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[GR66]

Deals with Trump appear to be worth next to nothing. Why would we compromise our own credibility by putting a Canadian stamp on anything he’ll probably just reneg on and abandon when it’s convenient or he feels like it or someone else involved hurt his feelings?

The difference I think here is that Trump and Iran would both like a way out of this that they can claim as some sort of victory. Both of them lose be this continuing. The difficult part for them is accepting a deal "imposed" by the other. A deal from an outside party would be easier for them to accept.

 

[brihard]

The difference I think here is that Trump and Iran would both like a way out of this that they can claim as some sort of victory. Both of them lose be this continuing. The difficult part for them is accepting a deal "imposed" by the other. A deal from an outside party would be easier for them to accept.

Neither are trustworthy. There’s no benefit to Canada worth the risk of getting dragged into the quagmire.

 

[Altair]

Neither are trustworthy. There’s no benefit to Canada any nation worth the risk of getting dragged into the quagmire.

Fixed your post

 

[Altair]

The difference I think here is that Trump and Iran would both like a way out of this that they can claim as some sort of victory. Both of them lose be this continuing. The difficult part for them is accepting a deal "imposed" by the other. A deal from an outside party would be easier for them to accept.

To make a deal you need to trust that both sides abide by it.

Do you trust Trump or Bibi?

 

[HavokFour]

Oddly, this has gone somewhat under the radar without much fanfare.

Beijing Tells China Firms to Ignore US Sanctions on Refiners​

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What is China’s anti-sanctions law and how does it work?

Beijing's order blocking US sanctions on five oil refineries marks first invocation of 2021 law.

www.aljazeera.com

China orders firms to ignore US Iran sanctions, daring US to enforce crackdown

China orders firms to defy U.S. sanctions on Iranian oil in what analysts call an unprecedented escalation of Beijing's resistance to Washington.

www.foxnews.com

 

[GR66]

Neither are trustworthy. There’s no benefit to Canada worth the risk of getting dragged into the quagmire.

What quagmire would we (or another nation) "get dragged into" by presenting a ceasefire deal that you've already felt them both out on for approval behind the scenes before presenting it publicly? If they don't express interest you don't go public. You're simply giving them domestic political cover by being able to accept a deal presented by someone other than their opponent.

I'm not suggesting in any way that we be responsible for enforcing anything. Is it better to let this drag on indefinitely because neither wants to be seen as blinking first?

 

[Altair]

What quagmire would we (or another nation) "get dragged into" by presenting a ceasefire deal that you've already felt them both out on for approval behind the scenes before presenting it publicly? If they don't express interest you don't go public. You're simply giving them domestic political cover by being able to accept a deal presented by someone other than their opponent.

I'm not suggesting in any way that we be responsible for enforcing anything. Is it better to let this drag on indefinitely because neither wants to be seen as blinking first?

I thought this is what Pakistan has already been doing?

It went sideways off thr hop.

The pakistan ceasefire included lebanon in the text, the iranians agreed. Israel wasn't consulted, said Eff that, and continued bombing hezbollah. The ceasefire has been on shaky ground ever since and Iran no longer trusts what is coming out of pakistan because Pakistan makes a deal with the americans and dont communicate with the israelis who do whatever they please and then the americans bavktrack on the deal they agreed with pakistan.

Why bother.