Highest Ranking Female

[armyvern]

Exactly!  We are all "Green" or "Blue".  This here "Differential Training" is a crock.  Why should we divide everyone up into X's or Y's?  Why do we have to point out all the differences in people in the CF?  Why are we not pointing out all our similarities and why we are the "Same"?

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She's not pointing out the "differences", she's pointing out the people who made it "the same".

Because ...

When she earned her pilot wings ... the CF STILL made women who got married get the hell OUT of the military.

The CF treated us "women" different in those days. Men who got married didn't have to get out. Where was the calls from all those males back then saying

"Why!!?? We all wear the same uniform..."

Like it or not, those women were subject to different rules and regulations, despite the fact they "wore the same uniform" as their male counterparts, and some were groundbreakers.

The fact that they were groundbreakers is exactly the reason that we can all (including myself) say today:

"So?? We all wear the same uniform" and have it actually be a factual statement.

That same statement was "not" applicable to these women/aboriginal groundbreakers by regulation; they made it so.

 

[George Wallace]

She's not pointing out the "differences", she's pointing out the people who made it "the same".

Because ...

When she earned her pilot wings ... the CF STILL made women who got married get the hell OUT of the military.

The CF treated us "women" different in those days. Men who got married didn't have to get out. Where was the calls from all those males back then saying

"Why!!?? We all wear the same uniform..."

Like it or not, those women were subject to different rules and regulations, despite the fact they "wore the same uniform" as their male counterparts, and some were groundbreakers.

The fact that they were groundbreakers is exactly the reason that we can all (including myself) say today:

"So?? We all wear the same uniform" and have it actually be a factual statement.

That same statement was "not" applicable to these women/aboriginal groundbreakers by regualtion; they made it so.

Fine!  Fine!  'But that is not the direction in which this topic is now turning.  :

 

[armyvern]

We all wear the same uniform, serve under the same conditions and make the same money. So why is it of any interest ?

We know this to be a factual statement because we are serving. We know it's true.

You'd be surprised, I'm sure, at the average Canadian's perception of the Canadian Armed Forces as a "Man's World". In an age where we are trying to increase recruiting of growing populations of women and aboriginals/minorities ... I'd think it'd would be a good thing to educate them with examples of this factual statement that "we all wear the same uniform, and we are all treated equally; only yourself can hold you back."

 

[armyvern]

Fine!  Fine!  'But that is not the direction in which this topic is now turning.   :

Well, it wasn't I who jumped all over them and turned it that direction was it?  :

 

[Celticgirl]

She's not pointing out the "differences", she's pointing out the people who made it "the same".

Because ...

When she earned her pilot wings ... the CF STILL made women who got married get the hell OUT of the military.

The CF treated us "women" different in those days. Men who got married didn't have to get out. Where was the calls from all those males back then saying

"Why!!?? We all wear the same uniform..."

Like it or not, those women were subject to different rules and regulations, despite the fact they "wore the same uniform" as their male counterparts, and some were groundbreakers.

The fact that they were groundbreakers is exactly the reason that we can all (including myself) say today:

"So?? We all wear the same uniform" and have it actually be a factual statement.

That same statement was "not" applicable to these women/aboriginal groundbreakers by regulation; they made it so.

Army Vern for Prime Minister.  ;D

 

[X-mo-1979]

What do you mean?I thought all the women running around were nurses!You mean to tell me they have careers?who breast feeds the children!OUTRAGEOUS!

 

[armyvern]

What do you mean?I thought all the women running around were nurses!You mean to tell me they have careers?who breast feeds the children!OUTRAGEOUS!

You dinosaur you ...  >

Although I must admit, I too was once barefoot in my kitchen ... think I have a pic to prove it too!!

 

[aesop081]

You dinosaur you ...  >

Although I must admit, I too was once barefoot in my kitchen ... think I have a pic to prove it too!!

TTIUWP

 

[armyvern]

TTIUWP

I'm looking for it! 

 

[armyvern]

TTIUWP

There you go ... all scanned and uploaded just for your viewing pleasure; notice the wonderful "crop" job that I did on it just so the myth can never be attributed to myself.  ;D

 

[armyvern]

Yes, previously an Asst Adm(Mat) --- don't know how she escaped my recall.  :-[

It's not like the good Mr. Larry L. could ever escape one's memory. 

 

[gwp]

I'm interested in all of this as I am writing an article about women in the military. Again, thanks to this group for the direction.

Her Excellency Michaelle Jean CC, CMM, CD, The Governor General is the Commander in Chief. 

