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Iraq!

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To all right-wing idealogical propaganda-eating chums, I present to you, "the man":

http://www.comedycentral.com/mp/play.php?reposid=/multimedia/tds/headlines/8096.html

I am a conservative myself (believe it or not Infanteer) and I find it insulting that this guy is leader of the Republican party. So he is an "OK-guy", I support many of his policies but he just does not deserve to be Prez. especially in such diffcult times.

POLSKA GÓRĄ!!
 
I am a conservative myself (believe it or not Infanteer) and I find it insulting that this guy is leader of the Republican party. So he is an "OK-guy", I support many of his policies but he just does not deserve to be Prez. especially in such diffcult times.
Regardless of his personal shortcomings, I believe his administration is doing a good job in such difficult times, and thus support him as President of the United States.
 
I ABSOLUTELY oppose the Iraq operation and I thank God that Canadians are not there.

But, I thought that this e-mail would be interesting for people to see. [/QB]
Why, in heavens name, do you oppose an operation that freed that many people from a thoroughly rotten regime that was killing them and toruring them by the thousands.

Or is this someone elses opinion your just passing along?
 
Originally posted by Slim:
[qb]
Or is this someone elses opinion your just passing along? [/qb]
What if that is his opinion? I could just as well say that what you posted isn‘t your opinion, but rather CNN-inspired over exaggerated propaganda. :)

I, personally, don‘t think that the U.S. had any right to invade Iraq, and that‘s my opinion. Not something that some peace-loving, tree-hugging hippy beatniks have shoved into my brain.
 
They could be doing a lot better. As a world superpower I would expect a lot more from the USA.

They are also mishandling the Iraqi insurgency. Rumsfeld went cheap and is sending in Reserve and National Guard units to handle the real conflict that is just beginning to heat up. The war that ended in May, can hardly be called a war, it was a drive-thru to Baghdad with some isolated units putting-up resistince. The real fighting has just started. Same situation in Afghanistan, only Kabul and that airbase up north are under our control. President Karzai has been reduced to mayoral duties in the capital.
 
I, personally, don‘t think that the U.S. had any right to invade Iraq, and that‘s my opinion. Not something that some peace-loving, tree-hugging hippy beatniks have shoved into my brain.
Why? People come around the board and throw opinions around like they mean something. I want to see some clear thought and support to back your statement up, or else your wasting bandwidth. This is a discussion board, not a random opinion board.

They are also mishandling the Iraqi insurgency. Rumsfeld went cheap and is sending in Reserve and National Guard units to handle the real conflict that is just beginning to heat up. The war that ended in May, can hardly be called a war, it was a drive-thru to Baghdad with some isolated units putting-up resistince. The real fighting has just started. Same situation in Afghanistan, only Kabul and that airbase up north are under our control. President Karzai has been reduced to mayoral duties in the capital.
Fair enough, although remember that the main effort in Afghanistan for the US has always been in the south. There never was an "occupation" on the level of Iraq.
 
Originally posted by FUBAR:
[qb] Babicima, is that an Nikonov AN-94? [/qb]
Nope, its a brand new Zastava Arms NATO calibre 5.56 M-21 Assault Rifle from Serbia and Montenegro
 
Just like America went into Vietnam to "protect" the democratic rights and freedoms of the S. Viet. who never wanted to fight for it themselves and never wanted the Americans.

Why didnt the Iraqis get rid of Sadaam themselves??

What they are too backward to do it?

America America

Gonna save the world!

BULLSHIT!

Canada should be loyal to their allies but when you got allies like the States whos led by an Idiot hmmm

Screw that Canada has its own foreign policy and if you think Iraq is worth a Canadian soldiers life then you all have problems.

Who cares...

They live in their home (Iraq) just like I live in mine (Canada) if they have problems let them solve it themselves.

Canada should first look at its own problems before stickin their noses in some sand dune in the middle of now where.

Like I said before, If you guys fall for this US crap about "bringing democracy and freedom" by bombing the S*** out of some country then join the US Army or UK Marines and go fight.

Have a blast!

Cheers!

OH CANADA I STAND ON GUARD FOR THEE! (and no one else for that matter!)
 
All I know is that people like to eat this "freedom" crap up!
Big talk from some guy hiding on a reserve boat.

"We‘re fighting for freedom" my ***. GI Joe is going over there to "steal" and protect someone elses oil and land. GI Joe and his allies are not in Iraq to give "freedom" to the people of Iraq.
Like it or note, we are GI Joe‘s ally...maybe your in the wrong business.

Iraq is a muslim nation they dont want Western "democracy" and whoever thinks that I personally think is a friggin moron.
I‘m glad you think that. However, your still just a pansy hiding on a boat in Hamilton.


But when I see something wrong going on I look at it from a logical standpoint. Thats what I was trained to do!! Not follow blindly the words and lies that todays MASS MEDIA (read: Propaganda) spews out everyday to brainwash idiots who think freedom and protecting democracy and their country is by going into someone elses home and testing their weapons there.
So what is your logical standpoint, the world revolves around Hamilton and anyone who doesn‘t live their is **** out of luck?
 
Canada should be loyal to their allies but when you got allies like the States whos led by an Idiot hmmm

Screw that Canada has its own foreign policy and if you think Iraq is worth a Canadian soldiers life then you all have problems.
You obviously have no understanding of foreign affairs, history, or geopolitics.

Thanks for the rant. Go work on your boat, dork.
 
Originally posted by Infanteer:
[qb]
Canada should be loyal to their allies but when you got allies like the States whos led by an Idiot hmmm

Screw that Canada has its own foreign policy and if you think Iraq is worth a Canadian soldiers life then you all have problems.
You obviously have no understanding of foreign affairs, history, or geopolitics.

