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Iraq in Crisis- Merged Superthread

Off topic yes-


But, Every since this whole thing started and I see ISIS this ISIS that,

All I can picture is Archer and Lana running through Iraq shooting the place up from that damn cartoon. With that cyborg guy running behind them and Archers drunk mother hanging out trying to sleep with Obama

Those of you that dont know about the Archer show, check it out.

 
Not quite the US intervention that some were expecting:

Military.com

US Begins Humanitarian Airdrops in Northern Iraq

Aug 07, 2014 | by Richard Sisk
The U.S. began a series of airdrops of relief supplies Thursday to civilians fleeing Islamic militants in northern Iraq while holding off on bombing runs against the fighters of the Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant.

A Pentagon official said that "the effort has begun" with airdrops by Air Force C-130 and C-17 cargo planes escorted by fighters to thousands of Christians and members of the Yazadi ethnic minority stranded without food or water by the fighting, CBS News reported.

The U.S. was also giving added consideration to airstrikes in northern Iraq following ISIL advances but White House officials gave no indication Thursday that bombing was imminent.

(...EDITED)
 
Air strikes are being conducted in northern Iraq.The Pentagon has denied US involvement. ;)
Maybe the Iraqi Air Force decided to get in the game before it was too late ?
 
Officially no US air strikes yet, though Obama set a final red line on Iraq...

Canadian Press via Yahoo News

Obama authorizes airstrikes in Iraq if Islamic militants advance toward city of Irbil
The Canadian Press

By Julie Pace And Robert Burns, The Associated Press

WASHINGTON - President Barack Obama announced Thursday night he had authorized the U.S. military to launch targeted airstrikes if needed to protect Americans from Islamic militants in northern Iraq, threatening to revive U.S. military involvement in the country's long sectarian war.

He also said the U.S. military had carried out airdrops of humanitarian aid to Iraqi religious minorities under siege by the extremists.


"Today America is coming to help," he said in a late-night statement from the White House.

The announcements reflected the deepest American engagement in Iraq since U.S. troops withdrew in late 2011 after nearly a decade of war.

Obama said the humanitarian airdrops were made at the request of the Iraqi government. The food and water supplies were delivered to the tens of thousands of Yazidis trapped on a mountain without food and water. The Yazidis, who follow an ancient religion with ties to Zoroastrianism, fled their homes after the Islamic State group issued an ultimatum to convert to Islam, pay a religious fine, flee their homes or face death.

(...EDITED)
 
And about bloody time too.  There should have been strikes going out months ago...
 
S.M.A. said:
.......though Obama set a final red line on Iraq...
Same "red line" as the one set against Assad's use of chemical weapons? 
 
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2014-08-08/us-aircraft-strike-islamic-state-positions-in-iraq3a-pentagon/5659816

Apparently the red line has been crossed.
 
Journeyman said:
Same "red line" as the one set against Assad's use of chemical weapons?

Well fortunately for the Christians, Kurds and Yazidi minority groups in Irbil, this time he just acted, instead of consulting Congress as he did with Syria.

Apparently the red line has been crossed and strikes have begun

ABC News

US aircraft strike Islamic State positions in Iraq: Pentagon
Updated 8 Aug 2014, 11:46pmFri 8 Aug 2014, 11:46pm


United States military aircraft have conducted an airstrike against Islamic State artillery used against Kurdish forces defending the city of Erbil, near US personnel, a Pentagon spokesman said.

Two F/A-18 aircraft dropped laser-guided bombs on a mobile artillery piece near Erbil at 1:45pm local time (8:45pm AEST), Pentagon press secretary Rear Admiral John Kirby said in a statement.

(...EDITED)
 
S.M.A. said:
Well fortunately for the Christians, Kurds and Yazidi minority groups in Irbil, this time he just acted, instead of consulting Congress as he did with Syria.

Apparently the red line has been crossed and strikes have begun

ABC News

And now we wait for the inevitable contrarian view from the Republicans that Obama is making war without consulting Congress and we shouldn't be involved and we need to rein this guy in, it's unlimited spending that will add to the national debt, etc. Dollars to donuts that Lindsey Graham and John McCain come out against this after spending all summer calling for it.

US Politics.  :facepalm:
 
The strikes continue even as more forces are marshalled in the Persian Gulf...

Military.com

US Begins Bombing Islamic Rebels in Northern Iraq

Aug 08, 2014 | by Richard Sisk
U.S. warplanes and drones carried out a series of airstrikes Friday against fighters of the Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant threatening the Kurdish capital of Irbil in northern Iraq.
In quick succession, the U.S. airstrikes targeted an ISIL mobile artillery piece, a mortar position and a convoy of vehicles, said Rear Adm. John Kirby, the Pentagon press secretary.