 

[aesop081]

Her Excellency Michaelle Jean CC, CMM, CD, The Governor General is the Commander in Chief. 

All that and has never served a single day in uniform. My feelings for this subject asside, shes hardly a poster child for women in the military.

 

[armyvern]

Her Excellency Michaelle Jean CC, CMM, CD, The Governor General is the Commander in Chief. 

Yes indeed Her Excellency is, but the question was distinctly "in" the military - which she is not, nor has ever been.

 

[gwp]

All that and has never served a single day in uniform. My feelings for this subject asside, shes hardly a poster child for women in the military.

The National Defence Act is not amended without her signature, the CDS doesn't get appointed without her signature.  No commissioning scroll, warrant or general officer scroll is valid without her signature.  No decoration is approved without her signature. That service is pretty vital to the country. There are many types of service.

 

[aesop081]

The National Defence Act is not amended without her signature, the CDS doesn't get appointed without her signature.  No commissioning scroll, warrant or general officer scroll is valid without her signature.  No decoration is approved without her signature. That service is pretty vital to the country. There are many types of service.

You know exactly what i mean by service ! She has not, ever, been in the CF. She is not an example of "women IN the military".

Plain and f'ing simple.

 

[armyvern]

The National Defence Act is not amended without her signature, the CDS doesn't get appointed without her signature.  No commissioning scroll, warrant or general officer scroll is valid without her signature.  No decoration is approved without her signature. That service is pretty vital to the country. There are many types of service.

Yes indeed, once again - you are correct. And, that still does not preclude the fact that she is not, nor has ever been "in" the military -- and, again, that was the question. "In the military" was the caveat service that was being asked of.

 

[garb811]

BGen Samson retired in 2001. 

She didn't retire in 2001, she was appointed DG Int and stayed around a few more years.  She didn't make it higher in rank though.

 

[gwp]

The first female Flag Officer 1988 or 89?
FIRST WOMAN APPOINTED TO SENIOR RESERVE NAVAL ADVISER
Naval Captain Laraine Orthlieb has been promoted to the rank of Commodore and simultaneously to the position of Senior Reserve Naval Adviser. Born in Saint John, New Brunswick, Orthlieb graduated from the Saint John General Hospital School of Nursing in 1959 and was subsequently commissioned as a Sublieutenant Nursing Sister at the Naval reserve Division, HMCS Brunswicker. She was transferred to HMCS Nonsuch in Edmonton in 1960, and later left the military to raise a family. Orthlieb re-enrolled at HMCS Tecumseh in Calgary where, in 1985 she was appointed Commanding Officer. Besides nursing, Orthlieb developed expertise in logistics, naval control of shipping and strategic studies. She is an officer in the Order of Military Merit and a graduate of the National Defence College in Kingston, Ontario. Since September, 1988 Commodore Orthlieb has served as the Senior Staff Officer to the Chief of Reserves and Cadets at National Defence Headquarters. Coincidentally, the announcement of Orthlieb's appointment was made by Canada's first woman Associate Defence Minister, The Hon. Mary Collins.

 

[armyvern]

The first female Flag Officer 1988 or 89?
FIRST WOMAN APPOINTED TO SENIOR RESERVE NAVAL ADVISER
Naval Captain Laraine Orthlieb has been promoted to the rank of Commodore and simultaneously to the position of Senior Reserve Naval Adviser. Born in Saint John, New Brunswick, Orthlieb graduated from the Saint John General Hospital School of Nursing in 1959 and was subsequently commissioned as a Sublieutenant Nursing Sister at the Naval reserve Division, HMCS Brunswicker. She was transferred to HMCS Nonsuch in Edmonton in 1960, and later left the military to raise a family. Orthlieb re-enrolled at HMCS Tecumseh in Calgary where, in 1985 she was appointed Commanding Officer. Besides nursing, Orthlieb developed expertise in logistics, naval control of shipping and strategic studies. She is an officer in the Order of Military Merit and a graduate of the National Defence College in Kingston, Ontario. Since September, 1988 Commodore Orthlieb has served as the Senior Staff Officer to the Chief of Reserves and Cadets at National Defence Headquarters. Coincidentally, the announcement of Orthlieb's appointment was made by Canada's first woman Associate Defence Minister, The Hon. Mary Collins.

Mary Collins narrows it down to 1989 ... she was appointed just prior to our departure to Namibia; actually saw us off in her "official" capacity (there was a pic of her and I in the paper ... outside ... while I was having a smoke).

Got a citation for that biography you posted?? They like to link those things around here.