If you have a degree can you choose to work for a living?

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For those who did not get the lame joke, if you have a degree do you have to be an officer or can you choose to be a NCM.  Also what jobs (in the CF) are available to those with a BSc in Physics? 

Thanks

 

[atticus]

I know they don't make you become an officer. You have choose to join as an officer. Check out this site to help you with your other question:
http://www.recruiting.forces.gc.ca/engraph/career/matcher_e.aspx?el=0&ed=5&full=1&cat=0

Hopefully that helps!

 

[Chimo]

"For those who did not get the lame joke, if you have a degree do you have to be an officer or can you choose to be a NCM." :rage:

Firstly, you are right it is a lame joke, everyone in the Army works hard, both Officers and NCOs, lose the attitude, is my suggestion.

Secondly, no you do not have to become an Officer, I know several NCOs with degrees.

 

[atticus]

um, I'm thinking he wasn't meaning to step on any toes, and that is a kinda long lasting joke that I've heard many many times and will hear many many more times. I don't really think there was any need to get ticked off about it and tell him to loose the attitude.

 

[civvy3840]

Not trying to hi-jack or anything but, if you join the reserves as an NCM and go to college then transfer to the regs can you still be an ncm?

 

[static void]

I know they don't make you become an officer. You have choose to join as an officer. Check out this site to help you with your other question:
http://www.recruiting.forces.gc.ca/engraph/career/matcher_e.aspx?el=0&ed=5&full=1&cat=0

Hopefully that helps!

I allready know about their carrer but you can't put in your degree and have it come up with the associated positions.

 

[Pieman]

I allready know about their carrer but you can't put in your degree and have it come up with the associated positions.

Read through the info. Look at the Officer positions and it will mention what kind of degree you must have. You will find that many of the Officer positions will take a Physics degree.

 

[Cloud Cover]

um, I'm thinking he wasn't meaning to step on any toes, and that is a kinda long lasting joke that I've heard many many times and will hear many many more times. I don't really think there was any need to get ticked off about it and tell him to loose the attitude.

Exactly: I remember in basic a fairly common saying for the first few days: "Don't call me sir, I work for a living- now assume the position."

 

[Gunner]

I know they don't make you become an officer. You have choose to join as an officer.

Just because you have a university degree does not mean you can be (or should be) an officer: it is the CFs choice whether they want you as an officer, not yours.  The only choice you have is to apply to be one.

Cheers,

 

[strongchristian]

Some people really don't understand the point of jokes obviously.

When I handed in my application I didn't have DEO written on it, and the recruiter said "You wanna be a DEO! and wrote it on there in big letters! 

 

[atticus]

Just because you have a university degree does not mean you can be (or should be) an officer: it is the CFs choice whether they want you as an officer, not yours.  The only choice you have is to apply to be one.

Cheers,

yeah, thats what I meant. You just said it alot better than I could.

 

[Roy Harding]

I allready know about their carrer but you can't put in your degree and have it come up with the associated positions.

Go here:  http://www.admfincs.forces.gc.ca/admfincs/subjects/cfao/009-12_e.asp

At the top of Annex A is a link to a chart showing all the different disciplines, and their related Offr MOCs .  The quality of the GIF is atrocious - I would have cleaned it up and posted it here, but I'll leave that as an exercise for curious.

 

[Gunner98]

A degree indicates you can or at least could learn.  Learning to be a soldier or officer is a little different than sitting in classes, writing a few essays and passing a few exams, oh yes we do that, too.  But you actually have to prove you can contribute in a team conceptual world 24/7, when you are told to not necessarily just when you want to.

Just because you have a piece of paper that says you met the minimum standard of your university's physics program doesn't give you a big jump on the next guy in line at the recruiting centre.  The aptitude test will sort that out.

Now go forth seek your answers using your university-proven research skills, try searching the recruiting threads and CF recruiting site previously provided.

 

[GO!!!]

A degree indicates you can or at least could learn.   Learning to be a soldier or officer is a little different than sitting in classes, writing a few essays and passing a few exams, oh yes we do that, too.   But you actually have to prove you can contribute in a team conceptual world 24/7, when you are told to not necessarily just when you want to.

Just because you have a piece of paper that says you met the minimum standard of your university's physics program doesn't give you a big jump on the next guy in line at the recruiting centre.   The aptitude test will sort that out.

Now go forth seek your answers using your university-proven research skills, try searching the recruiting threads and CF recruiting site previously provided.

And I thought I had an attitude!

 

[Gunner98]

I earned my degree 20 years ago.  As an officer I have worked my butt off for the 21 years in uniform.  I find it amusing that people visit Army.ca with questions that can easily be found through Google or the Search function at www.dnd.ca or the Recruiting website.  A degree ain't so special anymore, when I went to school it was less common.

 

[Britney Spears]

Yeah, and you punks better get off my lawn too! Fsucking troops nowadays...........

 

[GO!!!]

I earned my degree 20 years ago.   As an officer I have worked my butt off for the 21 years in uniform.   I find it amusing that people visit Army.ca with questions that can easily be found through Google or the Search function at www.dnd.ca or the Recruiting website.   A degree ain't so special anymore, when I went to school it was less common.

Silly them for asking people in the army questions regarding the army.

And if I'm not mistaken - degrees were less common 21 years ago for two main reasons 1) not as much financial assistance ie- student loans 2) degrees were not pushed in High School the way they are now. Many more people decided to join the workforce instead.

Also - the CF has trained a number of officers in a number of trades (including cbt arms) with no degree - has it not? They simply took screened applicants right out of high school and put them through BOTC and Phase trg - right? And many of those officers are still around.

And finally, the fact that you have a degree from ages past may be less common, but lets not forget that it was alot easier to get into university in 1980-81, before my generation clued in and started applying in droves, driving admission standards up to the 85-90% range, as opposed the the 70% it had been years before.

Today, it is harder to get into school, more expensive, and more difficult to pass. So congrats on your degree, but don't pi$$ on someone else for doing the same thing you did twenty years later.

 

[Gunner98]

Attitude = attitude - Tit for tat.  Don't kid yourself about enrolment standards - the programs were much smaller in those days and they were exclusive for people in the 85-90% grade average.  You are being judgemental without facts, you have no idea where I went to university, what I studied or what my marks were.  But who cares, there are just as many people working for a living as cashiers, waiters, landscapers and taxi drivers with degrees today as there were then.  Army.ca is the place for intelligent questions, so let's end this tit for tat exchange.  Gunner98 out.

 

[GO!!!]

Agreed - I do this way to often.

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