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If you thought man made climate change was bad.......

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But this really takes the cake:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/earth/main.jhtml?xml=/earth/2007/11/21/scicosmos121.xml&CMP=ILC-mostviewedbox

Mankind 'shortening the universe's life'

By Roger Highfield, Science Editor
Last Updated: 12:01am GMT 21/11/2007

Forget about the threat that mankind poses to the Earth: our activities may be shortening the life of the universe too.

The startling claim is made by a pair of American cosmologists investigating the consequences for the cosmos of quantum theory, the most successful theory we have. Over the past few years, cosmologists have taken this powerful theory of what happens at the level of subatomic particles and tried to extend it to understand the universe, since it began in the subatomic realm during the Big Bang.

Cosmologists claim by observing dark energy the universe has been nudged closer to its death

But there is an odd feature of the theory that philosophers and scientists still argue about. In a nutshell, the theory suggests that we change things simply by looking at them and theorists have puzzled over the implications for years.

They often illustrate their concerns about what the theory means with mind-boggling experiments, notably Schrodinger's cat in which, thanks to a fancy experimental set up, the moggy is both alive and dead until someone decides to look, when it either carries on living, or dies. That is, by one interpretation (by another, the universe splits into two, one with a live cat and one with a dead one.)

New Scientist reports a worrying new variant as the cosmologists claim that astronomers may have accidentally nudged the universe closer to its death by observing dark energy, a mysterious anti gravity force which is thought to be speeding up the expansion of the cosmos.

The damaging allegations are made by Profs Lawrence Krauss of Case Western Reserve University in Cleveland, Ohio, and James Dent of Vanderbilt University, Nashville, who suggest that by making this observation in 1998 we may have caused the cosmos to revert to an earlier state when it was more likely to end. "Incredible as it seems, our detection of the dark energy may have reduced the life-expectancy of the universe," Prof Krauss tells New Scientist.

The team came to this depressing conclusion by calculating how the energy state of our universe - a kind of summation of all its particles and all their energies - has evolved since the big bang of creation 13.7 billion years ago.

Some mathematical theories suggest that, in the very beginning, there was a void that possessed energy but was devoid of substance. Then the void changed, converting energy into the hot matter of the big bang. But the team suggests that the void did not convert as much energy to matter as it could, retaining some, in the form of what we now call dark energy, which now accelerates the expansion of the cosmos.

Like the decay of a radioactive atom, such shifts in energy state happen at random and it is possible that this could trigger a new big bang. The good news is that theory suggests that the universe should remain in its current state.

But the bad is that quantum theory says that whenever we observe or measure something, we could stop it decaying due what is what is called the "quantum Zeno effect," which suggests that if an "observer" makes repeated, quick observations of a microscopic object undergoing change, the object can stop changing - just as a watched kettle never boils.

In this case however, it turns out that quantum mechanics implies that if an unstable system has survived for far longer than the average such system should, then the probability that it will continue to survive decreases more slowly than it otherwise would. By resetting the clock, the survival probability would now once again fall exponentially.

"The intriguing question is this," Prof Krauss told the Telegraph. "If we attempt to apply quantum mechanics to the universe as a whole, and if our present state is unstable, then what sets the clock that governs decay? Once we determine our current state by observations, have we reset the clock? If so, as incredible as it may seem, our detection of dark energy may have reduced the life expectancy of our universe."

Prof Krauss says that the measurement of the light from supernovae in 1998, which provided evidence of dark energy, may have reset the decay of the void to zero - back to a point when the likelihood of its surviving was falling rapidly. "In short, we may have snatched away the possibility of long-term survival for our universe and made it more likely it will decay," says Prof Krauss. Not all agree, since his interpretation hinges on one of the issues at the heart of quantum theory - do you need people to do the observing?

This is not the only damage to the heavens that astronomers may have caused. Our cosmos is now significantly lighter than scientists had thought after an analysis of the amount of light given out by galaxies concluded that some shone from lightweight electrons, not heavyweight atoms. In all, the new analysis suggests that the universe has lost about one fifth of its overall mass.

The discovery was made while trying to analyze clusters of galaxies - the largest cosmological structures in the universe - and is not the result of a cosmological diet but a major rethink of how to interpret x-rays produced by the clusters.

