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Iraq!

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"Why didnt the Iraqis get rid of Saddam themselves??"

ever heard of the kurds, they tried, thousands of them were killed by nerve agents during there uprising, woman children, the works.
 
I really dont care about Iraq and who runs the place. Just like I dont care who runs Vietnam!

During the 60‘s and 70‘s Americans died in Vietnam... For what reason??

Just like Iraq, Why are so many men and women from the states and our allies dying?? For who, for what?
Sooo, following your logic:

"I really don‘t care about Nazi Germany and who runs the place!"

Intervention has its place.

If the states really wanted to stop terrorism, just like they wanted to stop drugs, why didnt they aim all their energy at catching Osama, stop it in Bosnia stop it in Kosovo stop it in Palestine with the Muslims there who have terrorist training camps and have been terrorist havens since the early 1990‘s??
What are you saying, the United States doesn‘t want to stop terrorism?

I just dont fall for US propaganda!
No, but you obviously fall for someone elses.

As the US soldiers in Iraq and coming from Iraq what they think about it!!!
I‘d be happy to introduce you to soldiers returning from the sandbox for their second or third time. I‘m sure they would love to hear what you have to say.

Wait, Major Baker has been their twice. Ask him.
 
Dubya Speak.com

Check this site out...tis pretty good stuff on here *nods*

but my opinion with iraq is the reason changed...i mean if they wanted to go in and remove the murderous tyrant...they should have just said that instead of "Were going in for his WMD" perhaps though if we wanted to get murderous tyrants...we should go after Bush for murdering the English language *points to above link for proof* and after we get Bush we can go after Jean Chretien just to make things fair
 
As for all of the rediculous garbage that was posted...talk is cheap! It is always easier to critique someones actions than it is to justify your own or lack therof
Hooah sir.
 
Hitler also had his war on terrorism.

Hitler used the 1933 burning of the Reichstag (Parliament) building by a deranged Dutchman to declare a "war on terrorism," establish his legitimacy as a leader (even though he hadn‘t won a majority in the previous election).

"You are now witnessing the beginning of a great epoch in history," he proclaimed, standing in front of the burned-out building, surrounded by national media. "This fire," he said, his voice trembling with emotion, "is the beginning." He used the occasion as "a sign from God," he called it "to declare an all-out war on terrorism and its ideological sponsors," a people, he said, who traced their origins to the Middle East and found motivation for their "evil" deeds in their religion.


Two weeks later, the first prison for terrorists was built in Oranianberg, holding the first suspected allies of the infamous terrorist. In a national outburst of patriotism, the nation‘s flag was everywhere, even printed in newspapers suitable for display.


Within four weeks of the terrorist attack, the Germanys now-popular leader had pushed through legislation, in the name of combating terrorism and fighting the philosophy he said spawned it, that suspended constitutional guarantees of free speech, privacy, and habeas corpus. Police could now intercept mail and wiretap phones; suspected terrorists could be imprisoned without specific charges and without access to their lawyers; police could sneak into people‘s homes without warrants if the cases involved terrorism.

To get his patriotic "Decree on the Protection of People and State" passed over the objections of concerned legislators and civil libertarians, he agreed to put a 4-year sunset provision on it: if the national emergency provoked by the terrorist attack on the Reichstag building was over by then, the freedoms and rights would be returned to the people, and the police agencies would be re-restrained.

Within the first months after that terrorist attack, at the suggestion of a political advisor, he brought a formerly obscure word into common usage. Instead of referring to Germany by its name, he began to refer to it as The Fatherland. As hoped, people‘s hearts swelled with pride, and the beginning of an us-versus-them mentality was sewn. Our land was "the" homeland, citizens thought: all others were simply foreign lands.

Within a year of the terrorist attack, Hitler‘s advisors determined that the various local police and federal agencies around the nation were lacking the clear communication and overall coordinated administration necessary to deal with the terrorist threat facing the nation, including those citizens who were of Middle Eastern ancestry and thus probably terrorist sympathizers. He proposed a single new national agency to protect the security of the Fatherland, consolidating the actions of dozens of previously independent police, border, and investigative agencies under a single powerful leader.

Most Canadians and Americans remember his Office of Fatherland Security, known as the Reichssicherheitshauptamt and Schutzstaffel, simply by its most famous agency‘s initials: the SS.

And, perhaps most important, he invited his supporters in industry into the halls of government to help build his new detention camps, his new military, and his new empire which was to herald a thousand years of peace. Industry and government worked hand-in-glove, in a new type of pseudo-democracy first proposed by Mussolini and sustained by war.
 
This is gonna be my last post on this topic, God willing nothing comes up!

But all I want to clear up is that I hate it when people of any armed forces, especially Canada, go to a war lead by people who have never seen war but send other peoples fathers, sons, daughters to go fight a war that is in the interest of big business and their own pockets, and not because of some bullshit reason that has been taken from the likes of Nazi Germany!

