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Islam-bashing film sparks fears of violence

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time expired said:
I do not intend to get into the right or wrong of this film
however one thing strikes me, in the discussion in the media,
it seems if you belong to a minority group,any minority group,
you can say just about anything you wish about the majority
with complete impunity.When the shoe is on the other foot
however then the wave of criticism from the seemly guilt-ridden
Lefties just goes completely,IMHO, overboard.
When will us WASPs become a recognizable minority and able
to whine about our rights.
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Flip,I fully agree with your PC crowd being one of the biggest problem.
 
Flip said:
Reccesoldier,
My qualifier was not historical signifigance or seriousness.
My list starts with who bugs me most.

Ok, I'll buy that.  But if I wereplaying like that Communists/socialists would still top my list.

The "progressive" crowd choose to be how they are more than the others on your list ( I think) I would put communists as second.

Debatable, all societies/individuals choose their leadership if by no other means than default/abdication.
 
Richie said:
Interesting movie but not as controversial as I would have thought; still the truth hurts for some, I guess.

You're not the only one to think it would be more controversial ...


Relief over Dutch MP's anti-Islam film

The initial reaction in the Netherlands following the long-awaited showing of right-wing politician Geert Wilders' anti-Islam film Fitna is one of relief.
Commentators are almost unanimous in their assessment that the internet video is much less inflammatory than expected.Mr Wilders himself called the film
"respectable" saying he wanted it to spark debate - others said it was "nothing new". Public opinion has been restrained, with no demonstrations or riots.

Comments posted to popular websites like that of De Telegraaf - the Netherlands' best selling newspaper - are mixed. "It seems to me that this will not lead
to problems for Mr Wilders or the Netherlands, it was a mess, just separate fragments linked together. It was nothing more than what Wilders always says,
in fact it was toned down," writes Simon from Amsterdam.

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Frank in Utrecht had this to say: "I'm no fan of Wilders but when you see things as laid out in this film you get a clear picture. It will make a lot of people think,
and luckily thinking has never done anyone any harm." There were also many messages of support for Mr Wilders with people saying they felt he was addressing
issues other politicians are afraid to talk about - those being Islam and integration.

In their reactions, different Dutch Muslim organisations expressed a similar sense of relief. "The worries that I and Dutch society had about riots and that sort of
thing are now considerably reduced," said Brahim Bourzik from the National Moroccan Council. However, there was criticism from Muslim groups, which say that
Mr Wilders is painting an image of all Muslims as extremists. "The film is not as shocking as we thought it was going to be. We haven't had phone calls from our
community that people are offended by this. "But having said that, we think the images are repulsive, totally terrible. They are images that have already gone down
in history as the deeds of criminals - they are responsible for these acts, not Islam," said Fouad Sidali from the Co-operation of Moroccans in the Netherlands.

Graphic images

The film, whose title Fitna means 'Ordeal' or 'Strife' in Arabic, shows verses of the Koran alternating with graphic scenes of recent atrocities: the 9/11 attacks
on the Twin Towers in New York, the charred bodies of train passengers bombed in Madrid and gruesome images from attacks in London and Somalia. The 15-minute
production quotes the Koran - Surah Four, verse 56 - as saying: "Those who have disbelieved our signs, we shall roast them in Hell."

Mr Wilders' message is clear: be warned because Islam's true purpose is to conquer the world and destroy our freedom and democratic systems. Towards the end,
a hand is shown grabbing a page of the Koran. The image is accompanied by the sound of tearing paper. The screen then goes blank and subtitles explain that the
sound was that of a page being torn from a telephone book. Mr Wilders then declares that it is not up to him to tear malicious verses out of the Koran, but that Muslims
themselves must do that.

In a press statement issued, unusually in English as well as Dutch, just a few hours after the film appeared on the internet, the Dutch Prime Minister Jan Peter
Balkenende criticised the showing of the film. "The film equates Islam with violence, we reject this interpretation. The vast majority of Muslims reject extremism and
violence and in fact the victims are often also Muslims. "We therefore regret that Mr Wilders has released this film, we believe it serves no other purpose than to cause
offence."

Maurits Berger, an expert on Islam from Leiden University, shares the view that the film is milder than expected, but he says there could still be problems. "I'm worried
about what I call the Salman Rushdie effect - then, having not read the book was no bar to protest and that could be the case here," he said. "It may be that people will
protest against 'the anti-Muslim' film without ever having seen it - so there is still need for caution."

