Homeless in Fort York Armouries

[The_Falcon]

Thank you Jim, I take it you read Sue-Ann Levy‘s Column in the Toronto Sun. There is a massive homeless industry in Toronto. Any attempt to actually make any headway in addressing the issue is completely blocked by our weak-kneed council and the "homeless advocates". They (the advocates) would like us to spend more on the homeless and less on community policing. They refuse to have the shelters be held accountable for all the money they are getting, they refuse to actually take a count of the homeless to find out how many thier are. Instead they would like the city (and province and feds) to give them hand-outs so they can continue to distribute "safe crack" Kits and programs to make your own wine. Now they want to introduce a "Safe Heroin Injection" in the Moss Park area. This city is @$$ backwards. But even though DND opened up FYA, they did that to minimize the users that would attend. FYA is not in the Core of the city it is a bit of a walk.

 

[Marauder]

Saw a story on this on the Commie Broadcasting Corp during lunch. Must have been a TSR parade night, their CO was on camera.
Funniest thing was when they showed a clip of a bunch of (I assume) BMQs, still in the ODs. What had me laughing was buddy, hey diddle diddle right in the middle, bearmarching like a champ. Everyone was in step but this kid.
My lunch companions couldn‘t understand why I was howling laughing at the boob tube.

 

[Gunnar]

As long as they‘re using public funds anyway, why not offer them a job in the army? When they refuse, look them straight in the eye and ask: "Are you refusing the job I have offered you? Then you must not be eligeable for benefits any more...". Not physically capable? That‘s OK, we need civilian contractors too. Mental problems? Perhaps you should be held at the Queen‘s pleasure....

Dura lex, sed lex: The law is harsh, but it is the law.

 

[jimbunting]

CHE:

It is quite simple really. Anyone who has the guts to apply to be an immigrant to Canada, who has the initiative to move a long way to a new country, is very un-likely to then allow themselves to fall to such a lowly life style.

My point is this. The ones that I see on the streets are in most cases either born in Canada white people or Aboriginals. I live near St Clair and Bathurst, and in my neighbourhood, there are 3 Aboriginal men‘s shelters that are full all the time. Why? These guys come to Toronto from the REZ because they know that they can live without working, and survive on charity. Drop by the St Clair TTC subway station entrance anyday, and count the number of bums standing around. It is no coincidence that there is also a LCBO store right there on St Clair.

Immigrants have more self respect than those who are "homeless". They will work two jobs, and jam into a small place, in order to "get ahead".

Could it be that they come from places that have "real poverty", and that makes them motivated to improve their lives? I think so.

Jim Bunting.

 

[The_Falcon]

I would say that is case for 90-95% of newcomers to this country. There are some immigrants who before they get here or when they get here realize that there is a giant network of agencies and the like that will provide for them and they won‘t have to work a day in their life. Just ask Immigration how many so called "refugee" claimants have just up and disappeared. Or Toronto Police how many (illegal)immigrants from certain countries (that will remain nameless) come to this city (Toronto) in particular and are nothing but a plague on society, by involving themselves in criminal dealings.

 

[jimbunting]

Gentelmen"

I‘ve just did some GOOGLE research about the use of Fort york Armoury, and found that back in 1999, it was a contentious issue. Seems the Toronto Disaster Relief Committe, a tax payer funded organisation was stirring the pot back then, as it continues to do today.

I don‘t know about you, but to me, a DISASTER is something that is un-planned, and comes as a big surprise to us all, and one that effects the community as a whole, not a tiny minority. To me a Disaster Relief Committee should have stock piles of food, blankets and emergency shelters, like tents, BUT, as far as I can find out this group has none of those things, nor do they have ANY trained persons who could assist in a DISASTER.

What they do have is a AGENDA, to try to convince the citizens of Toronto that our city has a "homeless problem" and they appear to be doing that job quite well. So well, in fact that they have been funded by THREE levels of Government, for the last 12 years. By applying to all three levels, under a number of different group names, all with the same office address, they maximize their chances of getting funds. Remember that the next time your asked to "sacrifice" something to help the CF do it‘s job.

Jim Bunting.

 

[The_Falcon]

FYI, Back in 99 when the Armouries were opened the first time (It was only Moss Park), It happened because of the owner (Ross McLeod) of Intelligarde International had some connections. DND agreed to open up Moss Park and provide medics and cots, only if Ross‘s company provided security and the city provided support staff and the food. The rules were simple you checked your "medicine" at the door, you didn‘t harass the army folk in the building and you did not cause a disturbance. Now for those of you who do not anything about Intelligarde, they are a no nonsense private police force (in essence). They enforced the rules and kept people in check, but they were not harsh about it. They allowed the homeless to come and go as they pleased, to have thier medicine outside etc. However if they were a problem, they were immediately removed. Those who used the shelter were happy with situation because they knew they were safe and nothing bad was going to happen. The following year Ross wanted to set this up again, but the "professional" homeless adovates (TDRC, OCAP) balked at allowing security (let alone Intelligarde) at the armouries. DND told them no security, no armoury. I guess things have changed, and not for the better, from the accounts of those who were training at FYA.

 

[winchable]

Jim that‘s what I figured, I just wanted to make sure that I wasn‘t misinterpreting it. I come from a family of immigrants so I can attest to the fact that they are anything but unmotivated.

 

[jimbunting]

Gentelmen:

An up-date for all of you.............

Fort York is no longer a homeless shelter. The operation has been moved to number 2 Murray street, near University and Elm . The building used to a part of the Nightingale Nursing College, of George Brown College. The shelter will remain open, there, until April 15th, of this year.

On a similar note, the old Princess Margaret Hospital site, at Wellesley and Sherbourn will continue to be a homeless shelter as well.

Jim Bunting.

 

[winchable]

Any ideas of what will happen in April?
Or is it another bandaid?