Iran Super Thread- Merged

[Jarnhamar]

Iran 100% needs a regime change and leaving them how they currently are is like leaving a loaded pistol in a toddlers hands.

The US kicked a hornet nest and now everyone's getting stung. Everyone needs to come together and deal with the hornet nest.

The problem is the US is (currently) even less trust worthy than said hornet nest and countries have a legitimate reason to believe the US will leave them holding the bag and dealing with said hornets on their own.

 

[daftandbarmy]

Iran 100% needs a regime change and leaving them how they currently are is like leaving a loaded pistol in a toddlers hands.

The US kicked a hornet nest and now everyone's getting stung. Everyone needs to come together and deal with the hornet nest.

The problem is the US is (currently) even less trust worthy than said hornet nest and countries have a legitimate reason to believe the US will leave them holding the bag and dealing with said hornets on their own.

And the US has done such a bad job that, astonishingly, everyone is starting to feel sorry for the hornets

 

[ytz]

Want a voice, pull up to the table with something other than convening.

What if people don't like your table anymore ?

The administration routinely devalues others contributions and routinely says they don't need the help. What guarantee is there, anybody else would get any say? Heck, his own cabinet doesn't get any say.

There's no point in anybody else participating. That's not hating on the US or whatever else others are dreaming. That's simply accepting reality. It's all downside. If another country participates, their own population will be mad. They won't get any say. And if anything goes badly, they'll get blamed. The upside is maybe they get rid of the regime? And then what? Another potential refugee crisis in Europe?

@KevinB I genuinely respect your reasoned and moderate view here. I don't even necessarily disagree with. But I urge you to put yourself in the shoes of the average European and think through how American foreign policy has worked out for them over the last 20 years. Especially in the Middle East.

 

[QV]

The problem with the "dual use" formulation is that a bridge can transport a truck and a tank. If you take out a bridge because a tank will cross it the tank will cross at another bridge. Therefore all bridges are dual use and legitimate targets.

Likewise with power stations powering homes, hospitals and command centres.

Dual use justifies us spending military dollars on civilian infrastructue. It also justifies our enemies employing military force against civilian infrastructure funded by military dollars.

I see that as a problem for Iran.