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Indirect Fires Modernization Project - C3/M777 Replacement

Genetk44 said:
This just popped up in todays news U.S. approves possible sale of rocket systems to Canada, Pentagon says
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Canada – M142 High Mobility Artillery Rocket Systems​


The Government of Canada has requested to buy twenty-six (26) M142 High Mobility Artillery Rocket Systems (HIMARS); one hundred thirty-two (132) M31A2 Guided Multiple Launch Rocket System (GMLRS) Unitary pods with Insensitive Munitions Propulsion System (IMPS); one hundred thirty-two (132) M30A2 GMLRS Alternative Warhead (AW) pods with IMPS; thirty-two (32) M403 Extended Range (ER) GMLRS AW pods with IMPS; thirty-two (32) M404 ER GMLRS Unitary pods with IMPS; and sixty-four (64) M57 Army Tactical Missile System (ATACMS) pods. The following non-MDE items will be included: Low Cost Reduced Range Practice Rocket pods; interactive electronic technical manuals; integration support services; spare parts; tool kits; test equipment; contractor logistics support; training; training equipment; technical assistance; technical publications; transportation; Type 1 radios (AN/PRC-160 and AN/PRC-167); 7800I intercom equipment; Simple Key Loaders (SKL); U.S. Government and contractor technical, engineering, and logistics personnel services; and other related elements of logistics and program support. The estimated total cost is $1.75 billion.
 
Australia adding to their HiMARS order

euro-sd.com

US State Department approves additional Australian HIMARS purchase - European Security & Defence

The US State Department has approved an additional Australian HIMARS FMS, the US DSCA announced on 30 September 2025.
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Australia has requested to buy 48 M142 HIMARS, with the following non-Major Defense Equipment items also included in the package: M1084A2 HIMARS resupply vehicles; M1095 trailers; Low Cost Reduced Range Practice Rocket (LCRRPR) pods; intercom systems; radio and communication mounts; spare parts and services; and various aspects of engineering, technical, logistics and programme support.

Australia is already a HIMARS operator and has so far ordered 42 such systems, the first two of which were delivered in March 2025. If it follows through with the latest approved FMS Australia could thus more than double its holding of HIMARS launchers.

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Genetk44 said:
This just popped up in todays news U.S. approves possible sale of rocket systems to Canada, Pentagon says
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What's interesting is that in both your article coming out of Canada and the article that I posted coming directly from the US 'Defense Security Cooperation Agency' is that they BOTH used the words 'potential' or 'possible' sale to Canada.

They used the words like it 'hinges on something else' occurring. Though what the something else is at this moment is anyone's guess.

"WASHINGTON, October 01, 2025 - The State Department has made a determination approving a possible Foreign Military Sale to the Government of Canada of M142 High Mobility Artillery Rocket Systems and related equipment for an estimated cost of $1.75 billion. The Defense Security Cooperation Agency delivered the required certification notifying Congress."

"The United States has approved the potential sale of more than two dozen High Mobility Artillery Rocket Systems, or HIMARS, to Canada, according to an announcement Wednesday from the U.S. State Department."
 
dapaterson said:
All FMS case approvals are phrased like that.

Nothing nefarious, nothing unusual. Just the USG approving a potential sale, depending on approval by the purchasing foreign government.
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from what i have heard that approval will come in Dec, with first payment in Jan
 
MilEME09 said:
from what i have heard that approval will come in Dec, with first payment in Jan
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Given the desire to reach 2% this FY it would not be surprising to see a number of contracts let with early payments...

Though FMS accounting is "interesting" in the sense of "US Government has a fiscal year offset by 6 months from our own, and has bizarre processes that can result in requisitions being entered now and payments being processed a decade or more in arrears, leading to PAYE chaos".

Signed, Got emails complaining about open PAYEs five years after I created them because the FMS cases were still open.
 
dapaterson said:
Given the desire to reach 2% this FY it would not be surprising to see a number of contracts let with early payments...

Though FMS accounting is "interesting" in the sense of "US Government has a fiscal year offset by 6 months from our own, and has bizarre processes that can result in requisitions being entered now and payments being processed a decade or more in arrears, leading to PAYE chaos".