Chickenhawks:
Chickenhawk Headquarters

Chickenhawk n. A person enthusiastic about war, provided someone else fights it; particularly when that enthusiasm is undimmed by personal experience with war; most emphatically when that lack of experience came in spite of ample opportunity in that person's youth.

Name: George W. Bush (R-TX)
Born: 1946
Employer: The U.S. Taxpayer
Conflict Avoided: Vietnam
Bio: Daddys Daddy buddy buddy with Hitler, Daddy buddy buddy with OBL
http://www.iraqwar.ru/iraq-read_article.php?articleId=5817&lang=en
Notes: You know when a guy walks away from a National Guard obligation during wartime and gets away with it, he must come from "a good family." Not that his daddy had anything to do with his getting a Guard slot in the first place - oh, no ...

Name: Richard "****" Cheney (R-WY)
Born: 1942
Employer: The U.S. Taxpayer, American/Allies soldiers http://www.corpwatch.org/issues/PRT.jsp?articleid=6008
Conflict Avoided: Vietnam
Notes: Says he had "other priorities." You bet he had other priorities. Imagine how early in life you must begin scheming to get away with what this guy has. He was too busy thinking about Halliburton to go fight Charlie.


Name: I. Lewis "Scooter" Libby
Born: 1950 ±
Employer: The U.S. Taxpayer
Conflict Avoided: Vietnam
Notes: I. Lewis â Å“Scooterâ ? Libby is **** Cheney's Chief of Staff. He's had a string of no-doubt well-paying government jobs in State and Defense. He's also practiced law. In fact, he was Marc Rich's lawyer for years. Yes â ” the Marc Rich whose pardon from President Clinton was excoriated by so many high and mighty Republicans. Maybe if Scooter had been a better lawyer, his client wouldn't have needed that pardon. Speaking of legal questions, â Å“Scooterâ ? is alleged by some to have traded energy stocks while helping his buddy **** Cheney cook up a new energy policy in secret. He's also suspected of having inserted the bogus â Å“Niger yellowcakeâ ? reference into the President's State of the Union address. As if all that weren't enough, he's also a top suspect in the outing of CIA operative Valeria Plame. Clearly â Å“Scooterâ ? is a ballsy kind of guy, so it's a complete mystery to us why, when he graduated from Phillips Andover in 1968, he didn't enlist in the Marines or go Airborne instead of going to Yale.


Name: Karl Rove
Born: 1950
Employer: Baal
Conflict Avoided: Vietnam
Notes: This little cherub was born on Christmas Day, 1950. Karl â Å“Bush's Brainâ ? Rove ran George W.'s campaign, right down to the tiny detail of deciding Bush was going to run. The hardest part was convincing a horde of Republican skeptics that it could be done.

He is said to have said of his boss, he's "the kind of candidate and officeholder political hacks like me wait a lifetime to be associated with."

Now Karl's Senior White House advisor. If he really is â Å“Bush's Brain,â ? and if the fondest wishes of former US Ambassador Joseph C. Wilson IV come true, one fine day Karl will be â Å“frogmarched out of the White House in mandcuffs.â ?

Will history record that event as â Å“Bush's Lobotomy?â ?


Name: Donald "The Don" Rumsfeld
Born: 1932
Employer: The U.S. Taxpayer
Conflict Avoided: Korea
Bio: During his period as Reagan‘s Special Envoy to the Middle East, Rumsfeld was the main conduit for crucial American military intelligence, hardware and strategic advice to Saddam Hussein, then fighting Iran in the Iran-Iraq war.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Donald_Rumsfeld
Notes: When the shooting started in Korea Rummy here was either 18, or about to turn 18. Not to worry for him, though â ” he spent the war at Princeton, wearing a ROTC uniform. Once the war was over he flew jets for the Navy for a few years. Defenders of Rumsfeld will say he's no chickenhawk â ” he served, and it's not his fault the war ended before he got his commission. To which others answer, â Å“plenty of farmers and mechanics and kids just out of high school served. Anyone as full of whatever that stuffing in him is, could have tried out for a battlefield commission.â ?




Name: Paul Wolfowitz
Born: 1943
Employer: The U.S. Taxpayer
Conflict Avoided: Vietnam
Notes: Deputy Secretary for Defense - yet another Bush administration man in the Pentagon who has no idea what it‘s like to wear a uniform. He got a BA at Cornell in 1965. Maybe if we‘d had a guy as bright as he thinks he is in Vietnam, it would have turned out differently.
 
P.S.

S_Baker God Bless you and all the men and women in Afghanistan and Iraq I‘m on your side and by the side of every fighting man and women!
 
Nice defence Babicima. That whole USA - 1930‘s Germany analogy kind of scares me.
 
Y‘see Babicma, that wasn‘t so hard eh. I‘m assuming you‘re going to have some rebuttal‘s coming your way. Especially for the comparison‘s of Bush to Hitler, no way around that. I look forward to that discourse, it should be educational. I hope that whoever goes after you does it with facts and rationale to balance your statements.

Nice improvement dude.

Cheers.
 