Five years ago, a team at the University of Alabama in Huntsville lead by Prof Richard Lieu reported finding large amounts of extra "soft" (relatively low-energy) x-rays coming from the vast space in the middle of galaxy clusters. Although the atoms that emitted them were thought to be spread thinly through space (less than one atom per cubit metre), they would have filled billions of billions of cubic light years.

Their cumulative mass was thought to account for as much as ten percent of the mass and gravity needed to hold together galaxies, galaxy clusters and perhaps the universe itself.

But now the team has taken a closer look at data gathered by several satellite instruments, including the Chandra X-ray Observatory and have had a major rethink about these soft X-rays, the bottom line being that this chunk of the universe should now be discounted.

The reason is that the soft x-rays thought to come from intergalactic clouds of atomic gas probably emanated from lightweight electrons instead.

If the source of so much x-ray energy is tiny electrons instead of hefty atoms, it is says the team as if billions of lights thought to come from billions of aircraft carriers were found instead to come from billions of extremely bright fireflies.

"This means the mass of these x-ray emitting clouds is much less than we initially thought it was," said Dr. Max Bonamente. Instead, they are produced by electrons travelling almost the speed of light (and therefore "relativistic").

The discovery may also change what we think is the mix of elements in the universe because these soft x rays mask the tell tale x ray emissions of iron and other metals. "This is also telling us there is fractionally more iron and other metals than we previously thought," said Bonamente. "Less mass but more metals."

Results of this research by Bonamente, Jukka Nevalainen of Finland's Helsinki Observatory and Prof Lieu have been published in the Astrophysical Journal.

The calculated mass of the universe ranges anywhere from 10 to the power of 53 kg to 10 to the power of 60 kg and is complicated by the fact that there is invisible matter we cannot see, called dark matter.
 
But the bad is that quantum theory says that whenever we observe or measure something, we could stop it decaying due what is what is called the "quantum Zeno effect," which suggests that if an "observer" makes repeated, quick observations of a microscopic object undergoing change, the object can stop changing - just as a watched kettle never boils.
Someone should try that experiment and discover that no matter how much you watch it, a kettle will boil in about the same time... everytime...
What is being suggested here is all relative to the observer.  It feels like the kettle never boils when watched, but it does indeed!  Observing something does not change it's state.  Only it's perceived state.

This is not the only damage to the heavens that astronomers may have caused. Our cosmos is now significantly lighter than scientists had thought after an analysis of the amount of light given out by galaxies concluded that some shone from lightweight electrons, not heavyweight atoms. In all, the new analysis suggests that the universe has lost about one fifth of its overall mass.
This in fact, does not mean that the galaxy is any lighter than it was.  We have only discovered something that was already there and applied that information to a theory.  That's like saying that the world was flat until it was "observed" that it was not.

What utter arrogance!  What utter tripe!!!
 
Of course it is true............Don't you remember the news articles a few months back stating that NASA discovered that there was Global Warming happening on Mars.........Of course mankind is the root cause of this and you can deduct from that, that it is spreading and that our species is to blame.........We are destroying the planet which in turn affects the whole Solar System and therefore causes disastrous affects to the Universe, which causes a cascading affect on the multi-verse.......and the Domino Theory of Galactic Distruction is created.   ;D
 
They often illustrate their concerns about what the theory means with mind-boggling experiments, notably Schrodinger's cat in which, thanks to a fancy experimental set up, the moggy is both alive and dead until someone decides to look, when it either carries on living, or dies. That is, by one interpretation (by another, the universe splits into two, one with a live cat and one with a dead one.)

Pseudo philosophers, more like it.  Schrödinger's cat experiment (thought experiment, to be exact) is such utter crap it makes me very angry (said mostly in a Marvin the Martian voice)
For those who don't know it, it's somewhat like this.
Imagine a cat is in a box.  In that box is also a vial of "stuff".  If that vial spills one way, the cat will die.  If the vial spills the other way, the cat will not die.  There is a 50% change of it spilling one way or the other, implying that it WILL spill (50% + 50%=100%).  So, without looking into the box, hearing what's going on or anything, you have no idea of knowing if the cat is alive or dead.  It is, so goes the argument, both alive AND dead. 
To this I say: balderdash!  YOU may not know the state of the cat's existence, but in the end, your perception of its existence has no bearing on that state.  All that will change is your perception of the matter.

Now, "philosophers" who still go on about Schrödinger's cat can all get in a box and eat some hash brownies for all I care.....
 
