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northamericanrebel
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How would u rate the canadian armed forces to others in different countries, who would compare best with canada? 
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Ruthless4Life
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Depends on your point of view, and depends how a person sees the role of the Canadian Forces.
Gunnar
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A civvie‘s view:
Personnel and training: Nobody. (England, but we improvise more successfully).
Equipment: The Third Reich. As of today. ;-) May also be compared to any other losing side of a war 55 years later...
Spending and support: Luxembourg, Monaco
Intelligence & doctrine: Comparable, but different from any number of countries that produce professional soldiers. Theorizing doesn‘t cost the money they ain‘t getting!
In spite of the setbacks, some of the best troops in the world. Training and initiative will make up for lack of spending only so long though...
Personnel and training: Nobody. (England, but we improvise more successfully).
Equipment: The Third Reich. As of today. ;-) May also be compared to any other losing side of a war 55 years later...
Spending and support: Luxembourg, Monaco
Intelligence & doctrine: Comparable, but different from any number of countries that produce professional soldiers. Theorizing doesn‘t cost the money they ain‘t getting!
In spite of the setbacks, some of the best troops in the world. Training and initiative will make up for lack of spending only so long though...
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northamericanrebel
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cbc posted an artical saying that you needed forces befitting of the 2nd largest country in the world =) 60,000 wont cut it
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Coniar
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Great training, proud history and a total lack of support from the Liberal govermont and the public.
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Just out of curiosity why is a construction worker from Cali so interested in Canadas military and specops?
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Just out of curiosity why is a construction worker from Cali so interested in Canadas military and specops?
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Coniar
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I have a letter ready to mail as soon as he bcomes PM actually... just waiting...
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northamericanrebel
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to con air... i am waiting on some bull**** from the usmc so i might be going in and i might not, my whole bloddy family has been in the military for as far back as i can remember, mom,dad,brothers,sisters,grandparents....strong ties too all brances of military and to canadian forces.. love the military, love freedom, loven living in usa with such great neighbors up north =)
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the so called white commonwealth (canada,new zealand,australia,uk) has the best soldiers in the world always under funded always being kicked in the guts by there governments but always getting the job done.
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Coniar
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Sounds good rebel 
theres alot of "specops" gurus about these days... people who play to many video games so I was just curious...
theres alot of "specops" gurus about these days... people who play to many video games so I was just curious...
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Freedom is a blanket pulled over your eyes!
How much freedom do you really have? Can you smoke if you want? Not if your under 18 or in a public building anymore. Can you drink what you want? Can‘t drink alcohol under 19, in public or many other places. You can‘t take whatever drugs you wish. Stores sell cigarettes for money which kills not only the primary user but non smokers through second hand smoke. Can you in turn have sex and get paid for it? No sir. Government can‘t make money off that. Can you tell someone "Your a moron shut up before i kick your @ss" No you will go to jail. Drive a car without insurence? Not a chance. Buy a HAM radio and chat over the air? Not without a licence. Nor can you buy a gun without taking safty courses up the ying yang and then register your guns on an online data base that costs billions of dollars and is a virtual shopping list for computer smart criminals. You can‘t even buy a pack of gum without paying the government their taxes. Do you get to decide where YOUR money is spent? No again. The government controls EVERYTHING you do. As with the devils greatest trick was making man kind believe he never existed, so to is the goverments greatest trick allowing it‘s people to believe in a false sense of freedom. Is that what your fighting for? Military strikes against houses "suspected" of holding bad guys, the information comming from someone who hates his neibougher, wants his land and is now 10‘000 $$ richer paid for with your money. Your fighting for your right to keep a government in power that controls practically every aspect of your life?
Just something to think about when you sign the dotted line dude. Maybe when your on basic training and you have that blissfull few moments of silence on the can listening to the guy next to you softly snoring you can give this some thought instead of taking out your pen (that you always have in the washroom but get red chits for never having it in class) and writing grafiti on the bathroom stalls.
