Infra Red Cadpat Name Tapes?

[armyvern]

Chapeski, don't take it too personally.  This whole issue, as you can see, brings many of us to banging our heads against a brick wall because that's less painful than thinking that some people actually don't have anything better to do with their time than worrying about things that, in the end, aren't worthy enough to worrying about.  Many of us feel that there are more pressing issues to address in CF operations today than the fact that some name tapes that people may be procuring on their own, while visibly compliant with the prescribed standard may not have the same IR-suppressive properties that our LWCC (light-weight combat clothing) has until the 2nd or 3rd time you thrown them into the washing machine...don't sweat it.

G2G

I'll second G2G's thoughts Chapeski --

Especially given that those purchased non-IR nametapes wouldn't shouldn't even been WORN outside the wire where IR sensitivity is applicable, which is THE concern mentioned in the email.

As for uniformity -- other than non-IR, they are virtually identical to the contractor supplied nametapes (and I've handled a great many of them -- official & non-official) -- uniformity is moot.

 

[danchapps]

Yeah, I just felt a bit like the goat on this one. I know the banging head syndrome from my previous career, and see both sides. Next time I'll have the java first before posting, it'll save us all a bit of thinking. Speaking of which, I'm going to grab one now.

 

[MP 811]

Going on a year and a couple months and I still haven't been issued a name tape even though it's been brought up with the CoC and CQ numerous times (and I don't think it's their fault either).

I got ya beat brother.......2 and a half years now!.....Ive gotten to the point where I wear a different name every day.  Sooner or later someone's going to get wrapped around the axle on this one!

 

[NL_engineer]

That being said, those blue types and black types in-theatre would be wearing cadpat AR, so when they went outside the wire where IR does become a distinct issue -- wearing the blue-threaded AF TW nametapes would be moot they'd be in cadpat AR nametapes

It is still covered up when they are outside the wire (by FPV and/or the TV) so this CWO's point is either outdated, or an excuse to boycott said supplier.

 

[1feral1]

......this CWO's point is either outdated, or an excuse to boycott said supplier.

Personally, I think he is just being an idiot.

Cheers,


Wes

 

[armyvern]

It is still covered up when they are outside the wire (by FPV and/or the TV) so this CWO's point is either outdated, or an excuse to boycott said supplier.

My entire quote for you ... read it again.

That being said, those blue types and black types in-theatre would be wearing cadpat AR, so when they went outside the wire where IR does become a distinct issue -- wearing the blue-threaded AF TW nametapes would be moot they'd be in cadpat AR nametapes if they were in any at all.

When are you going to tell me something that I don't know?

It's also a wee bit early to be calling the AF CCWO on this -- the email was sent after Army block leave had begun, so it's entirely possible that he is just passing on new CF direction -- which I said previously that I would either confirm OR deny once I got back to work.

It's too early in the game to be making a personal call on a CF CCWO don't you think or an insinuation that he is outdated or 'boycotting' a supplier? I'd be very careful regarding making this a personal attack -- given that ALL the facts of this email aren't yet known ... especially given that you indicate that you wear a CF uniform in your profile.    Just an experienced hint for you ... but the CF CCWO for the AF ... is still a member of the CF ... and is well aware of how to contact the Army to deal with disciplinary matters should he see reason to.

 

[Meridian]

Curious:

- How important is it for troops to have nametags beyond the wire?  I ask because I really don't know.  ArmyVern mentioned it affected DAG status.

- How complicated would it be for the Forces to say, buy a few special stitching machines?  Would the cost not be less than outsourcing? 

 

[aesop081]

- How important is it for troops to have nametags beyond the wire?   I ask because I really don't know.   ArmyVern mentioned it affected DAG status.

For god's sake, go back and read her last few posts. I dont think she could lay it out any more simple.

 

[Meridian]

For god's sake, go back and read her last few posts. I dont think she could lay it out any more simple.

I'm not sure what you are referring to?  I don't see anywhere where ArmyVern discusses the need to be able to read someone's name on their uniform outside the wire. I do see where she discusses the different types of nametapes and various uniformity and IR issues....

 

[armyvern]

Curious:

- How important is it for troops to have nametags beyond the wire?   I ask because I really don't know.   ArmyVern mentioned it affected DAG status.

- How complicated would it be for the Forces to say, buy a few special stitching machines?  Would the cost not be less than outsourcing? 

Part of the DAG requirement is that:

"Pers have been issued all entitled deployment kit IAW Scale."

Green DAG = Yes
Yellow = Awaiting kit
Red = No

Part of the scale for this particular Op is "3 X AR nametapes."

My point was, as the contractor can NOT deliver on a priority basis this item, but it IS a listed item on the scale -- it'd be very interesting indeed to see whether this would result in a switch of DAG status.

NOT having to dag someone "yellow" (as opposed to green) for deployment is exactly the reason that Clothing Stores HAS to resort to ordering those very AR nametags from the NB supplier. How ironic that is.

My point was, that given the CF policy is that NO nametags are to be worn outside the wire (where that IR factor IS important) ... the concerns outlined in the email regarding them NOT being IR --- is moot. People should NOT be wearing them outside anyway, thus concern about them NOT being IR is already addressed via the already existant CF policy.

That's what I think is silly.

 

[Meridian]

Gotcha, thanks AV.

 

[aesop081]

I'm not sure what you are referring to? 

Are you clear now ?

Thanks Vern

 

[Fishbone Jones]

Things have been clarified as much as they can be until people go back to work and dig a bit. Until then, so there's no speculation, concerning motive or otherwise, we'll lock it up. That way no one steps out of bounds and gets stepped on.

Milnet.ca Staff

 

[McG]

As well, hopefully the thermal imaging operator doesn't notice the large hot glowing blob (a.k.a. "head") about 20cm above the offending nametags!  :

The name tags work in near IR spectrum.  Therefore, while useless against thermal viewers, they will help against the guy with NVG, MNVG & II.  However, ...

I'm sure any enemy using NVGs/TIs will notice the multitude of IFF IR reflective flags, patches and strobes worn by our troops before they notice the small difference between the issued and non-issued CADPAT name tapes.

and

Further, why are soldiers who care about being detected by IR wearing nametages to begin with?

 

[armyvern]

Hmmmm, it's unlocked; and, post inbound from Matt Fisher ...

 

[Matt_Fisher]

Thanks Vern!

CP Gear manufacturers our nametapes on DND specified IR compliant CADPAT material, as per DSSPM pattern 600-02, 709-00, and 710-00.  If anybody has any questions, please feel free to contact me.

Cheers,

Matt