Some people haven't done there quantum physics homework I see.  ::)
 
Bane said:
Some people haven't done there quantum physics homework I see.  ::)

If they work in a Headquarters, it is likely they are objects in some bizzare quantum physics experiment to extend the life of the universe (ever notice how time flows much more slowly inside the headquarters?  ;)) This is known as the "Schrödinger's Staff Officer experiment".
 
What is being suggested here is all relative to the observer.  It feels like the kettle never boils when watched, but it does indeed!  Observing something does not change it's state.  Only it's perceived state.

Sadly, according to Quantum Physics, you are wrong.  Don't believe me?  Google Hiesenberg's Uncertainty Principle and quantum uncertainty.  Basically, at the quantum level, things either exist, or they don't, based upon the observer observing them.  It makes for some freaky implications...
 
To fully grasp Schroedinger's Cat, please read Cecil Adams' epic poem at:  http://www.straightdope.com/classics/a1_122.html

High art and theoretical physics all rolled into one easy lesson!
 
Anyway- I can't wait for the Jack Layton or Stephane Dion crowd to start a Kyoto-esque process to ban astronomy...
 
The cat experiment is really just a thought experiment, and such occurrences of the cat being both alive and dead don't occur in the macro-environment (the world we see). However, in the subatomic world, particles are influenced by observation. An example of this would be the double-slit experiment: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Double-slit_experiment.

Basic summary is that when not observed, electrons and photons are waves, not particles. But when they are observed entering one of the slits, they are forced into existence by the act of being observed, so they act like particles. The article goes far deeper into explaining how it all works. But, this is a tried, tested, and proven theory. Observation does affect the universe at a subatomic scale, we just don't know why or how much.
 
Davionn said:
Someone should try that experiment and discover that no matter how much you watch it, a kettle will boil in about the same time... everytime...
What is being suggested here is all relative to the observer.  It feels like the kettle never boils when watched, but it does indeed!  Observing something does not change it's state.  Only it's perceived state.
This in fact, does not mean that the galaxy is any lighter than it was.  We have only discovered something that was already there and applied that information to a theory.  That's like saying that the world was flat until it was "observed" that it was not.

What utter arrogance!  What utter tripe!!!
To be fair the observation changing the particles state is not applicable to a boiling kettle. It refers to the impossibility of finding the locaion of a sub atomic particle, and how it is impossible because by measuring the location you have altered it etc etc etc.... point is sub atomic particles..... not kettles......  ;D

edit: Canadian Mind beat me to it
:-[
 
I think these two scientists are giving way to much credence to a few billion apes on a small insignificant rock in a small far corner of the universe. The universe is a big place and I don't see how we humans in our own backwards way, in our own tiny corner of the universe, could ever have that large of an effect on the whole universe. "Impossible". After all we know so little about the universe and how it "actually behaves", that what we do know, would fit into a grain of sand on a beach.

Its the same argument that if a tree falls in the forest and theres no one around to see or hear it. does it make a sound? Of course it does. Just because no ones around to hear it, doesn't mean the sound waves generated by the falling tree are magically muted.

Its much like the "big bang" theory, scientists are still arguing over that one and will be for eons to come. I don't think we have to worry to much about the universe ending anytime soon, because it will still be here long after the earth has been turned into a BBQ charcoal bricket, when our sun finally dies and goes super nova a few billion years from now. From stardust and back to stardust.

Whats next? Watching the sun to much, will take a billion or so years of its life.

It must be grant time gain, so they had to come up with some sort of crazy theory to argue over and substantiate their pay cheques.


Give me a break.
 
Thucydides said:
If they work in a Headquarters, it is likely they are objects in some bizzare quantum physics experiment to extend the life of the universe (ever notice how time flows much more slowly inside the headquarters?  ;)) This is known as the "Schrödinger's Staff Officer experiment".
Schrödinger's Staff Officer experiment:

You take one planning cell, input two warning orders.  One is the right one, one is the wrong one, a ruse, if you will.  Then, you wait.  There is exactly 50% chance of the planning cell spinning out of control as they do the planning for the wrong orders.  Add one "H-Hour" and watch what happens.

;)
 
The biggest problem I see here, is that just like Al Gore, these nimrods are being paid to shovel this shit and justify their lowly existence. The second problem is that I can't find one of these jobs.
 
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