If you can answer yes then buy some boot polish shave your head and go protect your freedom. Make sure you have enough cash to cover the tax on the boot polish though, the army doesn‘t cover that =)
How much freedom do you really have? Can you smoke if you want? Not if your under 18 or in a public building anymore. Can you drink what you want? Can‘t drink alcohol under 19, in public or many other places. You can‘t take whatever drugs you wish. Stores sell cigarettes for money which kills not only the primary user but non smokers through second hand smoke. Can you in turn have sex and get paid for it? No sir. Government can‘t make money off that. Can you tell someone "Your a moron shut up before i kick your @ss" No you will go to jail. Drive a car without insurence? Not a chance. Buy a HAM radio and chat over the air? Not without a licence. Nor can you buy a gun without taking safty courses up the ying yang and then register your guns on an online data base that costs billions of dollars and is a virtual shopping list for computer smart criminals. You can‘t even buy a pack of gum without paying the government their taxes. Do you get to decide where YOUR money is spent? No again. The government controls EVERYTHING you do. As with the devils greatest trick was making man kind believe he never existed, so to is the goverments greatest trick allowing it‘s people to believe in a false sense of freedom. Is that what your fighting for? Military strikes against houses "suspected" of holding bad guys, the information comming from someone who hates his neibougher, wants his land and is now 10‘000 $$ richer paid for with your money. Your fighting for your right to keep a government in power that controls practically every aspect of your life?
Just something to think about when you sign the dotted line dude. Maybe when your on basic training and you have that blissfull few moments of silence on the can listening to the guy next to you softly snoring you can give this some thought instead of taking out your pen (that you always have in the washroom but get red chits for never having it in class) and writing grafiti on the bathroom stalls.
If you can answer yes then buy some boot polish shave your head and go protect your freedom. Make sure you have enough cash to cover the tax on the boot polish though, the army doesn‘t cover that =)
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northamericanrebel
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man canada is a great place to live, never second guess that, just take a wide open bloddy look around at the putrid, ses pool, 3rd world countries that u COULD be living in....canada and the states are like club med
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nuts to all that. I‘m with ghost 100%. The govenrment is so caught up in health care and what not. Ya health care is good, but what good are the healthy people going to be if there is no army to protect them when they are in trouble? Much less gun control, if they are going to spend their money on health, they should let people have their guns so that at least we might have a chance. Not to belittle the army in any way. But how long can they fight when they dont have the proper support from their government?
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I would rate the forces at a 10 because even with the lack of support they are still finding ways to produce top notch soldiers, as for the government.. bring on voting day.
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Hey,
those rules that impede on our freedom are so:
1. the STUPID people don‘t get themselves or worse someone else killed,
2. So the Gov‘t has some semblence of control over the population(I agree, money too).
We are still free to express most opinions,do most things and dream what we want contrary to what the Gov‘t says....
those rules that impede on our freedom are so:
1. the STUPID people don‘t get themselves or worse someone else killed,
2. So the Gov‘t has some semblence of control over the population(I agree, money too).
We are still free to express most opinions,do most things and dream what we want contrary to what the Gov‘t says....
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I agree that the stupid shouldn‘t be allowed to get other people injured or killed, but I‘m all for letting the stupid kill themselves off (darwin award nominees). Helps to thin out the gene pool 
And I always thought that Canada stood for peace, order and good government. Don‘t see where the freedom thing fits..
Oh and as for troops, yes I do believe that we produce some of the best troops in the world. Not just because of good training and leadership, but also because every single person serving today is doing it because they want to. Their hearts are in it, and therefore will be more willing to go the extra mile to get the job done.
P.S. I‘m a patriot.. really I am!
And I always thought that Canada stood for peace, order and good government. Don‘t see where the freedom thing fits..
Oh and as for troops, yes I do believe that we produce some of the best troops in the world. Not just because of good training and leadership, but also because every single person serving today is doing it because they want to. Their hearts are in it, and therefore will be more willing to go the extra mile to get the job done.