The bombing began when two Navy FA-18 Super Hornets flying off the carrier George H.W. Bush in the Persian Gulf struck the first blows in the latest U.S. effort to create a stable and secure Iraq.

In an early morning strike, the F-18s dropped 500-pound, laser-guided bombs on mobile artillery pieces used by ISIL fighters who have surged to within 30 miles of Irbil.

In the next strike, remotely piloted aircraft, possibly Predators, hit a "terrorist mortar position. When ISIL fighters returned to the site moments later, the terrorists were attacked again and successfully eliminated," Kirby said in a statement.

The third strike consisted of four F-18s which attacked a parked ISIL convoy of seven vehicles and a nearby mortar position. "The aircraft executed two planned passes. On both runs, each aircraft dropped one laser guided bomb making a total of eight bombs dropped on target neutralizing the mortar and convoy," Kirby said.

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Plus more details of the Orbat of the US units readying for a prolonged air campaign:

Aug. 8, 2014

The U.S. has a massive force of ships and aircraft in the Persian Gulf for the air campaign against the Islamic State in Iraq.

The first airstrikes against the Islamic State were carried out by two aircraft from the aircraft carrier George H.W. Bush, which is in the Persian Gulf along with the amphibious assault ship Bataan; the amphibious dock landing ship Gunston Hall; the cruiser Philippine Sea; and the destroyers Arleigh Burke, O’Kane and Roosevelt, according to the Defense Department.

The amphibious transport dock Mesa Verde is elsewhere in the region, according to 5th Fleet.

The Bush is coming to the end of what would be a normal six-month deployment. The carrier Carl Vinson is preparing to deploy to 5th Fleet at the end of August, but is on ready standby as the surge carrier, according to Naval Air Forces spokeswoman Cmdr. Jeannie Groeneveld.

The George H.W. Bush could be extended if U.S. Central Command requires it.

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Marines from the Bataan Amphibious Ready Group are prepared to recover aircraft and personnel on short notice in a hostile environment should that become necessary, Stephens said in an email.

More than 2,000 Marines from the 22nd Marine Expeditionary Unit are aboard the ships in the Bataan’s group along with 12 MV-22B Ospreys; eight AV-8B Harriers; four CH-53E Super Stallion helicopters; three UH-1Y Venom helicopters and four AH-1W Super Cobra attack helicopters.

While President Obama has vowed that U.S. troops are not returning to Iraq, about 10,000 U.S. troops — mostly Army — are in Kuwait, a defense official said.

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Air Force Times
 
jollyjacktar said:
And about bloody time too.  There should have been strikes going out months ago...

Say what you will about Dubya, but if he was still in charge the bombs would have been falling long time ago.
 
The amount of bombs going down range are not even enough to piss off the ISIS fighters. Basically this is just a waste of military assets to effect an internal US political appeasement solution.

The Global community should either do something about the real problem with some major commitment of military horsepower or the Western world should stay out of it.

Just my 2 cents worth about 1 cent due to inflation.
 
I would expect to see the deployment of 10-15,000 ground combat troops into Northern Iraq to bolster the Kurds.Ideally the deployment of an armor division into Kuwait which would push on north of Baghdad would be a smart move.Catch ISIS in a vise.
 
tomahawk6 said:
I would expect to see the deployment of 10-15,000 ground combat troops into Northern Iraq to bolster the Kurds.Ideally the deployment of an armor division into Kuwait which would push on north of Baghdad would be a smart move.Catch ISIS in a vise.

You were saying? Someone else has the same idea...

Defense News

Why Obama's campaign in Iraq could require 15,000 troops
Aug. 8, 2014 - 03:45AM  |  By ANDREW TILGHMAN 

(...EDITED)

Military experts say tactical commanders will want more ground forces. Forward air controllers could provide more precise targeting information. U.S. advisers could support the Kurdish forces fighting the militants. And U.S. commanders may need to expand their intelligence effort on the ground.

In turn, U.S. forces might need a forward operating base with a security perimeter, more force protection and a logistical supply line. Medevac capabilities may require a helicopter detachment and a small aviation maintenance shed.

“You’re talking about a 10,000- to 15,000-soldier effort to include maintenance, and medevac and security,” said retired Army Col. Peter Mansoor,
who served as executive officer to David Petraeus during the 2007 surge in Iraq and now is a professor of military history at Ohio State University.

“But that is the price you’re going to pay if you want to roll back [Islamic State]. You can’t just snap your fingers and make it go away,” Mansoor said.

