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Indonesia To Buy Russian Weapons

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This will make Australia nervous. While not an immediate threat to OZ it certainly could be a problem a few years down the road. The biggest concern I have is an islamist takeover of Indonesia.

http://www.strategypage.com/qnd/indones/articles/20070909.aspx

Buying $12 Billion Worth of Russian Weapons

September 9, 2007: The government finalized a billion dollar arms purchase from Russia. Easy payment terms (fifteen years) were provided. The Russians are eager to please, as this is expected to be but the first installment of a larger arms deal that could add up to $12 billion or more. This massive sale would give Indonesia dozens of Su-27/30 aircraft and ten Kilo class submarines, as well as armored vehicles, helicopters, warships and a wide array of military equipment. Indonesia has no enemies in the region, although there is some hostility towards Australia (for being richer, more powerful and part of the "West"). The new weapons don't really change the balance of power in the region. It will take years of practice for the Indonesian pilots and sailors to master their new equipment. And that assumes that the government would spend the large amounts of money needed to pay for fuel and spare parts to keep the planes in the air, and the ships at sea, for that training. Meanwhile, Australia already has more advanced subs, and equally capable aircraft. Australia is getting more capable F-35 fighters. But, basically, Indonesian fighters and subs really don't have anyone to fight, which is why it's likely politicians will find other things to do with the money their pilots and sailors want for training. 

 
That's going to make the area much more stable...  ::)

Well I guess the Aussies needed some more floating targets etc...
 
buying all that expensive kit is one thing
maintaining it is another thing alltogether different.

Unless russians intend to do the servicing themselves, what's the point?
 
geo said:
buying all that expensive kit is one thing
maintaining it is another thing alltogether different.

Unless russians intend to do the servicing themselves, what's the point?

Good point Geo. I wonder how this is going to be cover. Anyone got some details into this? Here is what I brew up about the sales. But that is it.


http://www.russia-ic.com/news/show/4689/

http://www.chinapost.com.tw/asia/2007/09/05/121224/Indonesia-to.htm

http://www.spacemart.com/reports/Indonesia_to_buy_six_Sukhoi_jets_Russia_999.html

Regards,
TN2IC
 
...and to think the Australian government gave their government over 1 billion dollars after that tidal wave!

Money well spent I see!

In reality Indonesia is the largest muslim country, with a population of around 280 million, over 16,000 islands, and each island has their own internal problems. In the next attrocity it looks like they'll be carrying out their wicked ways with Soviet equipment.

Yes maintaining it will be a nightmare, but the Indos are switched on, and overall for where they are are quite professional in their own querky way.

Wes
 
Yeah wes but, as you have said, and as we have witnessed with East Timor, Indonesia has some serious internal security problems..... and they aren't going to get better.
 
Wesley  Down Under said:
...and to think the Australian government gave their government over 1 billion dollars after that tidal wave!

Money well spent I see!

Ah, you guys must fell so warm and fuzzy.  ;)
At less the money went some place useful.

Regards,
TN2IC
 
After the fall of the soviet empire, the Russians have a huge surplus of new and used equipment, in which they will not hesitate to sell to "anyone" at bottom basement prices.

If your money is good, "hello comrade what's your pleasure" Tanks, subs, planes, please take your time and browse our vast assortment of military goods at prices you won't find anywhere else, "guaranteed". Perhaps a bottle of Vodka, while you are shopping?;D
 
Hey Wes,
Now that Indonesia has been hit by earthquaques & risks receiving a tsunami, do you think Australia will donate humanitarian aid?
 
geo said:
Hey Wes,
Now that Indonesia has been hit by earthquaques & risks receiving a tsunami, do you think Australia will donate humanitarian aid?

Watch and shoot.  ;D
 
geo said:
Hey Wes,
Now that Indonesia has been hit by earthquaques & risks receiving a tsunami, do you think Australia will donate humanitarian aid?

Ask to hold on to some of their new toys as collateral when you dole out the soft loans.   ;)  It's not unprecedented for military equipment to be used for payment; IIRC, that's the reason South Korea has Russian AFVs in the inventory.
 
geo said:
Hey Wes,
Now that Indonesia has been hit by earthquaques & risks receiving a tsunami, do you think Australia will donate humanitarian aid?

I would not give them steam off my neighbour's dog's shyte to boil and egg!

Cheers,

Wes
 
That is nothing new; the Indons have been using the PT-76, among others, for years.
Greece, Cyprus and India have been buying Russian eqpt for a long time too.

Now that being said, I do not care much for Indonesia after seeing what they did in East Timor, and have little pity for them when hit by earthquakes, tsunamis and other disasters.
What goes around comes around...
 
Gee Wes,
            that was too funny. That sure made my day. And yes I am working on a Sunday.  ;D

Regards,
TN2IC
 
Further on this, including some anecdotes dating back to InterFET about what the Indonesians were up to during that time.  Shared in accordance with the Fair Dealings provisions of the Copyright Act. 

The Bulletin Online - Indonesia bulks up naval defence

As Indonesia re-arms, details are emerging of a dangerous encounter over East Timor. By Paul Daley.
Indonesia has foreshadowed plans to buy up to 10 of the world's best conventional submarines from Russia almost eight years to the day after Australian military chiefs threatened to destroy two of Jakarta's subs off East Timor.
Defence academics and experts claim Australia has no cause to be concerned about Indonesia's planned acquisition of the Kilo-class submarines, among the most technically advanced non-nuclear ships in commission.

But intelligence sources maintain that on September 20, 1999, at the height of the Australian-led InterFET operation to liberate and secure East Timor, the Australian military effectively threatened to sink two of Indonesia's submarines. They believe that in coming years tensions between the two countries could easily escalate and Canberra should be wary of Jakarta's plans to bolster its defence force with a range of Russian hardware, also including tanks and helicopters.

"The InterFET incident serves to remind us that Indonesia has, indeed, already aggressively deployed submarines against Australian military assets and personnel and will do again if it believes that circumstances warrant it," an Australian military source told The Bulletin.

So what exactly happened in 1999? On September 19, 5000 Australian and New Zealand troops were sailing towards East Timor aboard a variety of vessels to begin their United Nations-sanctioned operations in the newly autonomous East Timor.

Sources say that Indonesia's two German-built T-209 submarines were "deployed into the theatre of operations" where they "shadowed the InterFET fleet and were operating with greater technical flair than had been anticipated".

"The submarines were hunted and, when detected, their locations were signalled to the Indonesians - an unmistakable hint that they could and would be destroyed if the threat were to escalate," a military source said. "With the shadow of power cast across the negotiating table, the Indonesian commanders immediately retired their submarines."

As the eighth anniversary of the InterFET operation nears, more details are emerging about the military tension between Australia and Indonesia at the time, including that teams of Indonesian special forces used the cover of election monitors to try to hunt and kill Australian special forces operating covertly inside East Timor. Meanwhile, Australian F-111s were ready to bomb military targets in Jakarta.

The Indonesian government finalised its plans to buy the hardware from Moscow when Russian President Vladimir Putin stopped in Jakarta en route to APEC last week.
 
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