P.S. I‘m a patriot.. really I am!
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I don‘t think you‘d want to be with me Qy Rang. I‘m all for manditory military service starting at 18 in one form or another, weening people off welfare, capital punishment and i‘m pro government. I was just arguing ‘for the other side‘. It‘s always a good thing to be able to see through the eyes of your opponent right? That and ferrit out anarchists
Without the government strong people would take from the weak. Criminals would kill innocent people like in bosnia, iraq and afghanastan without restraint. Paying taxes help pay for free health care, training doctors to take care of you, buying military equipment to protect you from harm. Creates jobs in many industries.
Kids shouldnt smoke at 10 o 15 nor should they drink because at that age they simply dont know any better and they are hurting themselves. They may not have parents who protect them. Having car insurence forces people to pay up for their own actions when they cause damage through stupidity.
The americans believe strongly in their right to bear arms. That was a rule which was made under the threat of invasion from the british, in the 1800‘s. i would like to think we‘ve came a long way from that time period. Where would you stop, automatic weapons for hunting, bombs for pest control, nukes for people control? Government needs to controlt hat stuff because people on their own simply cannot handle that type of responsibility. **** we have parents kidnapping and drowning their own kids because they cry too much, you would trust this person with an assault rifle or car? Not I. Governments are a nessiary evil, just like PT. It hurts and its annoying at times and more often then not (in the army anyways) its forced on you but in the end it helps you out when someone tries to mess with you. A you can run faster or B you can hit harder.
The truth is subjective, don‘t you think QY?
I couldnt agree with Infanteer more though. Everyone DOES take for granted the freedoms they have. Even people who think they are enlightened and watched all those starving kids on the TV on sundays don‘t really ‘feel‘ it until they are actually exposed to it. People can be sympathetic but on different levels. Kids in the mall in canada get pissed off when their cell phone wont work indoors, kids in 3rd world countries think its a gift greater than gold when you give them an apple and a dinky little pin with a canadian flag on it.
Without the government strong people would take from the weak. Criminals would kill innocent people like in bosnia, iraq and afghanastan without restraint. Paying taxes help pay for free health care, training doctors to take care of you, buying military equipment to protect you from harm. Creates jobs in many industries.
Kids shouldnt smoke at 10 o 15 nor should they drink because at that age they simply dont know any better and they are hurting themselves. They may not have parents who protect them. Having car insurence forces people to pay up for their own actions when they cause damage through stupidity.
The americans believe strongly in their right to bear arms. That was a rule which was made under the threat of invasion from the british, in the 1800‘s. i would like to think we‘ve came a long way from that time period. Where would you stop, automatic weapons for hunting, bombs for pest control, nukes for people control? Government needs to controlt hat stuff because people on their own simply cannot handle that type of responsibility. **** we have parents kidnapping and drowning their own kids because they cry too much, you would trust this person with an assault rifle or car? Not I. Governments are a nessiary evil, just like PT. It hurts and its annoying at times and more often then not (in the army anyways) its forced on you but in the end it helps you out when someone tries to mess with you. A you can run faster or B you can hit harder.
The truth is subjective, don‘t you think QY?
I couldnt agree with Infanteer more though. Everyone DOES take for granted the freedoms they have. Even people who think they are enlightened and watched all those starving kids on the TV on sundays don‘t really ‘feel‘ it until they are actually exposed to it. People can be sympathetic but on different levels. Kids in the mall in canada get pissed off when their cell phone wont work indoors, kids in 3rd world countries think its a gift greater than gold when you give them an apple and a dinky little pin with a canadian flag on it.
Michael Dorosh
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We‘re often compared favourably with the US Marines in terms of doctrine and equipment - as far as land battles go. The USMC of course trains for amphibious assaults which is their specialty and has all kinds of special kit for that, which is a capability we don‘t possess.
