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Injured Vet pushing for overhaul on VAC

The system did appear to be working.  He was successfully transitioned to civi life with civi employment, and so he was give six months notice of release (this would have followed a lengthy admin review that he would have been afforded the option to represent himself to decision makes). 

This sets a bad precident.  The CoC could have supported his civi career when it was a mechanism to transition.  Now that he is staying in indefinitely, maybe it is time to call him back in to earn his CF paycheck.
 
Heres another question. There saying he can choose when to leave or at a minimum stay to the 10 year mark. So if a soldier is injured with only 3 years into their career is the military going to give them the option of staying to the 10 year mark?

VAC won't be taking a larger role anytime soon with all the cut backs and staff being cut. I do agree that there should be less interference with the CF/VAC and VAC should take a bigger role.

MCG I agree with the fact that he should be earning his CF pay. I know of others doing the same as him. For myself I come to work everyday and I feel that he isn't representing injured folk who are continuing to work in the CF very well.
 
So if he can't be employed in a meaningful way in the CF then he should sit on his ass in the JPSU office or at home until he's released?
 
Sheep Dog AT said:
So if he can't be employed in a meaningful way in the CF then he should sit on his ass in the JPSU office or at home until he's released?
No.  Now that he is fully and successfully transitioned to civi life, he should be out of the forces.  No taking a spot against our authorized strength nor collecting a free indefinite paycheck.
 
I beleive theres a point some are missing here. In Cpl Kirklands case he has been able to move on and find meaniful work and yes should be able to release. The problem lies with multiple other injured who are struggling to find meaniful work and the fact that benefits either take forever to get or are just not adequate makes living very hard for soldiers especialy with families.

Injured soldiers would move on a lot more easier if they felt they were being taken care of and not having to struggle. So many cling to the forces and avoid their release so that they can simply provide for themselves or their family. For those that think the benefits are adequate and that everything is pretty good you clearly have not been in injured folks position.

Sure soldiers know the risks of going to war but we do so believing that if something happens we will be taken care of. The system has been failing ever since the NVC came into effect and for whatever reaon the government refuses to change it for the better.
 
If he is working in the civilian work force full time, how long could he remain collecting CF paychecks and benefits?


Without trying to be unsupportive of this soldier this situation is obviously going to raise a few eyebrows.



Is a soldier who is at JPSU and working a civilian job (on regular military hours) the same as a soldier who is on sick leave/half days and working at a civilian job during the 'half day' they are not in uniform?
 
RTW is supposed to provide unpaid job placements (either within the CF & DND or within the larger civilian workforce).  If this occasionally results in a second paycheck but enables a service member to transition, then I don't see a problem.  If we want to guarantee pers will receive the military pension that they paid into, then lower the threshold from 10 years for the purpose of med releases who cannot transfer to the PS and guarantee a PS job for those who can transfer.  While we are at it amend priorety hiring to put injured service members on equal footing to workforce-adjusted PSs.

There are many in far worse position than Cpl Kirkland, but if he becomes the poster child then I worry they will suffer any corrective backlash if the public (media) determine he is exploiting a system intended to (though often not succeeding at) helping the wounded.
 
If Cpl Kirkland is to continue collecting CF pay for the next 2 years why not employ him with Brookfield? That way he still gets to do real estate but contribute to the CF under one pay cheque.
 
I totally agree he should be out of the system.  Not knowing how the system works I can't speak on why he is still being retained.
 
Politics, plain and simple.

This whole thing is really starting to piss me off. Where the frig does this little piss ant get off expecting to be treated different than me? He was wounded? On tour?

Great, me to.

I'm getting the boot. My PCat was signed in October, D MED POL done with me in Nov, DMCA done with me and release message cut in Feb.

Where the frig is my press conference where I can get national spotlight and retain my position?

Not that I'm bitter or anything. The system is churning me out as fast as it can. I can still do my job here at home. I can get posted, go on course, I'm even eligible for promotion; I'm just not allowed in an "Operational Environment" whatever the hell that means (no one on the medical side or at JPSU is able to tell me what the definition is).

The Minister, with all due respect, really needs to watch his words in the House. He's just setting up the CoC for an inundation of redresses. I'm not out till 23 Aug....mine might just be one of them.

edit: Thanks to the auto-correcter thingy for correcting my profanity.
 
Occam said:
I keep seeing this...have you verified with the pension people and/or CRA to determine if you can use the transfer value to borrow against for purposes of the Home Buyer's Plan?  Based on what I'm seeing from numerous sources, I don't think you're allowed to do that.  The transfer value deposited to your RRSP is locked-in.

Occam,

Half of the value is locked in till I'm 60. The other $40k is mine.  I've decided to pop it into RRSPs then take it out later.  A slight savings on taxes, rather then taking the full $40k - capital gains.

It's all legal, I'll just eat the $40k in income at the end of the year.  Thankfully the bank will withhold a percentage for taxes.  So, it should all work out.

Unless VAC comes through with the $$ I'm supposed to get for my claims  :rofl:

So it's a waiting game as I get my house ready to sell, and watch the one I want, hoping it doesn't get sold. :-[


Wookilar:

There is always more to a story than what's on the surface isn't there?  I agree, if his transition has been completed.  The rules say, bye bye.  If he's being retained for x years.  Then according to the Regulations he cannot work as a civvie, plain and simple.

Otherwise, I want back into JPSU/IPSC. I never should have been released either.  I'll go find me another job and collect both checks too.  My debtors would love it.  So would my wife. 

Sniff, sniff wrongful dismissal? I can hear the lawyers salivating already.

My parents always taught me:

"What's good for the Goose is good for the Gander"
 
From the G&M

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/national/wounded-soldier-wins-right-to-stay-in-military-but-confusion-lingers-about-other-cases/article12486181/

 
Wookilar said:
Politics, plain and simple.