Signed, Got emails complaining about open PAYEs five years after I created them because the FMS cases were still open.
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Hey some folks never get billed for FMS Sales, or don’t pay once invoiced. We just know you care about your credit rating, and want to buy more stuff, and have some money for once. ;)
 
dapaterson said:
All FMS case approvals are phrased like that.

Nothing nefarious, nothing unusual. Just the USG approving a potential sale, depending on approval by the purchasing foreign government.
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Agreed, albeit LocMart will likely make some of the CDN desired offsets contingent upon what exactly is going on with the F-35…
 
Czech_pivo said:
Well, that's alot less than what was expected I believe.

Someone else can chime in if I'm right on that. I thought that the number was around 5$ billion for this contract.
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From Noah's substack :

While not mentioned, there are still plans to acquire PRSM in the future. PRSM is one of the major reasons why HIMARS was such an obvious choice. Increment II PRSM will add an anti-ship capability, while Increment IV will extend its range beyond one thousand kilometres. I expect we will hear about that in the coming months.
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Sounds like the PRSM is a separate buy.

Interestingly, back in August the US denied the sale of PRSM and ER-GMLRs rockets to Norway.
 
The Albanese government is backing sovereign guided-weapon production, having landed a deal for Norway-based Kongsberg to assemble naval and joint strike missiles in Australia. A government deal with Lockheed Martin Australia will allow low-rate production of 300 GMLRS and a full-rate production of the 4000 GMLRS to Australia.

But as Johnson explains, in a modern war a few hundred rounds are “one day of activity – not even a day, a couple of hours”.

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www.smh.com.au

Welcome to the era of the ‘affordable’ cruise missile

Long-range cruise missiles were once expensive and in the hands of the few. Now they are being reinvented at a fraction of the cost, disrupting defence in the process.
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A few hundred rounds are one day of activity.....

Canada's purchase

26 launchers
132 pods of GMRLS-Unitary = 792 missiles
132 pods of GMRLS-Alternate = 792 missiles
32 pods of ER GMRLS-U = 192 missiles
32 pods of ER GMRLS-A = 192 missiles
64 pods of ATACMS = 64 missiles

A week's worth of activity?

The Aussies are buying 90 launchers and keeping their plant turning out 300 missiles a low rate and 4000 at full rate.

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Our November budget is going to be intriguing.
 
I like the Aussie purchase more. We need more launchers for the DoC role. Plus the Aussies have practice missiles and ammo pod handling trucks and trailers. I bet our current logistics vehicle purchase doesn't have anywhere near enough arty ammo handling vehicles.

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FJAG said:
I like the Aussie purchase more. We need more launchers for the DoC role. Plus the Aussies have practice missiles and ammo pod handling trucks and trailers. I bet our current logistics vehicle purchase doesn't have anywhere near enough arty ammo handling vehicles.

:unsure:
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is that a separate contract for the ammo handling system and vehicles?
 
suffolkowner said:
is that a separate contract for the ammo handling system and vehicles?
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For the Aussies no:

Australia has requested to buy 48 M142 HIMARS, with the following non-Major Defense Equipment items also included in the package: M1084A2 HIMARS resupply vehicles; M1095 trailers; Low Cost Reduced Range Practice Rocket (LCRRPR) pods; intercom systems; radio and communication mounts; spare parts and services; and various aspects of engineering, technical, logistics and programme support.
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For us yes. The Logistics Vehicle Modernization project has been in implementation for a year with deliveries expected to start in 2026. It's too small a project at the best of times. That's a perpetual logistics vehicles problem, but the projects are also notorious for not including sufficient log vehicles for artillery. With the current IFM project its an even bigger issue. The only hope one can have is that with the defence spending increase, these projects will be ramped up and a specialized pod handling capable system incorporated.

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FJAG said:
For the Aussies no:



For us yes. The Logistics Vehicle Modernization project has been in implementation for a year with deliveries expected to start in 2026. It's too small a project at the best of times. That's a perpetual logistics vehicles problem, but the projects are also notorious for not including sufficient log vehicles for artillery. With the current IFM project its an even bigger issue. The only hope one can have is that with the defence spending increase, these projects will be ramped up and a specialized pod handling capable system incorporated.

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so i wonder what our interim solution is?
 
And folks wondered why I thought Canada buying into FMTV was a good idea…
 
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