Obama’s address to the nation Thursday night suggested that the city of Erbil will be a no-go zone for the militants, and he offered no timeframe for that commitment.

The biggest near-term military challenge stems from Obama’s commitment to prevent a “genocide” of the Yazidi people trapped on Mount Sinjar. The air drops providing food and water that began Thursday night are a short-term solution. Obama promised to use air strikes on Islamic State forces, if needed, to “break the siege” and “help refugees get the shelter and food and water they so desperately need.”

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More strikes, plus the possibility that this air campaign may be a long-term effort is raised:

Military.com

US Launches 4 More Airstrikes against ISIL

Associated Press | Aug 09, 2014
WASHINGTON -- The U.S. military says American jet fighters and drones have conducted four more airstrikes on Islamic militants in Iraq, taking out armored carriers and a truck that were firing on civilians.

U.S. Central Command says the Islamic State militants were firing on Yazidi civilians near Sinjar. The refugees have been taking shelter in the Sinjar mountains.

Central Command says the strikes near Sinjar were spread out, with three before noon Eastern Daylight Time on Saturday and one about 3 p.m.

(...EDITED)

New York Times

Saturday, August 9, 2014 11:36 AM EDT

Obama Says Iraq Airstrike Effort Could Be ‘Long Term’

President Obama sought to prepare Americans for an extended presence in the skies over Iraq, telling reporters on Saturday that the airstrikes he ordered this week could go on for months as Iraqis try to build a new government.

“I don’t think we’re going to solve this problem in weeks,” Mr. Obama said before leaving for a two-week vacation on Martha’s Vineyard. “This is going to be a long-term project.”

The president repeated his insistence that the United States would not send ground combat troops back to Iraq. But he pledged that it and other countries would stand with the Iraqi leaders against militants if they built an inclusive government in the months ahead.

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Abrams tanks and Humvees captured by ISIS fighters from routed Iraqi units should be the next targets:

DoD Buzz

Will U.S. Fighters Hit U.S.-Made Tanks in Iraq?
Will U.S. Fighters Hit U.S.-Made Tanks in Iraq?
By Brendan McGarry Friday, August 8th, 2014 12:43 pm
Posted in Air, Policy

U.S. warplanes early Friday morning launched airstrikes against Islamic militants in northern Iraq, a Pentagon official said.

A pair of F/A-18 fighter jets made by Boeing Co. and flying from the aircraft carrier USS George H.W. Bush dropped 500-pound laser-guided bombs against artillery operated by the Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant near the northern city of Irbil, according to Pentagon Press Secretary John Kirby.

Kirby didn’t specify what type of artillery was targeted, but former DoDBuzz editor Philip Ewing, now a senior defense reporter at Politico, noted on Twitter that CNN correspondent Ivan Watson reported that ISIL fighters were in possession of U.S.-made M1 Abrams tanks made by General Dynamics Corp. and captured from Iraqi forces. The cable news network later reiterated the claim, citing information from Kurdish officials.

In an interview with CNN, Kirby said only one airstrike had taken place and didn’t describe the type of artillery, such as whether it was a mobile howitzer unit or anti-aircraft battery. “This artillery had only recently been put into position,” he said. “We took it out pretty quickly.” He also acknowledged that ISIL fighters are “well-resourced.”

Later in the day, Kirby in a statement said the U.S. launched two more bombings in the Irbil area — one in which a drone aircraft struck a terrorist mortar position and another involving four F/A-18s that blasted a ISIL convoy of seven vehicles and another mortar position.

(...EDITED)
 
Obama will never deploy large number of US ground troops in Iraq unless the slaughter goes above the 10,000 range and he is forced to act. Indeed, there are reports that the first 2 aircraft sortie was leaked by the Pentagon to corner Obama so he could not weasel out of taking some action.

Obama Says Iraq Airstrike Effort Could Be ‘Long Term’

The low key, piecemeal sorties of two aircraft will be "long term" allowing ISIL the time to procure (they have millions from the banks in Mosul) ground to air equipment.

cupper, with his usual view:

And now we wait for the inevitable contrarian view from the Republicans that Obama is making war without consulting Congress and we shouldn't be involved and we need to rein this guy in, it's unlimited spending that will add to the national debt, etc. Dollars to donuts that Lindsey Graham and John McCain come out against this after spending all summer calling for it.

US Politics. 

Some quote today: 

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/08/10/john-mccain-iraq_n_5665986.html

"John McCain Criticizes Iraq Air Strikes As 'Ineffective' "

Don't forget cupper, McCain has some experience in this area,

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/08/10/lindsey-graham-syria_n_5665831.html

Sen Lindsay Graham - "If he does not go on the offensive against ISIS, ISIL -- whatever you want to call these guys -- they are coming here," he added. "This is just not about Baghdad, this is just not about Syria, this is about our homeland. And if we get attacked because he has no strategy to protect us, then he will have committed a blunder for the ages."