As far as kit, Third Reich comparison may be a bit off - we are still using Vietnam issue stuff though the last bits of it have been replaced in the last 5 years or are being replaced as we speak - steel helmets, PRC-25 radios (77 set), M113 APC and ACAV kits, we still use the M35 truck though.
As for "best soldiers in the world" - Canadian soldiers have always gotten the job done, but have never been THE BEST. In WW I we shared those honours with the Australians. Finland produced probably the best troops in WW II. I never saw the point in comparisons, though; all things being equal, the Germans, Americans, Russians, Brits, Canadians, etc. all produced terrific soldiers - but things weren‘t equal, and in war, they never are.
American soldiers lived through extreme hardships in WW II that Canadian soldiers never did; think of the starvation diet at Bataan in early 1942, or the cold conditions at Bastogne where winter clothing was at a premium. Were Canadian soldiers as brave as these troops? I think so. Were they "better" than them? Seems unfair to compare, doesn‘t it.
How do you compare the Japanese to the Canadians in WW II? They lived in conditions of great hardship, inflicted corporal punishment on their subordinates and demanded harsh discipline, and fought literally to the last man. To surrender - or even live through a defeat - was a severe dishonour. They would put 10,000 soldiers on an island and any invasion battle there would not be concluded until the last Japanese soldier was stone cold dead. Perhaps you would get 100 prisoners or so, many of whom were unconscious at the time of capture. The Canadians at Dieppe packed it in with 50% casualties and 2000 of them surrendered, most with the capacity to continue fighting. Were the cowards? Absolutely not.
On the whole, I prefer to live in a society where life is more sacred than that. The question is raised - where do you stop being a soldier and start becoming a terrorist and fanatic? Those dozen or so Al Queda dudes who flew the planes into WTC and the Pentagon were firmly convinced of what they were doing and got an extremely favourable kill ratio too.
How do you compare Canadian soldiers to THAT? And in this day and age, do we need to adopt the same methods in order to be able to compete?
As far as kit, Third Reich comparison may be a bit off - we are still using Vietnam issue stuff though the last bits of it have been replaced in the last 5 years or are being replaced as we speak - steel helmets, PRC-25 radios (77 set), M113 APC and ACAV kits, we still use the M35 truck though.
As for "best soldiers in the world" - Canadian soldiers have always gotten the job done, but have never been THE BEST. In WW I we shared those honours with the Australians. Finland produced probably the best troops in WW II. I never saw the point in comparisons, though; all things being equal, the Germans, Americans, Russians, Brits, Canadians, etc. all produced terrific soldiers - but things weren‘t equal, and in war, they never are.
American soldiers lived through extreme hardships in WW II that Canadian soldiers never did; think of the starvation diet at Bataan in early 1942, or the cold conditions at Bastogne where winter clothing was at a premium. Were Canadian soldiers as brave as these troops? I think so. Were they "better" than them? Seems unfair to compare, doesn‘t it.
How do you compare the Japanese to the Canadians in WW II? They lived in conditions of great hardship, inflicted corporal punishment on their subordinates and demanded harsh discipline, and fought literally to the last man. To surrender - or even live through a defeat - was a severe dishonour. They would put 10,000 soldiers on an island and any invasion battle there would not be concluded until the last Japanese soldier was stone cold dead. Perhaps you would get 100 prisoners or so, many of whom were unconscious at the time of capture. The Canadians at Dieppe packed it in with 50% casualties and 2000 of them surrendered, most with the capacity to continue fighting. Were the cowards? Absolutely not.
On the whole, I prefer to live in a society where life is more sacred than that. The question is raised - where do you stop being a soldier and start becoming a terrorist and fanatic? Those dozen or so Al Queda dudes who flew the planes into WTC and the Pentagon were firmly convinced of what they were doing and got an extremely favourable kill ratio too.
How do you compare Canadian soldiers to THAT? And in this day and age, do we need to adopt the same methods in order to be able to compete?
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henleykg
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The Canadian armed forces are an excellent military that receives a pathetic budget and is grotuesquely ill equiped. Just like the US Marine Corps.
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