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Not if we prove it is in the national interest
Indirect Fires Modernization Project - C3/M777 Replacement
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We have to spend some money in Europe if we want access to SAFE I would think
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why not both? there more to europe then german armour, if we do buy Gripen that counts, M4 carl g? that counts too as examples
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100% agree.
We should be thinking beyond just buying. We should be looking to form partnerships and build things here where possible.
It will cost more, but it will give us a defense base to build on when needed.
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CV90.
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Please yes. Of every variant haha.
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I haven't seen the RFP, but the RFI had a speed provision which negated any tracked howitzer. IMHO, it was a stupid provision that's a residual of the medium wheeled army cabal. I'll be blunt - war in Latvia needs a tracked force if it wants to actualoly manoeuvre year round.
One has to look closely at the paperwork.
I've come around to the No to Gripen way of thinking. I'm with the 88 F-35 crowd and a new type of multirole aircraft that serves the role of trainer, Snowbirds and secondary combat capability. I think the Gripen is going nowhere anywhere else in the world. I dislike the Americans as much as anyone these days but there's cutting off your nose to spite your face.
There are plenty of things to spend that cash on and CV90 and BvS 10 is high on my list. Maybe conversion of our A4s to Kf51s.
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https://www.utvint.com/voyager-d12-carrier/ for DAMEI haven't seen the RFP, but the RFI had a speed provision which negated any tracked howitzer. IMHO, it was a stupid provision that's a residual of the medium wheeled army cabal. I'll be blunt - war in Latvia needs a tracked force if it wants to actualoly manoeuvre year round.
One has to look closely at the paperwork.
I've come around to the No to Gripen way of thinking. I'm with the 88 F-35 crowd and a new type of multirole aircraft that serves the role of trainer, Snowbirds and secondary combat capability. I think the Gripen is going nowhere anywhere else in the world. I dislike the Americans as much as anyone these days but there's cutting off your nose to spite your face.
There are plenty of things to spend that cash on and CV90 and BvS 10 is high on my list. Maybe conversion of our A4s to Kf51s.
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If that is the case, the only guns on the parade square will be ceremonial and no functioning howitzers for the Reserves to train on.
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The solution to that is buying more K9s and simulators not buying something gun to train on that has little to no carry over for what we intend to fight with.
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Interesting post over at the Defense Post website that looks at Canada's IFM modernization plan and thinks that Canada's plan to upgrade its 155mm guns may be going down the wrong track because it has tailored its requirements to one specific system while disregarding other better and cheaper systems.
thedefensepost.com
Is Canada’s Artillery Modernization Headed for the Same Pitfalls as the F-35?
Canada risks repeating the F-35 mistake: its artillery requirements are shaping the winner before the competition even begins.
thedefensepost.com
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That's my problem. The RFI was entirely too limiting and seemed pointed at something wheeled. I don't know why the Canadian army has this fetish for air transportability, road speed and wheels.Interesting post over at the Defense Post website that looks at Canada's IFM modernization plan and thinks that Canada's plan to upgrade its 155mm guns may be going down the wrong track because it has tailored its requirements to one specific system while disregarding other better and cheaper systems.
Is Canada’s Artillery Modernization Headed for the Same Pitfalls as the F-35?
Canada risks repeating the F-35 mistake: its artillery requirements are shaping the winner before the competition even begins.
My only hope is that there is common sense and the RFP gets cleaned up to think Korean. My biggest fear is Caesar. I could live with an RCH but would prefer not to.
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even if the RCH was trackedThat's my problem. The RFI was entirely too limiting and seemed pointed at something wheeled. I don't know why the Canadian army has this fetish for air transportability, road speed and wheels.
My only hope is that there is common sense and the RFP gets cleaned up to think Korean. My biggest fear is Caesar. I could live with an RCH but would prefer not to.
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I don't mind the RCH gun module itself albeit I'm not certain how well, fast or protected reloading its magazine works. That's why I'm not fond of Archer. I actually think that RCH is too much of a turret for a wheeled chassis. I feel there's a bit of smoke and mirrors with the Boxer chassis but have no real idea how well the 10 x 10 LAV will work. It's one thing to do demonstrations on hard surfaces or flat fields. It's another thing to operate on rutted roads, slopes, snow, plowed farm fields, swampy or soft ground, etc, etc.
For me there are two key criteria for an SP 1) how well it can manoeuvre into and out of action in all terrain, and 2) how well can you keep the beast fed with ammo so that it is never really out of action.
Both the M109 and K9 are highly manoeuvrable and have efficient limber systems. Most of the other SPs out there look like they are designed for peacetime field exercises.
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The way it's built it's going to result in a lawsuitInteresting post over at the Defense Post website that looks at Canada's IFM modernization plan and thinks that Canada's plan to upgrade its 155mm guns may be going down the wrong track because it has tailored its requirements to one specific system while disregarding other better and cheaper systems.
Is Canada’s Artillery Modernization Headed for the Same Pitfalls as the F-35?
Canada risks repeating the F-35 mistake: its artillery requirements are shaping the winner before the competition even begins.
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There are probably some vacant plants in southern Ont that could be converted.
Would we buy enough to make that valuable enterprise ?
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I suppose it would depend on how you define value.
Are we likely to produce enough to turn the plant into a profitable business? Probably not, but the ability to make things like howitzers is pretty much priceless when the shooting starts.
Perhaps we should go back to an older way of thinking. Defense industry isn't primarily a profitable business, more a cost of doing defense. If it makes a profit, thats awesome. If the GoC has to prop it up buy actually buying/replacing kit more than every 20-30 years, even more awesome.
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Not value for us, but enough value for a company to open and sustain it.
I'm sure there is business case for the XXX we buy as part of the RFP, but what then ?
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It's extra capacity to meet surge demand for kit. Kind of like the surge that hit in 2022 when Russia invaded Ukraine. The company with the most capacity to produce things is the company most likely to win contracts in those situations.
There is also the reality that Canada would likely have to become serious about defense spending, and buy more than the bare minimum of every 20-30 years. So the first 100 SPGs might be the K9A3, but in 10 years maybe we upgrade/build new K9A4s, or whatever the next SPG is.
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With how many countries are turning to south Korea. I doubt it would just be domestic orders