Rep. Peter King - "They are more powerful now than al Qaeda was on 9/11," he said, referring to the Islamic State, adding, "I lost hundreds of constituents on 9/11. I never want to do that again. We see this coming. For the president to say we're doing airstrikes, we're not doing anything else. We're not going to use American combat troops, not going to do this, not going to do that. What kind of leadership is that? You should never let the enemy know what you're going to do."

More recently, in late July, Joint Chiefs of Staff Chairman Martin Dempsey said the Islamic State posed a "longer term" threat to America.

"Let me speak for the United States military. The United States military does consider ISIL a threat to -- initially to the region and our close allies, longer term to the United States of America," he said. "And therefore we are preparing a strategy that has a series of options to present to our elected leaders on how we can initially contain, eventually disrupt, and finally defeat ISIL over time."

 
Fresh new air strikes:

Defense News

US Confirms Fresh Airstrikes Against Militants Near Arbil
Aug. 10, 2014 - 04:51PM  |  By AGENCE FRANCE-PRESSE

WASHINGTON — United States warplanes and drones pummeled Islamic State militants near Arbil in a fresh wave of airstrikes on Sunday, destroying armed trucks and a mortar position, the US military confirmed.

US Central Command (CENTCOM) said five strikes had been carried out from 0615 GMT, when aircraft struck and destroyed an armed vehicle firing on Kurdish forces outside Arbil in northern Iraq.

Shortly after the strike, US forces located another IS armed truck moving away from the area and destroyed it, CENTCOM said.

In a further attack at around 0740 GMT, US aircraft struck and destroyed an IS mortar position and damaged a nearby truck.

Two more IS armed vehicles were hit in additional strikes before all US aircraft exited the area safely, the military said.

The attacks mark the third day of airstrikes launched by the United States in an effort to halt the advance of Islamic militants who are threatening Arbil, the capital of the Iraqi Kurdish region.

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Still a case of too little, too late. A few pinprick airstrikes isn't going to change the balance of power anywhere.

Two COA's that will have some effect:

a) bring huge amounts of supplies to the Kurds, so they can secure their territories, and
b) let Iran, Syria and Hezbollah (effectively the same thing) fight ISIS on the ground without any US intervention.

All the battle groups need to do is stay on station and ensure4 the conflict does not spill out beyond the region.
 
More about the captured US equipment in ISIS control:

ISIS Stole some shiny new weapons from the Iraqi Army

[vice.com]
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ISIS parades captured Iraqi Army vehicles in its Syrian capital of Raqqa
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An ISIS social media image shows its fighters with a captured Humvee
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U.S.-made Humvees enroute from Iraq to Syria via ISIL social media
source: freebeacon

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From: CNN - August 11, 2014
Iraqi troops and tanks surge into Baghdad amid political turmoil


Military tanks were deployed to several neighborhoods in central Baghdad, two Iraqi police officials told CNN. The officials said there are also significantly more troops in Baghdad's Green Zone, the secure area where many government buildings, the military headquarters and the U.S. Embassy are located.

<snipped>

Retired Marine Gen. James Williams said the stepped up security could also be a response to advances by militants from ISIS, the Sunni Muslim extremist group that has now declared itself the Islamic State.

"It could be a show of force. If you're talking about protecting government buildings, there may be a sense that ISIS forces may be closer than everybody thinks at this point, and so depending on what the undercurrent in Baghdad right now, that could be a great sign for concern," Williams said. "But it may also be a concern that there's a coup afoot."

Could ISIS retaliate against the West?

Within hours of U.S. military jets and drones conducting a strike on ISIS artillery that had been used against Kurdish forces defending Irbil, ISIS supporters called for retaliatory attacks against the United States.

"It is a clear message that the war is against Islam and the mujahideen. The mujahideen must strive and seek to execute proactive operations in their own home, America, to discipline America and its criminal soldiers," Abu al-Ayna al-Khorasani, an administrator of Shumukh al-Islam, the top-tier forum for ISIS propaganda, wrote on his account Friday, according to a translation by the SITE Intelligence group.

Other ISIS supporters railed against the United States using the Twitter handle #AmessagefromISIStoUS, posting images of the wreckage of the twin towers. "Don't forget 11 Sept .. Maybe US citizens want more like that," one extremist tweeted. In June after ISIS captured Mosul, its supporters had warned against strikes in a Twitter campaign #CalamityWillBefallUS.
 
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