airport but rely on subways or commuter lines. Some do. WHAT IS YOUR POINT? And no I am not being argumentative I just don't know what you are trying to say.

I've not enjoyed my flights on the A321-200. It's a narrow 3 by 3 seat config and you feel cramped on longer flights (over 4hrs), at least in my experiences.

 

[YZT580]

I've not enjoyed my flights on the A321-200. It's a narrow 3 by 3 seat config and you feel cramped on longer flights (over 4hrs), at least in my experiences.

you are back to the future and the days of the Convair, DC86 and B707.

 

[Altair]

Alto want stop in Dorval either. But the proposed REM connection is 20 mins. And that alone has some in Ottawa freaking out that more people will start flying out of Montreal. The Ottawa Airport Authority estimates that they lose 500k - 750k pax to Montreal a year. For an airport that does around 5M pax a year that is a substantial hit. Now just imagine what an easier non-driving connection will do? And thanks to the unique incompetence planning transit in Ottawa, the number of transfers from downtown Ottawa to the Ottawa airport and the number of transfers to get to Dorval via Alto will be the same.

90 minutes from edmonton to calgary, plus LRT? Sure, some, but on a whole i dont see it.

 

[Good2Golf]

And what makes you believe that it will be YYC winning the airport lottery?

Any decent train service will cut the time airport to airport to less than 2 hours with a stop in Red Deer.

YEG is in Red Deer…no need to stop twice in the same spot.

You're a decade out of date. Look up what the 321LR/XLR are doing to the industry right now. And look up the numbers ordered by Air Canada and Transat.

Put it this way. With the XLR, Aer Lingus could fly directly to Calgary. Would you rather fly from Edmonton and transfer in Toronto on your way to Dublin. Or train to Calgary and board a flight to Dublin? Here is a conservative estimate of the reach from Calgary with the XLR.

…when they have engines…….

 

[SeaKingTacco]

YEG is in Red Deer…no need to stop twice in the same spot.



…when they have engines…….

YEG is in Red Deer?

I don’t get the joke.

 

[YZT580]

YEG is in Red Deer…no need to stop twice in the same spot.



…when they have engines…….

sorry, your idea of a suburb and mine are two different things. It is 128 km which is an hours drive. I can see not stopping a high speed there but it certainly needs some form of rail service to one of the major centres.

 

[ytz]

90 minutes from edmonton to calgary, plus LRT? Sure, some, but on a whole i dont see it.

For a lot of domestic flights, obviously irrelevant. But for a lot of long haul where you're changing in Toronto, or Montreal or Vancouver anyway, it might just make sense to start in Calgary after a train ride and take advantage of more competition. It's the same reason so many drive from Ottawa to Montreal. And not just fares. YYC will have more direct flights and higher frequencies on those flights. The convenience is useful.

 

[brihard]

And thanks to the unique incompetence planning transit in Ottawa, the number of transfers from downtown Ottawa to the Ottawa airport and the number of transfers to get to Dorval via Alto will be the same.

Wow. Least you could do is show LRT Line 2 some goddamned respect pity.

 

[Good2Golf]

YEG is in Red Deer?

I don’t get the joke.

Well maybe not quite in Red Deer, but it is well outside any Edmontonian noise complainers’ reach…

 

[Good2Golf]

sorry, your idea of a suburb and mine are two different things. It is 128 km which is an hours drive. I can see not stopping a high speed there but it certainly needs some form of rail service to one of the major centres.

Probably only our ideas of a good (~decent) joke are two different things…back in the day, driving a friend’s beat up Datsun 510 from YED to YEG, it seemed like forever, and we joked that it might as well be called Red Deer International.

 

[Altair]

sorry, your idea of a suburb and mine are two different things. It is 128 km which is an hours drive. I can see not stopping a high speed there but it certainly needs some form of rail service to one of the major centres.

Red deer is getting HSR.

Edmonton-Red Deer-Calgary high-speed rail master plan released - Red Deer Advocate

Alberta planning for 300 km/h passenger rail service

reddeeradvocate.com

Alberta will spend $15 million over three years to advance its 30-year Passenger Rail Master Plan that includes rail service travelling more than 300 km/h between Edmonton and Calgary, with a stop in Red Deer.

The plan calls for more than one high-speed train an hour on the route through central Alberta.

“The first building block is that high-speed rail connection between Edmonton and Calgary, a stop in Red Deer, and also at the Edmonton and Calgary International Airports,” said Transportation and Economic Corridors Minister Devin Dreeshen, during the announcement held at the Calgary International Airport on Friday.

The plan includes frequent airport-express and commuter rail service, including all-day service every 20 minutes for Calgary International Airport, Airdrie, Edmonton International Airport and St. Albert, and commuter-peak services for other connections.

 

[ytz]

It is 128 km which is an hours drive.

How many laws do you break when driving?

 

[SeaKingTacco]

How many laws do you break when driving?

That is pretty much the going rate on QE2.

Not saying it is legal, or right.