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At the risk of following a proud Army dot ca tradition, have you not read any of the threads on Reserve restructure?
Indigenous self-ID/"Pretendians" (merged thread)
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My issue isn’t with someone claiming something they may have been told and innocently believes it at face value.
It is when they may profit and exploit it without really looking into it. Especially when culturally they have little to no link.
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100% agree.
It's one thing for Timmy to go around telling people he's a "viking" because his family is supposed to have come from Denmark. It's entirely a different thing to go around claiming "viking" ancestry, and declaring themself an expert in large part because of ancentry, to make money, when they're not at all "viking".
Halifax Tar
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I think these DNA test services have been very good in showing people that almost no one is pure anything. And especially in NA were almost all a Heinz 57.
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Pretenders - we will always have them whether they be "Vikings" "Indigenous" "Veterans" (complete with medals) or whatever you choose to pretend you are.
I prefer to be a Jedi.
May The Force Be With You.
I prefer to be a Jedi.
May The Force Be With You.
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My DNA results confirmed the family stories... Mostly Scottish, with a lot of English, a bit Irish and a touch of the "norse" countries(1%) like all the British.
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My results may be similar if I ever did DNA
The Norse might be replaced by the French though, but who really knows?
Our family tree likely has an indigenous woman that married in. Or so we suspect. Several generations ago. Family has been here since the 1600s. Not an uncommon thing for French canadiens at the time.
No one is claiming anything on that basis as she likely adopted our culture and any children would have been raised in that culture.
No one is claiming anything on that basis as she likely adopted our culture and any children would have been raised in that culture.
Halifax Tar
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I haven't done one yet. My tin foil hat side is keeping me from surrendering my DNA lol crazy I know lol.
But family doesn't claim anything really crazy beneficial. Simple Irish Catholic immigrants, looking for less prosecution and more opportunity. Came in through Boston and some how wound up between Verona and Enterprise, Ont.
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That's the problem with FN with their claims. Nothing as backup.
Nothing crazy about it. Genealogical dna services biggest profit margin comes from data selling. Read the small print.
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A good article about that... they don't 'sell the data', but use it for other purposes that generates revenue, which is in the small print.
But yeah, it can still be compromised...
How DNA Companies Like Ancestry And 23andMe Are Using Your Genetic Data
In the past couple of years, genetic-testing companies like Ancestry and 23andMe have become popular for finding out family history and DNA information. They make for great gifts for family members and it’s a very attractive pitch to see “where you came from.” However, do you know where that information is being used and stored?
More than 12 million Americans have sent in their DNA to be analyzed to companies like 23andMe and AncestryDNA. The spit-in-tube DNA you send in is anonymized and used for genetic drug research and both sites have been selling the data to third-party companies, like P&G Beauty and Pepto-Bismol, and universities, like The University of Chicago, for some time. In fact, just last week major pharmaceutical giant, GlaxoSmithKline, announced a $300 million deal with 23andMe. The deal entails that they can use the data to analyze the stored sample, investigate new drugs to develop and genetic data for how patients are selected for clinical trials. Both companies say this is not without consent.
When you sign up to share your DNA with Ancestry, you opt-in for “informed consent research.” However, you have the ability to opt out of this when you first agree to the service. Both 23andMe and Ancestry said that they will not share genetic information freely, without a court order, but people are welcome to share the information online themselves sometimes in order to find lost relatives or biological parents.
How DNA Companies Like Ancestry And 23andMe Are Using Your Genetic Data
In the past couple of years, genetic-testing companies like Ancestry and 23andMe have become popular for finding out family history and DNA information. However, do you know where that information is being used and stored?
www.forbes.com
Halifax Tar
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A good article about that... they don't 'sell the data', but use it for other purposes that generates revenue, which is in the small print.
But yeah, it can still be compromised...
How DNA Companies Like Ancestry And 23andMe Are Using Your Genetic Data
In the past couple of years, genetic-testing companies like Ancestry and 23andMe have become popular for finding out family history and DNA information. They make for great gifts for family members and it’s a very attractive pitch to see “where you came from.” However, do you know where that information is being used and stored?
More than 12 million Americans have sent in their DNA to be analyzed to companies like 23andMe and AncestryDNA. The spit-in-tube DNA you send in is anonymized and used for genetic drug research and both sites have been selling the data to third-party companies, like P&G Beauty and Pepto-Bismol, and universities, like The University of Chicago, for some time. In fact, just last week major pharmaceutical giant, GlaxoSmithKline, announced a $300 million deal with 23andMe. The deal entails that they can use the data to analyze the stored sample, investigate new drugs to develop and genetic data for how patients are selected for clinical trials. Both companies say this is not without consent.
When you sign up to share your DNA with Ancestry, you opt-in for “informed consent research.” However, you have the ability to opt out of this when you first agree to the service. Both 23andMe and Ancestry said that they will not share genetic information freely, without a court order, but people are welcome to share the information online themselves sometimes in order to find lost relatives or biological parents.
How DNA Companies Like Ancestry And 23andMe Are Using Your Genetic Data
In the past couple of years, genetic-testing companies like Ancestry and 23andMe have become popular for finding out family history and DNA information. However, do you know where that information is being used and stored?
My tin foil hat side is right every now and again lol
It’s something we identified over ten years as being a problem back when I was a privacy officer at the Privacy Commission for a small stint.
My tin foil hat side is right every now and again lol
Well if you ever decide to get tested here are some things to consider. At least be informed.
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I agree. But I wonder how many of these cases are someone exploiting what they believed to be family myths that they took at face value?
I think Elizabeth Warren genuinely thought she was indigenous, otherwise she wouldn’t have opened her DNA results online. But she milked that status good before that.
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My mom and her cousin published a family genealogy book about 40 years ago. Then a few years ago a good friend gave me one of the Ancestry DNA kits as a gift. I submitted it and the results completely validated all my Mom's pre-internet research. I wish she would've still been alive to see that.
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Meanwhile, at Universities, it gets even more complicated...
The dangerous rush for Indigenous identity policies at universities
People with legitimate claims to Indigeneity are being swept up in policies that will cause lasting harm. The call for quick action is misplaced.Institutional Indigenous identity policies most actively target non-status and Métis people since they often do not have federally recognized status. Already, these are people who suffer some of the greatest inequities among Indigenous Peoples – all of whom fare worse than their non-Indigenous counterparts on virtually every measure of health and well-being.
But non-status and Métis people face an extra hardship: they are not entitled to government supports and services extended to status Indians.
Standard legal avenues exist to address fraud of any kind. Those avenues should be applied to the pretendian problem. It is not the responsibility of Indigenous Peoples to detect and police non-Indigenous fraudulent behaviour. Any institution truly committed to reconciliation should recognize this.
Educational institutions cannot simply follow the state in addressing an issue created by the state. They need to be bastions of critical thinking around the complexities of defining Indigenous identity within Canada.
Yet, like Dalhousie, academic institutions across the country, such as Memorial University and the University of Saskatchewan, have taken incredibly abrupt actions to address Indigenous identity fraud.
The lasting harm of universities’ rush for Indigenous identity policies
Universities are cracking down on pretendians, but poorly designed policies are harming people with legitimate claims to Indigeneity.
policyoptions.irpp.org
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