Improved concealment with mixed temperate & arid patterns?

[McG]

Not talking from any intelligent observation here (so feel free to call the thought down if you see fit), but . . .

Have temperate & arid CADPAT ever been intentionally mixed to improve concealment in the same fashion that we wear white bottoms with green tops in winter?  Has anyone been anywhere that such a mix might be ideal (other that the brown grassy fields of Wainwright)?

 

[Lost_Warrior]

Well, the US MarPat has a similar characteristic to what you described.  It has it's shades of green, as well as a dominate shades of brown.

 

[scm77]

The British Royal Marines mixed their camouflage patterns in Afghanistan.


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[Tracker 23A]

I haven't seen it over in Afghanistan, but I think it would make sense to use Arid and Temperate CADPAT together/mixed if the terrain calls for it.

We do it in the winter with our whites, why not do it with Arid and Temp.?

I think some may forget to adapt a little and would think of this as mixing dress, which they shouldn't.

I say do it.

 

[kyleg]

I think some may forget to adapt a little and would think of this as mixing dress, which they shouldn't.

The moment uniformity takes precedence over battlefield effectiveness we have a problem.

 

[Scoobie Newbie]

Well sunshine in a lot of aspects uniformity has taken precedence over better kit.

 

[Michael Dorosh]

Wouldn't covering yourself in dust or mud be more effective, and kind of inevitable in any event?  Cleanliness may be next to Godliness but it's probably next to impossible too in certain circumstances...

 

[Farmboy]

Oh oh oh, I know,  MultiCam!!!  ;D

Rather than mix tops and bottoms just wear different color gear    greens with browns and vise versa

 

[Britney Spears]

I stand by my comments in the other camoflague related threads. The patterns on one's shirt and trousers are more theatrical than practical. Look at the picture above. An observer will easily see the long, straight, shiny, black, uncamoflagued  RIFLE before the pattern of the guy's uniform has any appreciable effect. I say just issue plain old grey or tan Wehrmarcht style  uniforms, spend more time teaching and practicing cam/concealment(including camming up weapons), and let the troops take care of it themselves. 


Another picture from the same op to illustrate my point.

 

[kyleg]

What we REALLY need are cloaking devices  ;D

 

[BKells]

I thought the idea behind white bottoms + green tops in winter was that the ground is white and the trees are still green, and thus your bottom blends into the ground and your top to the trees.

 

[McG]

I thought the idea behind white bottoms + green tops in winter was that the ground is white and the trees are still green, and thus your bottom blends into the ground and your top to the trees.

That is the intent.

 

[Michael Dorosh]

An observer will easily see the long, straight, shiny, black, uncamoflagued   RIFLE before the pattern of the guy's uniform has any appreciable effect.

I don't why you insist on being so difficult; you know as well as anyone else that were those troops issued with the new CADPAT rifle sling that wouldn't be an issue.  I got my CADPAT bootlaces the other day and they're mighty fab; I dropped them on the front lawn on the way from the car and it took me two hours to find them.  Our unit hasn't received its allotment of CADPAT helmet chinstraps yet, though, so that's probably why everyone gets shot during those frontal assaults.

 

[kyleg]

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA ;D

Just wait will some wacko tries to make CADPAT boots! Oh wait...

 

[kyleg]

Just wait TILL (not will)

 

[GO!!!]

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA ;D

Just wait will some wacko tries to make CADPAT boots! Oh wait...

Yeah, bad news. Those are a done deal now. We are all being issued them in the very near future. Seriously! I got that from a DLR guy, I could'nt believe it myself...

I want to see the CADPAT polish..

 

[McG]

To put another perspective on the arid/temperate CADPAT theme; During Op Apollo the Canadian media fixated on the fact that our soldiers were wearing dark green uniforms in a desert.  However, our guys in country will relay stories of the green being better suited to much of the area they worked in (I recently had recalled to me how easy it was to see the US soldiers at night because they appeared as white posts moving along the dark mountain).  We are now returning to Afghanistan's south (and have been there for a few months now), but this time our soldiers will have been issued arid CADPAT.

Recognizing that there is more to camouflage than just the colour of your clothing (like hiding the contrasting large black areas of rifles or boots, breaking the silhouette of a helmet or barrel, etc), does anyone that has operated out of Kandahar recall a time where intentionally mixed arid & temperate CADPAT clothing would have been a benefit to the soldier?

Just wait [untill] some wacko tries to make CADPAT boots! Oh wait...

It's been done.   A trial boot was out a few years back (but after a short while in the field it just looks grey), but I had though that I'd heard the concept was dead.   A solid tan or olive boot would work.   You can try a search for the CADPAT boot thread.

 

[Michael Dorosh]

It's been done.  A trial boot was out a few years back (but after a short while in the field it just looks grey), but I had though that I'd heard the concept was dead.  A solid tan or olive boot would work.  You can try a search for the CADPAT boot thread.

dude, he was JOKING....the CADDPAT boots are old news....

 

[RangerRay]

I wish that the temperate CADPAT had some more tan/brown in it.

Arid Canadian grasslands and autumn aren't very green, but they don't really call for desert CADPAT either...

 

[TCBF]

"does anyone that has operated out of Kandahar recall a time where intentionally mixed arid & temperate CADPAT clothing would have been a benefit to the soldier?'

-I wasn't all that worried, since the Coyote I was in was tan.  But, after everything we owned was faded, it didn't make too much difference.  The dirt helped, as well.

Tom