Iran Super Thread- Merged

[ytz]

https://twitter.com/x/status/2044488318759383540

 

[Colin Parkinson]

Release the AI Memes bots!!

 

[QV]

I don't spend a lot of time on what he says, as it will change week, from week.

Many Cdns are not used to leaders changing tack when the situation changes.

 

[Kirkhill]

It's the administration itself that keeps saying the war will be over shortly. If they miss the targets that they profess in public, that's their problem.

I stopped listening to the administration about a year ago.

Trump is as useful as a NIxie.

 

[Oldgateboatdriver]

https://twitter.com/x/status/2044488318759383540

Was that Jesus, or the Occulted Imam?

 

[ytz]

Was that Jesus, or the Occulted Imam?

Well it's the Borgia version of Jesus. Not the guy who was an actual Levantine Jew. So.....

 

[Navy_Pete]

....

Doesn't appear to me as if there might not be reasonable cause.

And none of that applied to a Chinese flagged ship, bringing cargo from UAE going through the Strait, which was being discussed as a 'blockade runner'.

Aside from tracking AIS, it's pretty negligible to check the actual cargo embarkation with other independent open source information, and basic things like harbour traffic reports, and you can also see the ship movement on things like satelite imaging.

 

[HavokFour]

Oh boy, this kind of statement totally wont backfire.

We might be about to see who actually wears the pants in this partnership.

Trump says Israel barred from bombing Lebanon: 'Enough is enough'

President Donald Trump said the United States has barred Israel from further bombing in Lebanon, striking an unusually harsh tone with the longtime U.S. ally while stressing that any U.S. deal ‌with Iran is not linked to the Lebanon conflict.

www.reuters.com

 

[HavokFour]

And closing again.

Iran says Strait of Hormuz will close again amid US blockade​

 

[HavokFour]

Logistics problem? I know this can occasionally happen on submarines near the end of longer deployments, but surface ships?

Have a look at the mystery meat being served on the Abraham Lincoln with a side of carrots.

Cookies, deodorant, socks. Iran war puts military packages in limbo

Thousands of boxes sent to service members in Middle East are stuck in limbo. The Postal Service has indefinitely suspended delivery amid Iran war.

www.usatoday.com

 

[Czech_pivo]

And closing again.

Iran says Strait of Hormuz will close again amid US blockade​

Stock market closed.

 

[QV]

Iran’s wishes don’t matter. The only thing they can do is meet the US demands.

If not, all Trump needs to do is destroy Kharg Island, and destroy dual use infrastructure in Iran to finish them off.

 

[brihard]

Iran’s wishes don’t matter. The only thing they can do is meet the US demands.

If not, all Trump needs to do is destroy Kharg Island, and destroy dual use infrastructure in Iran to finish them off.

Thinking that’s the only thing Iran can do is a big part of what’s led to this mess. Up to this point they have shown exactly the availability of and will to use other options that was predicted by basically everyone except those making the actual political decisions. Thinking that’s has suddenly changed would be silly.

 

[QV]

What exactly have they done besides indiscriminately lob missiles at its neighbours? Threaten to close the straight (again)?

What do you suppose they’ve done that hasn’t been predicted and planned for probably for the last 50 years?

Iran is defeated, just how badly depends on them right now.

This isn’t a mess, this is a catastrophe, but for Iran and its proxies.

 

[brihard]

What exactly have they done besides indiscriminately lob missiles at its neighbours? Threaten to close the straight (again)?

Those attacks have not been as indiscriminate as you’d like to describe- not in the sense of they’re shooting at nothing in particular. On the contrary they’ve landed a lot of very specific hits on key economic infrastructure, and clearly are still able to do much more if they wish. Don’t mistake the fact that they’ve made hits all over the gulf, and that a lot of shots have been inaccurate, with their attacks being indiscriminate as a whole. There’s a method to their targeting. If war is politics by other means, then the political import of economic hits cannot be ignored.

What do you suppose they’ve done that hasn’t been predicted and planned for probably for the last 50 years?

Nothing. Which is why it’s bananas that SECDEF et al were apparently taken by surprise at this. But taken by surprise they were, and the U.S. was unprepared to immediately defend freedom of navigation in the Strait.

Iran is defeated, just how badly depends on them right now.

Based on what metric? What are the strategic objectives of the Iranian government? Has their conventional military been trounced? Absolutely. That does not necessarily mean defeat

This isn’t a mess, this is a catastrophe, but for Iran and its proxies.

And for many others. I take it you’ve not been paying much attention to the profound fuel and petrochemical crisis the Asia pacific is facing? Or the potential massive shortfalls in fertilizer, or in chemical feedstock for generic medications? The strait has not reopened, very little cargo of any sort is moving, and economic followed by human crises are at the doorstep for a number of countries. We’re insulated by time, distance, and how long it takes ships to sail,as well as our own significant wealth, but North American consumers will not be immune to the effects.

 

[OldSolduer]

Release the AI Memes bots!!

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