Indirect Fires Modernization Project - C3/M777 Replacement

[KevinB]

No doubt for short runs but I believe it's more about distance and what the road and higher speed friction does to the tracks/pads. (unless it's a long slow drive into Baghdad) you might save yourself some maintenance downtime via transport

How many hundred miles do you need to move in combat?

 

[Kirkhill]

How many hundred miles do you need to move in combat?

This many?

The Great Raid of 2014, also known as the Raid of the 95th Brigade, took place from July 19 to August 10, 2014, during the war in eastern Ukraine. According to official information, units of the Ukrainian 95th Air Assault Brigade, reinforced with assets from the 25th Airborne and 30th and 51st Mechanized Brigades, conducted a 470 km raid, of which 170 km were behind enemy lines. During the raid, the 95th Brigade paratroopers entered into armed clashes with the Russian Army.

On the other hand, how long does it take to burn up a tank of diesel even if you are just jockeying your tank around the same paddock in defence?

 

[KevinB]

This many?

A few hundred KM is easily done with tracks or wheeled AFV's
Admin moves are however best done via lowbed

On the other hand, how long does it take to burn up a tank of diesel even if you are just jockeying your tank around the same paddock in defence?

Depends on the tank - turbine engines will be burning a tank every 4-6 hours regardless if in idle or flank speed.

 

[OldSolduer]

A few hundred KM is easily done with tracks or wheeled AFV's
Admin moves are however best done via lowbed

Correct. We could take the 113s from Winnipeg to Shilo quite easily. We would low bed the 577s and the TOW carriers.

 

[FJAG]

From a post on facebook which basically says it all about gunners.

The caption is "Remembering when the back of the gun tractor was our whole world."

https://www.facebook.com/groups/303413743192547/user/723453799

It defines succinctly what "once a gunner, always a gunner" really means.

 

[Colin Parkinson]

"Action Right!!!"

 

[Colin Parkinson]

What is a Portable "Anti-X Missile systems"

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Canada to Acquire Portable Anti-X Missile systems, Counter Uncrewed Aircraft Systems, and Air Defence Systems as Urgent Operational Requirements (UORs) - Canadian Defence Review

Canada is increasing its defence investments by over 70 percent between 2017 and 2026 and is making additional targeted investments in continental defence and other priority areas.

www.canadiandefencereview.com

 

[IKnowNothing]

What is a Portable "Anti-X Missile systems"

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Canada to Acquire Portable Anti-X Missile systems, Counter Uncrewed Aircraft Systems, and Air Defence Systems as Urgent Operational Requirements (UORs) - Canadian Defence Review

Canada is increasing its defence investments by over 70 percent between 2017 and 2026 and is making additional targeted investments in continental defence and other priority areas.

www.canadiandefencereview.com

Also, how the hell does a contract award for MANPAD's in 2024 qualify as Urgent?

 

[Spencer100]

In the CP140 replace thread there is an ongoing bet about what is will be replaced and amount.

Stealing that thread idea. There is a piece stating (can't be posted) that the Gov will be using UOR's to get both

What is a Portable "Anti-X Missile systems"

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Canada to Acquire Portable Anti-X Missile systems, Counter Uncrewed Aircraft Systems, and Air Defence Systems as Urgent Operational Requirements (UORs) - Canadian Defence Review

Canada is increasing its defence investments by over 70 percent between 2017 and 2026 and is making additional targeted investments in continental defence and other priority areas.

www.canadiandefencereview.com

Sorry another piece called it PAXM Portable Anti Material Missile. So my guess a multiple warhead or warshot system. anti tank and anti light vehicle or bunker type system. AT-4?

 

[Colin Parkinson]

Also, how the hell does a contract award for MANPAD's in 2024 qualify as Urgent?

For our forward deployed elements, not for the unwashed in Canada.

 

[dapaterson]

Also, how the hell does a contract award for MANPAD's in 2024 qualify as Urgent?

You can't just go to Costco to pick up AD systems. Timelines are long, particularly when we are one of many nations all scrambling for the same materiel at the same time.

 

[Spencer100]

For our forward deployed elements, not for the unwashed in Canada.

will need a unit in Canada for training.

 

[Kirkhill]

I've been wondering if this is the solution - brought to you by the people that brought you Blowpipe, Javelin and Starstreak.

Martlet - 13 kg, 8 km, Mach 1.5 (Slower than Starstreak)

It can be a SAM or an AGM. It can take out Helos, UAS, boats, LAVs and utility vehicles.

It can be Manpad, LML, Stormer, Helo, UAS , Ship or Boat mounted.

Lightweight Multirole Missile proves performance in any domain

Thales’s Lightweight Multirole Missile (LMM) system, has been proving its potential on land sea and air throughout 2019 against agile, asymmetrical surface and air threats…

www.thalesgroup.com

Martlet (missile) - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Martlet (Lightweight Multirole Missile) - Think Defence

The Thales Lightweight Multirole Missile (LMM) is called Martlet in Royal Navy service

www.thinkdefence.co.uk

 

[IKnowNothing]

You can't just go to Costco to pick up AD systems. Timelines are long, particularly when we are one of many nations all scrambling for the same materiel at the same time.

Im I wrong in the statement that "contract award" does not equal "initial delivery"? and that therfore an an earlier contract award would shorten the timeline by at least speaking for our spot in line among said scrambling nations?

 

[dapaterson]

Before contract award, you examine the market, discuss with vendors, get the plan lined up.

 

[Spencer100]

I've been wondering if this is the solution - brought to you by the people that brought you Blowpipe, Javelin and Starstreak.

Martlet - 13 kg, 8 km, Mach 1.5 (Slower than Starstreak)

It can be a SAM or an AGM. It can take out Helos, UAS, boats, LAVs and utility vehicles.

It can be Manpad, LML, Stormer, Helo, UAS , Ship or Boat mounted.

Lightweight Multirole Missile proves performance in any domain

Thales’s Lightweight Multirole Missile (LMM) system, has been proving its potential on land sea and air throughout 2019 against agile, asymmetrical surface and air threats…

www.thalesgroup.com

Martlet (missile) - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Martlet (Lightweight Multirole Missile) - Think Defence

The Thales Lightweight Multirole Missile (LMM) is called Martlet in Royal Navy service

www.thinkdefence.co.uk

At one time a division of Bombardier. LOL

 

[NavyShooter]

OK,

Here's my bet.

Divest remaining M777 to Ukraine.

Purchase 40x HIMARS
Purchase 40x Archer

Split up in inadequate amounts between various units in Canada to provide overstretched maintenance, and understretched training capability.

C-3's will get hung onto as saluting guns only.

NS

 

[OldSolduer]

You can't just go to Costco to pick up AD systems. Timelines are long, particularly when we are one of many nations all scrambling for the same materiel at the same time.

Besides have you seen the lineups at Costco?

 

[NavyShooter]

 

[KevinB]

OK,

Here's my bet.

Divest remaining M777 to Ukraine.

I don’t think the Ukraine wants them.

Purchase 40x HIMARS
Purchase 40x Archer

Most opt for a 2:1 Tube to Rocket ratio at Div Arty and below. Corps Arty is usually 1:1

Probably wouldn’t get ammo trucks for them anyway.

Split up in inadequate amounts between various units in Canada to provide overstretched maintenance, and understretched training capability.

A CA SOP.

C-3's will get hung onto as saluting guns only.

NS

I still think the 9lb’er does a better job and is significantly classier. (Albeit awkward to move as you need a 3 or 5t with lift ramp).