Iran Super Thread- Merged

[Cloud Cover]

Is that the SSGN that was spotted surfaced in the Med transferring special operations assets aboard?

I don’t know.

Edit: with the 1\4 rule, at most there could be 2 lurking. The USN supposedly only has 4 of them.

 

[ytz]

Holy Thursday purge:

https://twitter.com/x/status/2039866517311955062

Guessing these were the stars that told them their upcoming plans are a bad idea....

 

[ytz]

But, yes, the headlines will be that the US and Israel retreat with their tails between their legs.

And they're right so far.

Let's recap. 5 weeks, $50B spent, and a dozen casualties. To give Iran control of the Strait. And that's exactly how the rest of the world, notably people and governments in the region see this.

The administration can define whatever criteria they want. If the war leaves everybody else worse off, those other parties will not see it as success. And that's aside from the difference between tactical and strategic victory.

Question. Do you think the US and NATO won in Afghanistan?

 

[OldSolduer]

Question. Do you think the US and NATO won in Afghanistan?

No. We lost despite winning every battle or at least most.

I am still pissed that we gave 158 lives for what?

 

[ytz]

No. We lost despite winning every battle or at least most.

I am still pissed that we gave 158 lives for what?

Exactly. How many Taliban and Al Qaeda leaders were killed? How many bombmakers were killed? How many training camps destroyed? How many weapons seized and destroyed? Tactically the coalition dominated.

And yet the Taliban is back in power. Worse for us, the Americans are absolutely ungrateful for everything we did.

Brad's assertion reminds me of the difference between MOPs and MOEs. Counting how many bombs you dropped doesn't actually tell you if you're winning. It may tell you that you're killing the enemy. But that may or may not be related to winning.

 

[rmc_wannabe]

Exactly. How many Taliban and Al Qaeda leaders were killed? How many bombmakers were killed? How many training camps destroyed? How many weapons seized and destroyed? Tactically the coalition dominated.

The same way the U.S. and it's partners dominated in Vietnam

And yet the Taliban is back in power. Worse for us, the Americans are absolutely ungrateful for everything we did.

The Taliban, frankly, waited out the end game. The ANDSF had no chance to put up a credible defence, and that was due to the decisions of DJT to "make a deal" and end U.S. support to the Kabul government.

The current U.S. administration is twisting the knife now to justify their place as pariahs within the international communit. Most Americans with a connection to the Afghan mission know who we were, what we did there, and are grateful for our efforts and sacrifice.

Brad's assertion reminds me of the difference between MOPs and MOEs. Counting how many bombs you dropped doesn't actually tell you if you're winning. It may tell you that you're killing the enemy. But that may or may not be related to winning.

100%

If wars were won by stacking bodies alone, history would be very different.

The breaking of your enemy's will to fight is the primary objective; and here are many ways to do that. I think Iran putting the West's nuts in a vise economically has demonstrated that perfectly