Informing the Army’s Future Structure
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Absolutely. As long as they dont create the Bde before the combat support trades are ready to actually support we might get there.
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Personally Im really interested in these CARBs and how they work. The idea of reserve BGs being deployed is wicked. Sign me up for a reserve subunit deployment.
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Para 21 Army Sigs Regiment
In conjunction with everything else does this mean
A regiment at Army
A regiment at both Divs (both deployable)
A regiment at the three Manoeuvre Brigades
And, because each of the Light, Fires and Support Brigades are also to be independently deployable, three more regiments for them?
Not to mention the Sigs demand for each of the 10 territorial brigades, the IRUs, the ARCGs and these CARBohydrate thingies.
Not to worry though...
Para 26 Every soldier a signaller
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It shouldn't surprise. Technology is forcing changes in the proportions of capabilities, as always. We're way past divisions of 18 infantry battalions and a couple of artillery batteries.
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Most definitely not.... probably more like 'some soldiers a signaler'.
26. All Arms soldiers trained to preform tactical signals functions. Signals MOS updated to enable all arms attendance on signals MOS courses.
My take on that is they will select suitable all arms soldiers and train them up accordingly. Especially these days, that's not a role you'd send someone to perform who wasn't up to the required standard in a bunch of skills and knowledge requirements not found in lot of troops.
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What is a signaller? The operator or the maintainer?
Even back in the 77 set days with one set per platoon/ section we distinguished between inf operators and signallers. Now with personal role radios and everybody having to be reminded to shut of their smartphones what does that relationship look like? And where do the civilian comms companies fit?
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I'll throw in my $0.02 because . . . why not?
Every deployable headquarters, regardless of level, needs a sigs component. I'll get shirty here. At brigade that should be a sigs squadron but that's in large measure because I think that brigade headquarters should be tactically agile and limited in size - something under 200 folks total and a squadron fits the bill for that.
But, if the flow is to empire build then let's call them all regiments but be aware of the fact that a brigade sigs regiment and a division sigs regiment and a joint theatre sigs regiment are significantly different animals (and that's before we get to EW etc) with different manning and equipment.
As far as brigades are concerned. Yes, each brigade - manoeuvre, combat support and combat service support - need a sigs component. Again these vary greatly. For example a manoeuvre brigade only covers a part of the divisional area both in width and depth while an arty brigade, like the divisional headquarters needs to cover the entire divisional area reaching forward to the cavalry and back to corps arty. An arty bde sigs regt (squadron) would be smaller than a div sigs regt (real regt), but its equipment capabilities similar. Plus an arty bde also needs an EW component which operates a bit differently from the div (and maybe manoeuvre bde) EW.
We currently have three RegF sigs squadrons (converting to regiments), an EW regt, (the CFJSR) and ten ARes sigs regiments. As @PuckChaser keeps reminding us we're woefully short. I'd go further, like logistics and air defence, we are criminally short of sigs (including EW). All three organizations should a) have manning increased (both RegF and ARes); b) develop a viable surge manning and training capability; and c) get the equipment that they all need as a priority. (I'd add mud gunners but I think the joint RegF and ARes numbers work and the equipment is already at the top of the list)
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I suppose you could meet the absolute minimum requirement by teaching everyone to give a contact report...
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I'm wondering if, at brigade the problem isn't related to the HQ being conflated with the Signals Squadron in the past and now the entity is defined in terms of C5ISTAR with comms onlt being part of the puzzle.
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We still do all that front line user level training, I believe, but a signaler employed at any HQ level will need a different range of skills and knowledge and have access to (and need to know how to operate) a much wider range of tools.
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On the light inf line where it talks about fires does that mean air droppable guns like pack howitzers?
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I can only guess what is intended.
Giving selected soldiers elevated comm skills (technical, procedural) is as reasonable as giving selected soldiers elevated first aid skills.
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Anything is air-droppable. Not everything is ground-landable.
