Interested in volunteering my time to Cadets - info?

[Deleted member 9665]

Quick tricky question for you guys,

lets say a Pres member in B class is interested in doing some volunteer work with a cadet unit;

would you prefer to give time to a cadet unit supported by his own unit or, would you prefer to give time to a unit were he is employed during his B class???

thanks for point of view....

 

[gwp]

Quick tricky question for you guys, lets say a Pres member in B class is interested in doing some volunteer work with a cadet unit;
would you prefer to give time to a cadet unit supported by his own unit or, would you prefer to give time to a unit were he is employed during his B class???thanks for point of view....

Where can he contribute to the best advantage of the cadets and the cadet program? Where does he want to contribute?
Those are the only two questions that matter. 
Taking some of the strain at an under manned corps/squadron would make more sense than being supernumary at a well staffed corps/squadron.

 

[rwgill]

Quick tricky question for you guys,

lets say a Pres member in B class is interested in doing some volunteer work with a cadet unit;

would you prefer to give time to a cadet unit supported by his own unit or, would you prefer to give time to a unit were he is employed during his B class???

thanks for point of view....

Hmmmm.............that's a tough question.  The best answer that I could give you is, check with your supervisor(s) and the Cadet Corps.

I have worked with different Army Cadet Corps who have had different affiliated units and very, very different relationships. 

One unit received outstanding support from the affiliated unit, but only members of the affiliated unit were permitted to help out the Cadet Corps.  There was actually a waiting list of PRes members who wanted to help out.  At the time, the CO of the affiliated unit gave 1 day paid for every month volunteered and 1 day paid for every weekend volunteered to Class A members.  The CO gave days off, in lieu of pay, to Class Bs.

Another Cadet Corps had virtually no contact with its affiliated unit and no relationship, so any help was very appreciated.

The Cadet Corps I am currently with has no problem with "outsiders" helping out (nor does the affiliated unit).  The affiliated unit provides members when possible.

I would never turn down help, as long as I had meaningful work for the volunteer.

 

[BinRat55]

Not all cadet corps has an affiliated unit - in fact, unit affiliation is almost impossible here in NL. All corps however, have a supporting base. As stated above in GWP's post, find out which one needs the most help. Talk to their COs and CLOs. Which is most beneficial to you? Are you 5Km away from one and 50Km from the other? Is one in greater need of your time?

 

[rwgill]

Not all cadet corps has an affiliated unit - in fact, unit affiliation is almost impossible here in NL.

I am curious to know which Army Cadet Corps have no affiliated unit.

 

[BinRat55]

I am curious to know which Army Cadet Corps have no affiliated unit.

I never said "Army Cadets" I said "Cadets" - there are two other elements.

 

[NL_engineer]

Not all cadet corps has an affiliated unit - in fact, unit affiliation is almost impossible here in NL. All corps however, have a supporting base. As stated above in GWP's post, find out which one needs the most help. Talk to their COs and CLOs. Which is most beneficial to you? Are you 5Km away from one and 50Km from the other? Is one in greater need of your time?

I think that may only be the ones in your neck of the woods, because if I remember correctly the ones on the two costs have affiliated units.  For example the RNFR, and 56 ES both have affiliated units (last time I checked [a couple years ago])

 

[armyvern]

I am curious to know which Army Cadet Corps have no affiliated unit.

Well, I guess you could use this link and look each of them up indivdually ...

From the Cadet Canada website linked here, here is the listing of Cadet Corps located within Newfoundland & Labrador (Air, Sea and Army).

 

[sapperboysen]

I am curious to know which Army Cadet Corps have no affiliated unit.

3004 Nanook RCACC (Cambridge Bay) is affiliated with Northern Region Headquarters, not really a regiment.

 

[gwp]

In a roundabout way, that happens anyway. I really don't see the need to "CYA" for doing something good like volunteer your free time to help a youth group - especially one with ties to DND, but those who want it noted for PER purposes will inform their immediate supervisor. As well, any CO who is worth their salt will obtain the individual's supervisor's contact info and send appreciations on behalf of that individual. The word "permission" is what i'm hung up on...

Here is the Chief of military personnel policy regarding the employment of PRes and SupR pers within the cadet program.