Thanks for the rant. Go work on your boat, dork. [/qb]
MHM!

Thats why you have a degree in History/Poli Sci!

Cheers!
 
Babicma - I don‘t know if either you or Infanteer have a papered education in either of those disciplines; however, I am currently working towards both myself and I concur with his response to your rant.

I may not like Dubya.
I may feel that individual rights have rescinded a tad in the US since 9/11.
I may feel concerned at the idea of any fundamentalist mentality having a bit of power in the White House as I am a strong supporter of a separate church and state.
I may not agree with the reasons provided for invading Iraq yet feel that the removal of Hussein from power is a good thing.
I may feel that due to their ideological differences I have a hard time believing the Al Queda - Iraq connection without hard evidence to support it and would prefer to see pressure applied to Saudi connections as well, etc...
I may be appreciative that Chretien stood by his convictions against invading Iraq due to that same lack of evidence, even though I cannot stand the man and I am glad to see him gone, especially as the CF is approaching crisis due to the Liberals past approaches to the CF‘s situation.

Etc...

You see how this works, each of these points I have discussed in the past, supported by research or opinion both subject to question due to the nature of the forum and rightly so. To feel so strongly about your convictions is admirable, at least you‘re making yourself heard and taking a stand, but you need to be open to rebuttal. Expecting that, you should have some evidence to support your position and then the debates can begin.

Don‘t leave yourself open to attack, and yet if it happens, do not allow emotion and passion to rule your thoughts, for at that point, you‘ll be in a poor position.

Cheers...

PS

It‘s 0500, that made sense when I wrote it, but I think I went on a bit too long to make my point. :D
 
Infanteer,
He‘s a kid, and we all know trying to convince him is like banging your head against a wall. Canada is the world‘s backseat driver. We think we have all the answers but don‘t have the balls to do anything ourselves. It‘s always, the americans should have done this, the UN should have done that, I would have done this, etc. Ignorant people like him have no idea how the world works, but never fail to offer their misguided opinions anyway, and screw those who don‘t agree they must be warmongering fascists. Like a whining little brat, you either ignore him, or put him over your knee.
 
Originally posted by Infanteer:
[qb]
All I know is that people like to eat this "freedom" crap up!
Big talk from some guy hiding on a reserve boat.

"We‘re fighting for freedom" my ***. GI Joe is going over there to "steal" and protect someone elses oil and land. GI Joe and his allies are not in Iraq to give "freedom" to the people of Iraq.
Like it or note, we are GI Joe‘s ally...maybe your in the wrong business.

Iraq is a muslim nation they dont want Western "democracy" and whoever thinks that I personally think is a friggin moron.
I‘m glad you think that. However, your still just a pansy hiding on a boat in Hamilton.


But when I see something wrong going on I look at it from a logical standpoint. Thats what I was trained to do!! Not follow blindly the words and lies that todays MASS MEDIA (read: Propaganda) spews out everyday to brainwash idiots who think freedom and protecting democracy and their country is by going into someone elses home and testing their weapons there.
So what is your logical standpoint, the world revolves around Hamilton and anyone who doesn‘t live their is **** out of luck? [/qb]
Look at this "rebuttal by INFANTeer.

Enzo! You‘re telling me that I‘m the one that should not let my feelings get in the way and should be able to support myself in case of a rebuttal.

hehehe
 
Hey, if you want to throw up a pointless rant and label me a moron, I‘ll be happy to send one back across the bow.

Point is, I‘ve argued on numerous occasions on theis board on why I stand behind OIF, and you just wander on and spout a pissy rant.

Put up or shut up, until then go play sailor.
 
Well, thinking that nothing else matters except you is very narrow minded of you babicma. You say Canada has its own foreign policy. True but what have the military doing for the last 25-30 years? Going out to other countries to either keep or enforce the peace. And also help our allies. If you recall Canada has participated in the 1st Gulf war so you can‘t really debate that we never did anything like the 2nd Gulf war. Just because the Iraqis couldn‘t get saddam out doesn‘t mean they liked him and could get him out anytime.

Just because you don‘t agree with what the US gov is doing doesn‘t mean that you should slam their military. They are guys just like you or me that are there to do their job. What‘d they teach you at basic, think only of yourself and the **** with everyone else?
 
Just because you don‘t agree with what the US gov is doing doesn‘t mean that you should slam their military. They are guys just like you or me that are there to do their job. What‘d they teach you at basic, think only of yourself and the **** with everyone else? [/QB][/QUOTE]

Thats right I dont agree with their policy on Iraq and where did I slam the US military??

In no way or form did I slam or discredit the armed forces of the US!

I just feel that peoples lives are being lost and more are put in danger for NO REASON!

I really dont care about Iraq and who runs the place. Just like I dont care who runs Vietnam!

During the 60‘s and 70‘s Americans died in Vietnam... For what reason??

Just like Iraq, Why are so many men and women from the states and our allies dying?? For who, for what?

If the states really wanted to stop terrorism, just like they wanted to stop drugs, why didnt they aim all their energy at catching Osama, stop it in Bosnia stop it in Kosovo stop it in Palestine with the Muslims there who have terrorist training camps and have been terrorist havens since the early 1990‘s??

I just dont fall for US propaganda!

As the US soldiers in Iraq and coming from Iraq what they think about it!!!

http://www.themedianews.com/DAGGER/Head_Lines/family_of_soldier_.htm

http://www.themedianews.com/DAGGER/Head_Lines/brit_troops_slam_yanks.htm

http://ontario.indymedia.ca/twiki/bin/view/Archives/ImcOntario14935
 
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