HIMARS and MRLS To Get A New Rocket

[tomahawk6]

The new rocket is expected to have a 500km range. :christmas happy:

http://nationalinterest.org/blog/the-buzz/revealed-the-us-army-wants-super-missile-kill-the-enemy-500-18703

The emerging Long Range Precision Fires, slated to be operational by 2027, is being designed to destroy targets at distances up to 500 kilometers.

“The Long Range Precision Fires Missile will attack, neutralize, suppress and destroy targets using missile-delivered indirect precision fires. LRPF provides field artillery units with 24/7/365 long-range and deep-strike capability while supporting brigade, division, corps, Army, theater, Joint and Coalition forces as well as Marine Corps air-to-ground task forces in full, limited or expeditionary operations,” Dan O’boyle, spokesman for Program Executive Office, Missiles & Space, told Scout Warrior.

 

[Eye In The Sky]

HIMARs is pretty neat to see go in, 500km range with the same or better accuracy is even neater.

 

[Cdn Blackshirt]

Just so I understand, is there a reason why the Army has not prioritized a self-propelled howitzer or rocket system like HIMARS?

Both as a fighting tool, and as a deterrent to enemy forces, it seems like a wise investment.

 

[jeffb]

There was a plan to acquire HIMARS in the 2010 timeframe. Once Afghanistan ended though, it was shifted off to that infamous "horizon 3" which basically translates to me as never going to happen. It is a good system but comes with a fairly hefty ammo bill. Now that we are going back into low-intensity, highly dispersed operations again, it sure would be nice to have the ability to put two launchers at a secured location and project an explosive telephone pole long distances....

 

[tomahawk6]

Not sure I understand.HIMARS is part of divisional artillery level units in light and airborne divisions.MRLS is assigned to the Army's heavy armor/infantry division/Corps.For years the Army has tried to create a follow on to the M109 SP howitzer but its hard to replace an old system that functions quite well.

 

[Kirkhill]

Not sure I understand.HIMARS is part of divisional artillery level units in light and airborne divisions.MRLS is assigned to the Army's heavy armor/infantry division/Corps.For years the Army has tried to create a follow on to the M109 SP howitzer but its hard to replace an old system that functions quite well.

I think Blackshirt is talking about our army T6, not your army.

By the way, how much did you make betting on Trump?

 

[Kirkhill]

Here is a 150 km near term solution:

http://www.army-technology.com/projects/small-diameter-bomb-glsdb/

It parks a Small Diameter Bomb on top of a HIMARs / MRLS  compatible rocket.  1m against moving targets.

 

[tomahawk6]

I think Blackshirt is talking about our army T6, not your army.

By the way, how much did you make betting on Trump?

I dont bet. ;D

 

[Kirkhill]

I dont bet. ;D

:cheers:

 

[McG]

There was a plan to acquire HIMARS in the 2010 timeframe.

Long Range Precision Rockets (LRPR) came out of nowhere at the same time as TAPV and CCV.  If we really wanted it, we would be seeing something in implementation phase about now.

 

[Kirkhill]

Long Range Precision Rockets (LRPR) came out of nowhere at the same time as TAPV and CCV.  If we really wanted it, we would be seeing something in implementation phase about now.

I am still convinced that the programme, which was mentioned about the same time as the GBADS initiative, with emphasis on 4 RCA as a GSR, should have been melded with the MRR Radar project, the GBADS project and the CSC project with input from the RCN, the RRCA and the RCAF.  The intent would be to generate a common system that would employ common missiles from ground, sea (surface and sub-surface) and aerial platforms with common C4I for the maritime and RRCA systems.

 

[McG]

But we don't do joint procurement well.

 

[Kirkhill]

But we don't do joint procurement well.

And this year's award for masterful understatement goes to......  [

Given how badly pooched everything else seems to be, maybe a joint project would be just the ticket to see if common approach can be agreed.

 

[tomahawk6]

And this year's award for masterful understatement goes to......  [

Given how badly pooched everything else seems to be, maybe a joint project would be just the ticket to see if common approach can be agreed.

We in the US dont do joint procurement very well either.The F-35 is just the most recent example.The requirements for the USN and USAF are very different which is why the Navy is having the most issues.I cant think of a common aircraft that the Navy and Air Force fly.As result we have cost overruns that could underwrite the defense establishments of many of our allies.Having a stealth aircraft is great until its loaded with ordinance then its not so stealthy.We even have trouble with a common rifle that fires different bullets instead of the same bullet.

 

[tomahawk6]

The USMC want to be able to fire an anti-ship missile out of HIMARS.GEN Neller also advocates firing the Tomahawk cruise missile out of the VLS launcher on board the LPD-17 class of amphibious ships.

http://kitup.military.com/2016/12/top-marine-wants-fire-anti-ship-missiles-himars.html
The commandant of the Marine Corps wants Marine Corps ground units to be able to target enemy ships without having to rely on air support.

Gen. Robert Neller has been a champion of innovation since he assumed command of the Corps in 2015, promoting efforts to integrate drones with small infantry units and to get experimental technology into the hands of quick-learning Marines. A new focus, he revealed earlier this month at the U.S. Naval Institute’s annual defense forum in Washington, D.C., involves finding a way to fire anti-ship cruise missiles out of existing Marine Corps artillery equipment.

“We’re looking at munitions and capabilities that can be fired out of existing things,” he told reporters during the conference. “I would love to have an anti-ship cruise missile I could shoot out of a HIMARS launcher. So if the Marines, for example, were to go to seize and secure an advance expeditionary amphibious base and the adversary had ships, rather attack them with an airplane, I’d like to be able to have some way to defend from the shore.”

 

[GK .Dundas]

The USMC want to be able to fire an anti-ship missile out of HIMARS.GEN Neller also advocates firing the Tomahawk cruise missile out of the VLS launcher on board the LPD-17 class of amphibious ships.

http://kitup.military.com/2016/12/top-marine-wants-fire-anti-ship-missiles-himars.html
The commandant of the Marine Corps wants Marine Corps ground units to be able to target enemy ships without having to rely on air support.

Gen. Robert Neller has been a champion of innovation since he assumed command of the Corps in 2015, promoting efforts to integrate drones with small infantry units and to get experimental technology into the hands of quick-learning Marines. A new focus, he revealed earlier this month at the U.S. Naval Institute’s annual defense forum in Washington, D.C., involves finding a way to fire anti-ship cruise missiles out of existing Marine Corps artillery equipment.

“We’re looking at munitions and capabilities that can be fired out of existing things,” he told reporters during the conference. “I would love to have an anti-ship cruise missile I could shoot out of a HIMARS launcher. So if the Marines, for example, were to go to seize and secure an advance expeditionary amphibious base and the adversary had ships, rather attack them with an airplane, I’d like to be able to have some way to defend from the shore.”

Guadalcanal any one?

 

[tomahawk6]

HIMARS is capable of firing the AMRAAM which would enhance force protection.

http://www.deagel.com/news/HIMARS-Launcher-Successfully-Fires-AMRAAM-Missiles_n000005846.aspx

DALLAS, TX, March 25th, 2009 -- A Lockheed Martin [NYSE: LMT] High Mobility Artillery Rocket System (HIMARS) launcher successfully fired two Advanced Medium-Range Air-to-Air Missiles (AMRAAM) during a U.S. Army "common launcher" feasibility demonstration at White Sands Missile Range, NM. U.S. Army and industry representatives conducted the "proof of concept" firing to examine the viability of firing an air defense missile from the currently-fielded HIMARS.