Most experts believe that the film will not get Mr Wilders into legal problems, saying it is not discriminatory in the legal sense. But the government says it will look at this
issue and a mistake in the film may well see the member of parliament in hot water. A photograph of the rapper Salah Edin was mistakenly used as the photo of
Mohammed Bouyeri, the murderer of Dutch film maker Theo van Gogh. The rapper is consulting his lawyers.

And the Danish cartoonist, Kurt Westergaard, is suing Mr Wilders through the Danish Union of Journalists, alleging he infringed copyright by using a cartoon of
his without permission. The cartoon depicts the Prophet Muhammad with a bomb in his turban.

Despite the mild reactions to the film, the co-ordinator for terrorism prevention, Tjibbe Joustra, is keeping the level of terrorist threat at "substantial". This is the
second-highest level in the Netherlands.


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Honestly I agreed with the message,and I hope it does start some dialouge/or debate.However thought the editing was kinda crappy.My gunner done a better video up of my troop in texas....with a lot better sound track.
 
Verses from the Koran, graphic images and warnings followed by a call to action. That pattern should be familiar - it's in a lot of the jihad videos being passed around even amongst some Canadian Muslims. The only difference is the lack of a call for violence. I have a feeling the style and editing were chosen to mimic such videos on purpose as showing both side by side would reveal the hypocrisy of singling out this video.
 
and.........

OK. I just found the last one in my files and thought it was funny. :blotto:
 
Bloody heck.

The one that get's me is the terrorist woman in Burka holding the sign "your 9/11 is on it's way"...and theres a cop stood right by her!

How the heck do these people get away with it!



....beer cup's?
 
recceguy said:
and.........

OK. I just found the last one in my files and thought it was funny. :blotto:

Is that what you've been drinking from this evening??  :eek:
 
Can't they be charged with something ? Aren't they promoting crime, violence, terrorism ?
 
Yrys said:
Can't they be charged with something ? Aren't they promoting crime, violence, terrorism ?

- They have a right to free speech, just as we have a right to castigate them for what they say.
 
Very amateur production on the film. Clearly no sense of trying  to looking at Islam objectively and it is pure propaganda.

Nice attempt at trying to prejudice the facts into generalization, that average Muslim thinks this way.

Like how Wilders is mentioned couple of times, trying to score political points.

Overall an amateur attempt, and shows what buffoon Wilders really is
 
HighlandFusilier said:
Very amateur production on the film. Clearly no sense of trying  to looking at Islam objectively and it is pure propaganda.

Nice attempt at trying to prejudice the facts into generalization, that average Muslim thinks this way.

Like how Wilders is mentioned couple of times, trying to score political points.

Overall an amateur attempt, and shows what buffoon Wilders really is

Kinda like Bin Laden's internet missives and the stuff that comes across from Al Jazerra. Once again, why can they, but no one else can?
 
Yrys said:
Can't they be charged with something ? Aren't they promoting crime, violence, terrorism ?

I don't know about UK laws, but I'm pretty sure in Canada they could be charged. That's not to say that they would be. I really don't know. Freedom of speech my ***...those pics display war mongering and hate mongering. Disgusting.  :mad:
 
TCBF said:
- They have a right to free speech, just as we have a right to castigate them for what they say.

I thought incitement and a call to the use of violence was illegal/unconstitutional, but I'm not aware of the rules in the UK regarding this.
 
The reason those people were able to get away with it is that the police employed the now established, politically correct non-confrontational practice of legal pragmatism. 

This is the PC practise of measuring the "actual" damage caused by any such group, be they Terrorist wannabes in England or protesting natives blocking roads and railway lines here in Canada against the possible violence the application of existing laws could create.

Our governments (the liberal secular west's) actions have been self-censored, they have watered down the rule of law in order to not rock the boat.  After all what is the harm, so these people vent for a little while...  Surely that is better than a full scale riot...  ::)

It's government directed and government sanctioned appeasement.  While our troops are off fighting the sick ideology of radical religion our governments are allowing, you might even say enabling the pseudo-jihadists in our midsts.
 
Mourning said:
I thought incitement and a call to the use of violence was illegal/unconstitutional, but I'm not aware of the rules in the UK regarding this.

I think you may want to look "castigate" up in a dictionary.    ;D
 
I saw the video last night on google. The video depicts the outrages that the jihadists have perpetrated. The video could just as well be entitled "Why We Fight". The jihadists in the world today are making islam look bad. They have used kids as suicide bombers something I am sure muslims living in the west are horrified by. In the west homosexuals are part of society and in Iran they are hung a very good example of intolerance.
 
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