This whole thing is really starting to piss me off. Where the frig does this little piss ant get off expecting to be treated different than me? He was wounded? On tour?

Great, me to.

I'm getting the boot. My PCat was signed in October, D MED POL done with me in Nov, DMCA done with me and release message cut in Feb.

Where the frig is my press conference where I can get national spotlight and retain my position?

Not that I'm bitter or anything. The system is churning me out as fast as it can. I can still do my job here at home. I can get posted, go on course, I'm even eligible for promotion; I'm just not allowed in an "Operational Environment" whatever the hell that means (no one on the medical side or at JPSU is able to tell me what the definition is).

The Minister, with all due respect, really needs to watch his words in the House. He's just setting up the CoC for an inundation of redresses. I'm not out till 23 Aug....mine might just be one of them.

edit: Thanks to the auto-correcter thingy for correcting my profanity.

This piss ant is trying to get benefits for all those in his boat you ungrateful fuck.
 
What benefits? The rules on collecting a pension are how old? How many people have been injured and released before their 10 year mark? But this guy, who appears to be making a go of it on his own, makes an appearance on the Hill, and he's special?

I don't think you understand what a can of worms this guy is opening up.

There or more than a few people out there "in his boat." I'm going to guarantee  right now that none of them are getting treated like he his (or will be).

He is being treated differently because of the spotlight.

Keeping all injured in until they can collect whatever % of pension that will satisfy them will be an administrative nightmare. He doesn't get his 20% and is not happy? Great, I'm not happy with my career being cut short 15 years before I am ready either.

Where does it stop? The line is clear, and frankly, is fair I think. If there are issues with his employment/career earnings after leaving, that's a question for the VAC programs, not for the CAF to bend over backwards and break our own rules for special cases.

The rules on second jobs while transitioning out are extremely strict for a number of reasons. If this guy is making enough money to afford renting an office in the Canex mall...well you make up your own mind on that one. Want to work your Voc Rehab in real estate for your last 6 months? Sure no problem, just not allowed to make any money at while you are doing so, UNTIL you are released. He has had years to prepare, he has used the system to full effect. He is ready.

Working a second job after hours is EXTREMELY different than working a job, and making money, while you are on active duty.

Sounds to me like he's doing ok, with or without a pension. As far as caring for his injuries go, that's a VAC question and will cost him nothing (monetarily).
 
Folks, let's wrestle with the issues, not with each other.

Milnet.ca Staff
 
The cure for everything here is to bring back a pension system for injuries instead of a lump sum. I think a large part of these problems would then disappear and I think the majority of the injured would be much happier with that knowing they have that pension amount there for life.
 
I'm not really following the thread but what about "SISIP-LTD" which he was obviously paying into and did he not take out additional insurance prior to deployment which every member is encouraged to do?

The Minister can't just authorize this, it opens the door for multiple grievances both past and present.....
 
DAA said:
I'm not really following the thread but what about "SISIP-LTD" which he was obviously paying into and did he not take out additional insurance prior to deployment which every member is encouraged to do?

The Minister can't just authorize this, it opens the door for multiple grievances both past and present.....

SISIP pays out if you have loss of limb. It also pays out 75% of your pay at time of release unless you are a reservist then it is 75% at time of injury. Also theres suppose to be a minimum of a pre tax amount of $40k in case your injured as a pte. Now I have heard conflicting reports about the minimum amount of some not recieving that but can't say for sure. You are given 2 years with SISIP then you move over to VAC if you require to continue on that if you meet VACs criteria. Thats how I understand it. If I'm wrong please correct me.
 
Just to let you know, Glen was the driver of a LAV that was  hit by an 82 mm anti tank round on 3 Sep 2008.
It hurts me to see this infighting.
milnews.ca said:
Folks, let's wrestle with the issues, not with each other.

Milnet.ca Staff

I quite agree. Stop fighting each other.
 
The Minister opposition sends a message to the military - highlights mine ....
An attempt to hold military officers to account for allegedly trying to intimidate an injured Canadian soldier into toning down his testimony before a parliamentary committee has been smothered behind closed doors.

The House of Commons defence committee met for almost an hour out of the public eye on Wednesday to deal with a motion by Liberal MP John McKay over the case of Cpl. Glen Kirkland.

Following the meeting, the only thing McKay and New Democrat defence critic Jack Harris would say was that the motion, which called on the committee to ask the Commons to investigate the alleged intimidation, no longer existed.

Neither of them were allowed to say whether the motion had been voted down or withdrawn because proceedings that happen behind closed doors are to remain secret.

(....)

Conservative MPs, who form a majority on the committee, used their numbers to force the closed-door session, which have become more and more common around Parliament, even on routine matters.

"Witness tampering is a serious offence," said McKay. "By instructing Cpl. Kirkland to stay 'within his arcs' his commanding officers were instructing him to withhold information from the committee, making it virtually impossible for parliamentarians to understand the issues that ill and injured members of the Canadian Forces face."

The Canadian military claims it was only offering communications guidance when it issued those instructions
, but both Opposition parties say they look at it as an attempt to stifle the flow of information, particularly the kind that embarrasses the government.

"It is important in a functional democracy that Canadians have the ability to speak freely to their parliamentarians, especially when their experiences can be of help to the committee," McKay said ....

DAA said:
The Minister can't just authorize this, it opens the door for multiple grievances both past and present ....
You're right about the bit in orange, but on the yellow bit, the Minister can (alternative link to QR&O ref here), and he did.

Typically, Ministers get bureaucratic advice before making decisions - I presume the Defence Minister gets uniform military advice, too.  One has to wonder how much of either was involved in the making of this decision.

edited to fix McKay-MacKay mixup
 
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