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Yea when there is money involved and a pecking order based on bloodlines it can get nasty.
Indigenous self-ID/"Pretendians" (merged thread)
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Brad Sallows
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If pretty much everyone in North America is already at least 1/1024 Cherokee, what is the threshold?
Well, since a big talking point is that we have either too many or too few immigrants, I would suggest that not everyone in North America is any part Indigenous…
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Move along, nothing to see here....
whoops, I misspoke but I won't do it again
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A wretched hive of scum and villainy. We must be cautious.
And I’m not speaking of Mos Eisley
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A wretched hive of scum and villainy. We must be cautious.
And I’m not speaking of Mos Eisley
"Politicians and diapers should be changed often and for the same reasons."
- Mark Twain
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The truth will out...
An award-winning Canadian-American author whose career was tied to his apparent indigenous ancestry has recently learned that he has no Cherokee roots.
Thomas King revealed the findings on Monday in an opinion piece published in the Globe and Mail newspaper.
The announcement follows a mid-November meeting with King and members of the Tribal Alliance Against Frauds, a US-based group dedicated to exposing people who falsely claim American Indian heritage.
The 82-year-old said he accepts the findings of a genealogist with the organisation but writes in the essay: "I feel as though I've been ripped in half."
www.bbc.com
Author of Inconvenient Indian discovers he has no indigenous roots
An award-winning Canadian-American author whose career was tied to his apparent indigenous ancestry has recently learned that he has no Cherokee roots.
Thomas King revealed the findings on Monday in an opinion piece published in the Globe and Mail newspaper.
The announcement follows a mid-November meeting with King and members of the Tribal Alliance Against Frauds, a US-based group dedicated to exposing people who falsely claim American Indian heritage.
The 82-year-old said he accepts the findings of a genealogist with the organisation but writes in the essay: "I feel as though I've been ripped in half."
Author of Inconvenient Indian discovers he has no indigenous roots
Thomas King, whose works centered around indigenous stories, said he feels as though he's "been ripped in half" after learning he is not part Cherokee.
www.bbc.com
Halifax Tar
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The truth will out...
Author of Inconvenient Indian discovers he has no indigenous roots
An award-winning Canadian-American author whose career was tied to his apparent indigenous ancestry has recently learned that he has no Cherokee roots.
Thomas King revealed the findings on Monday in an opinion piece published in the Globe and Mail newspaper.
The announcement follows a mid-November meeting with King and members of the Tribal Alliance Against Frauds, a US-based group dedicated to exposing people who falsely claim American Indian heritage.
The 82-year-old said he accepts the findings of a genealogist with the organisation but writes in the essay: "I feel as though I've been ripped in half."
Author of Inconvenient Indian discovers he has no indigenous roots
Thomas King, whose works centered around indigenous stories, said he feels as though he's "been ripped in half" after learning he is not part Cherokee.
I think there are more Pretendians than walts at Remembrance day.
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There are a lot more financial incentives to pretend to be native than to pretend to be a veteran.
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Solid fact!
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Possibly. But how many (such as this latest author to be de-indianized) base their tenuous grasp of aboriginal heritage on vague oral history from family who got it from even older vague oral history? I'm a Newfoundlander. I know this and can prove it because I have a birth certificate that indicates I was born there sometime in the 1950s to parents named such and such. Over the more than half century since I left the island, and especially during my time in the military, since I have a French sounding name I have often been called (or asked if I was) a "Jackatar". For those unfamiliar with the word, that is a (derogatory?) term for a person of mixed French and Mi'kmaq heritage who were primarily from the western part of the island (i.e., French Shore). I was/am not. I'm a "townie" of Irish heritage. The French surname of my father (who was from away) I was to discover only a few years ago came from Saskatchewan. When I was down home last year burying my brother, chatting with the priest at the graveside, I was asked about the origin of our surname. This time I wasn't asked if we were Jackatars but if we had Metis heritage. Don't know, don't care. But if one was to spin that one little detail in stories about a family over several generations, it evolves from "are we X" to "great-great-grandpappy rode with Gabriel Dumont".
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Fair, but if one is staking their professional credentials on being of a particular heritage, you'd think that if they were honest, they'd do a bit of genealogy first... Otherwise it appears that the intent is to spin the yarn, and hope nobody calls it out.
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Like people who claim decent from Royalty?
Chinese influencers pose as Middle Eastern royals to sell fake luxury goods, banned
Influencers in China who impersonated Middle Eastern princesses to market low-quality products have had their accounts banned, sparking widespread controversy.
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For 15 years, the federal government has designated funding for specified groups, but not to others. This means these groups obviously have many opportunity for funding, jobs, or programs, while excluding others. One example is in 2024, Dr. Ted Hewitt, with SSHRC, told Parliament that these rules will not change until at least 2030. This systemic design demonstrates government officials plan to support this system for a long time.
When official policy rewards certain identities, people may feel pushed to fit into those groups, even if the story is not true. This does not happen by accident. It happens because the system encourages it.
The real problem is not only people who change their stories. It is the government policies that create strong reasons to do so.
Reference:
Canada, Parliament, House of Commons, Standing Committee on Science and Research (SRSR). (2024). The distribution of federal government funding among Canada’s post-secondary institutions. 44th Parl., 1st sess. Meeting 84. https://www.ourcommons.ca/Content/Committee/441/SRSR/Evidence/EV13063007/SRSREV84-E.PDF
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And work continues to refine various definitions ...
Chapter 3: Rethinking equity groups under the Employment Equity Act framework - Canada.ca
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I remember a few years ago there was a move (I forget which government) to put some kind of rules around who could be considered a FN band member and some bands put up a howl, claiming the government was being paternalistic and that only they should determine that.
Like FNT housing, sometimes democracy stops at the gate.
'Just give us the money'.
Like FNT housing, sometimes democracy stops at the gate.
'Just give us the money'.
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