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Informing the Army’s Future Structure

25th Inf Div commander has been developing his thoughts on his needs for his theater.

In addition to the drone platoon in the battalion multi-purpose company, and the drone company at brigade he also wants a Launched Effects company in his DivArty firing something comparable to the Shahed (long range and cheap).

At the other end he doesn't want drones at the squad level. He figures platoons can spare/manage the necessary resources to operate drones but it is overload foor his squads.

www.armytimes.com

No drones for Army squads, teams, 25th Infantry Division leader says

Amid a push to put more small drones in soldiers' hands, the Army is learning there’s a ceiling to the number of unmanned systems that units can handle.
www.armytimes.com www.armytimes.com

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I wonder how he feels about the Switchblade type LAMs.


Army, AeroVironment ink nearly $1B contract for Switchblade killer drones

The Army awarded drone maker AeroVironment a new indefinite delivery, indefinite quantity (IDIQ) contract worth up to $990 million for multiple variants of the company’s Switchblade loitering munitions.
defensescoop.com defensescoop.com

www.twz.com

Tank-Busting Switchblade 400 Joins AeroVironment's Family Of Kamikaze Drones

The Switchblade 400 leverages the larger 600 design to offer similar capabilities in a shorter-range package that a single person can employ.
www.twz.com www.twz.com

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It all makes me wonder about the big squad/small platoon versus small squads in big platoons.

A tactical entity of 16 to 24 seems to becoming popular.
 
PrairieFella said:
So Im hearing rumours, completely unsubstantiated, that 200 tanks may be on the docket to outfit two regiments. Nothing on the books obviously but that would be a game changer for the RCAC.
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CCA was in Wainwright yesterday and was asked a few questions about armoured stuff. He said he was optimistic about the VOR. With the long term support contract in Nisku the VOR will be trending positively for the first time in his career and he expects it to be much better by the summer. He did not mention anything about a new tank buy.

When asked about the CAMO orbat that has 2x Heavy Cavalry Regts, he instead referred to them as "Heavy Direct Fire" units. He then said, there was an article that just came out so I can speak about this. He then said the Griffons are due to be replaced. Then he cautioned what he was saying are options only, not picked COAs but said maybe that is Blackhawks, maybe Attack Helicopters.

So, take that as you will. One off comments from a town hall are worth what you paid for them. But maybe heavy cavalry =/= tanks
 
Ludoc said:
CCA was in Wainwright yesterday and was asked a few questions about armoured stuff. He said he was optimistic about the VOR. With the long term support contract in Nisku the VOR will be trending positively for the first time in his career and he expects it to be much better by the summer. He did not mention anything about a new tank buy.

When asked about the CAMO orbat that has 2x Heavy Cavalry Regts, he instead referred to them as "Heavy Direct Fire" units. He then said, there was an article that just came out so I can speak about this. He then said the Griffons are due to be replaced. Then he cautioned what he was saying are options only, not picked COAs but said maybe that is Blackhawks, maybe Attack Helicopters.

So, take that as you will. One off comments from a town hall are worth what you paid for them. But maybe heavy cavalry =/= tanks
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Yuh oh. There is no heavy cavalry other than tanks haha. Everything else is light or medium.
 
Ludoc said:
CCA was in Wainwright yesterday and was asked a few questions about armoured stuff. He said he was optimistic about the VOR. With the long term support contract in Nisku the VOR will be trending positively for the first time in his career and he expects it to be much better by the summer. He did not mention anything about a new tank buy.

When asked about the CAMO orbat that has 2x Heavy Cavalry Regts, he instead referred to them as "Heavy Direct Fire" units. He then said, there was an article that just came out so I can speak about this. He then said the Griffons are due to be replaced. Then he cautioned what he was saying are options only, not picked COAs but said maybe that is Blackhawks, maybe Attack Helicopters.

So, take that as you will. One off comments from a town hall are worth what you paid for them. But maybe heavy cavalry =/= tanks
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Drive me closer. I want to him him with my sword!

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Re-igniting the permanently located, 24/7 discussion.

Jobs for Class C Militia along with the local Air Defence/CUAS.
Or is it a job for a Reg that wants a stable life for the wife and kids?

www.businessinsider.com

Army National Guard soldiers are readying to defend cities from hackers

Amid increasing cyberattack risks, the Army National Guard is testing a pilot program in five cities to help local cybersecurity efforts.
www.businessinsider.com www.businessinsider.com
 
Kirkhill said:
Re-igniting the permanently located, 24/7 discussion.

Jobs for Class C Militia along with the local Air Defence/CUAS.
Or is it a job for a Reg that wants a stable life for the wife and kids?

www.businessinsider.com

Army National Guard soldiers are readying to defend cities from hackers

Amid increasing cyberattack risks, the Army National Guard is testing a pilot program in five cities to help local cybersecurity efforts.
www.businessinsider.com www.businessinsider.com
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Neither. Why do they have to soldiers/sailors/aviators? Being able to pass a FORCE test, shoot a rifle, and pass PLQ doesn't make cyber pers any better at their job. Hire public servants.

They can all still work for DND, either as part of an expanded CSE or a new agency. The CAF will need some cyber pers to defend our organic assets and provide the Government an offensive cyber strike option. But the vast majority of these new pers, strictly defending infrastructure and the economy, don't need to be a part of the CAF. If pers aren't deployable or involved in some kind of kill chain they don't need to work directly for us.
 
Ludoc said:
Neither. Why do they have to soldiers/sailors/aviators? Being able to pass a FORCE test, shoot a rifle, and pass PLQ doesn't make cyber pers any better at their job. Hire public servants.

They can all still work for DND, either as part of an expanded CSE or a new agency. The CAF will need some cyber pers to defend our organic assets and provide the Government an offensive cyber strike option. But the vast majority of these new pers, strictly defending infrastructure and the economy, don't need to be a part of the CAF. If pers aren't deployable or involved in some kind of kill chain they don't need to work directly for us.
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I think @Kirkhill was meaning for air defense/counter UAS not for the cyber security side of the link that he posted with the National Guard. I would agree with you for cyber security. They don’t need to be green blue, dark, blue, suited military personnel, but for the kinetic effect side of the house for the air defense and counter UAS I think that definitely does need to be military personnel. I am not a fan of class C for permanent positions. I think those should be line serial PY allocated to the regular force class C for service should be limited to reservist augmentees.
 
I am going to agree with both of you.

I think a lot of the new 5% of GDP budget can be used employing civilians. But is that "defenc(s)e", "security" or "war"?

Will CUAS in the homeland be an automated process attached to the infrastructure and monitored by a department of the private security force, CATSA, the government civil police ( city, province or national), a DND civil agency like CSE or CCG?

And what happens when CUAS overlaps with Air Defence and has to go kinetic?

Or when the local power grid is taken off line by a cyber hack concurrent with the release of a trailer load of Maviks at the end of the runway?
 
I know how to manage the UAV threat at a civvy airport!

The same instructions given for baggage.

"Please do not leave your drone unattended".
 
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