I‘m not even going to attempt to argue with a blockhead who shows the level of his ignorance by comparing the GOP to a band of brown shirted thugs (guess you can do that from the sweet comfort of Hamilton). I‘ll save that for my betters, if they feel the need to sort him out.

Here‘s a video that addresses this view quite well though....


Bush - Hitler Comparison
 
As hoped, people‘s hearts swelled with pride, and the beginning of an us-versus-them mentality was sewn. Our land was "the" homeland, citizens thought: all others were simply foreign lands.
or...

They live in their home (Iraq) just like I live in mine (Canada) if they have problems let them solve it themselves.
Canada should first look at its own problems before stickin their noses in some sand dune in the middle of now where.
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Cheers!
OH CANADA I STAND ON GUARD FOR THEE! (and no one else for that matter!)
Which is it babicma?
 
Originally posted by S_Baker:
[qb] I‘m on a roll....

Bush worries me with things like the Patriot Act (I and II)...I really don‘t think he has much respect for the U.S. Constitution.
What a load of BMW (Bayerische Mistwagen) these types of drive by posts get my dander up! Have you seen the US Constitution, Bill of Rights, Declaration of Independence, or read the documents?

Well I have seen and read them, as a matter of fact I have copies in my home. My children understand the importance of them as well! Please do not lecture me or anyone else about the US consitution, I know it well. As for the Patriot Act, there is no thereat to civil liberties there! We are at war, with and Insidious, Implacable enemy. They will be destroyed! I expect that Al Qaedia will try to use a nuclear of bio/Chem weapon on the US. They truly do not understand the American Psyche, talk about stirring up a hornets nest that they don‘t want on them... :rage: [/qb]
Yes, actually, I have seen and read the above mentioned documents and have the utmost respect for them and that‘s why I‘m concerned. I was not lecturing anyone, just giving a personal opinion. Please don‘t argue by "seizing the moral high ground" that‘s just childish, simply state your argument. Mine goes somewhat as follows:

The Fourth Amendment of the U.S. Constitution states:

"The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probably cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or thing to be seized."

Section 213 of the Patriot Act is entitled "AUTHORITY FOR DELAYING NOTICE OF THE EXECUTION OF A WARRANT", it‘s worded in a very vague manner but the gist of it is that no warrant is required to be immediately served if "the court finds reasonable cause to believe that providing immediate notification of the execution of the warrant may have an adverse result". This leaves the door wide open for any court to use any reason to okay search and seizure without a warrant (just how is "an adverse result" defined?).

Search and seizure without a warrant, doesn‘t sound very constitutional to me! Isn‘t this abuse of power precisely what your forefathers fought against? The Patriot Act may have been introduced with good intentions, but it is not in the best long term interests of American citizens.

"They that can give up essential liberty to obtain temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety."
-Benjamin Franklin
 
If your not a terrorist piece of ****, what do you have to worry about?
 
Originally posted by Infanteer:
[qb] If your not a terrorist piece of ****, what do you have to worry about? [/qb]
Friendly Fire incidents?
 
Originally posted by Infanteer:
[qb] If your not a terrorist piece of ****, what do you have to worry about? [/qb]
I have nothing to hide, if that‘s what you mean. I just believe that there are certain rights which all Anglo-Saxon societies are founded on, going back hundreds of years in English history, and that those rights should not be swept aside so easily.
I see Islam as a vicious cult and I am sure that the West will defeat the terrorists in the end; let‘s just make sure we don‘t defeat ourselves in the process.

Richie
 
You see Islam as a vicious cult? So, are these "terrorists" that the west will defeat be guilty of just that? Practising their religion?

Sure, whatever your opinion is. My opinion is that it‘s idiotic statements like that that make Canadians treat the military as something less-than-serious.
 
Well Richie, I was raised in a Muslim family, so I am rather offended by you describing that religion as a vicious cult.

But rather then going off on a rant, I suppose I should give you a chance to tell us all why you think Islam is "A vicious cult".
 
Wow what an incredibly dumb thing to say. I will leave it at that. On to what I was going to post before I saw that last comment. Their are many people out there who seem to believe the Bush admin, suddenly changed the reason they invaded Iraq after the fact. It is my belief and opinion that they did not. The Bush Admin from the onset said they were going in to get WMD and very quietly to liberate the people of Iraq. As time went on, and fewer people were buying the WMD argument, they (the BAdmin) start emphasizing the liberation part of thier argument. Pretty much right after Powell speaking with the Security Council they started doing this more often. My take is planners and behind the scene people were doubting there Intell or something to that affect. If you want proof watch footage from all the press conferance‘s being held right up to the "shock and awe" campaign. At that point they were stating "We are going in to remove the WMD AND liberate the people". They did not decieve us, we just have selective hearing.
 
I see Islam as a vicious cult
Opps, stepped on your d**k there, didn‘t ya.

I agree with nULL and Che; you‘ve commited the number one bad act...painting with a broad brush. I was deployed to a Muslim country for 6 months and I can tell you that your statement is silly.

I am assuming that from the intelligence of your posts that this is not what you intended to say, so I‘ll let you restate your thought.
 
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