CHIEF MILITARY PERSONNEL INSTRUCTION 20/04
2.11  P Res and Supp Res Mbrs - Res Svc with Cadet Organizations
a. A mbr of the P Res, or a mbr att from the Supp Res, who is serving with the CIC is subject to the conditions under CFAO 49-6, Annex A;
b. A mbr of the P Res or a mbr att from the Supp Res serving on Cl “A” Res Svc in support of  Cadet related activities, are still required to sign a Res F Basic Attendance Register (CF 895). This service must be authorized by the P Res CO for a mbr of the P Res, with concurrence from the Cadet CO, and by the Host Unit CO for a mbr of the Supp Res.  Cadet Region Commander authority is required when the service is funded by the Cadet organization.  The appropriate fin coding shall be provided to the P Res unit or the Host Unit of the Supp Res mbr through the appropriate chain of command.

 

[Burrows]

Employment is different than volunteering.

 

[gwp]

Employment is different than volunteering.

I presume you are being narrow in your definition to mean one is paid is one is not.    That does not however change the aspects of liability or accountability of the member to do his/her duty or the CF to look after the member appropriatly.  That is why volunteers are different from CIs and undertake a separate volunteer agreement.  That is why CFAO 49-6 was revised wrt to volunteer service and other support arrangements were put in place. 

 

[rwgill]

Well, I guess you could use this link and look each of them up indivdually ...

From the Cadet Canada website linked here, here is the listing of Cadet Corps located within Newfoundland & Labrador (Air, Sea and Army).

Gee thanks.

I had already done that before I asked the question

Traditionally, affiliation is an Army Cadet thing, though there are cases of affiliation in both the Sea and Air Cadets.  IAW the respective QR&O (Cadets) and CATOs, affiliation is not required.  To the best of my knowledge, every Army Cadet Corps in Canada has an affiliated unit.  An affiliated unit can be any military unit, including administrative units, as decided upon by the CDS (VCDS).

 

[armyvern]

Gee thanks.

I had already done that before I asked the question

Traditionally, affiliation is an Army Cadet thing, though there are cases of affiliation in both the Sea and Air Cadets.  IAW the respective QR&O (Cadets) and CATOs, affiliation is not required.  To the best of my knowledge, every Army Cadet Corps in Canada has an affiliated unit.  An affiliated unit can be any military unit, including administrative units, as decided upon by the CDS (VCDS).

Did you go as far as me to copy and paste each cadet corps' name into google to find their Unit site and see which ones are affiliated with Reg/Res Units or not? 

I presume not, as you stated that you wondered which ones weren't. And, by doing such - you'd have had your answer.

 

[rwgill]

Not really Vern.  There are far better resources out there.  Sometimes, all it takes is a 30 second phone call.  The majority of Army Cadet Corps in NL are affiliated to the Royal Newfoundland Regiment.  Other affiliations are 727 Comm Sqn, 728 Comm Sqn and 56 Service Battallion.  There were 5 Corps which had no affiliation mentioned, but since my own Cadet Corps was listed (still) as "Hudson Bay", I assume that there is a small back log of information.

I asked the question for clarification.  Perhaps BinRat was unaware of the affiliation requirement and by his response, that was the case. 

 

[armyvern]

I asked the question for clarification.  Perhaps BinRat was unaware of the affiliation requirement and by his response, that was the case. 

Don't be so sure that's the case ...

He happens to be RegF in Nfld ... actually supporting some of those cadet corps ... not all RCACC either ...

 

[NL_engineer]

Not really Vern.  There are far better resources out there.  Sometimes, all it takes is a 30 second phone call.  The majority of Army Cadet Corps in NL are affiliated to the Royal Newfoundland Regiment.  Other affiliations are 727 Comm Sqn, 728 Comm Sqn and 56 Service Battallion.  There were 5 Corps which had no affiliation mentioned, but since my own Cadet Corps was listed (still) as "Hudson Bay", I assume that there is a small back log of information.

I asked the question for clarification.  Perhaps BinRat was unaware of the affiliation requirement and by his response, that was the case. 

Me think you have two units mixed up

56 ES and 36 SVC

 

[NL_engineer]

Did you go as far as me to copy and paste each cadet corps' name into google to find their Unit site and see which ones are affiliated with Reg/Res Units or not? 

I presume not, as you stated that you wondered which ones weren't. And, by doing such - you'd have had your answer.

I just quickly tried and came up with no websites.

 

[armyvern]

I just quickly tried and came up with no websites.

Try "Newfoundland cadet corps" (ask for "Canadian" sites only - so much less crap to wade through ...)

ah man ...

You guys are going to make me post them up aren't you ... (I should have written them down when I googled the other night). 

 

[rwgill]

You guys are going to make me post them up aren't you ... (I should have written them down when I googled the other night). 

One valuable resource is www.armycadethistory.com .  The site is owned by the Army Cadet League of Canada.