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Islamic Terrorism in the West ( Mega thread)

Just heard of a Muslim threatening other Muslims at a Mosque in London, Ontario, 20 March 2017.  Never made the MSM.

http://www.lfpress.com/2017/03/19/suspect-arrested-after-threatened-shooting-at-london-muslim-mosque
 
Flavus101 said:
And yet some are confused when people say enough with this coddling of the muslim religion. We aren't afraid to condemn Catholics, Protestants, Jews, etc. When you elevate one group above the rest it is only a matter of time before they believe that they are superior and can do what they wish without repercussion.

I hope charges come swiftly and the "leadership" of that localities religious institution is removed.

It's not a matter of time at all. Islamic extremists, and not so extreme-ists, have always felt it's destiny that they dominate the earth. This just reinforces their belief.
 
jollyjacktar said:
Abdullah, this appears to be a clear cut case of hate speech from the pulpit of a Montreal mosque from just before Christmas last year.

Maybe, maybe not. I followed the CBC link, tried googling this Sheikh and tried to find an english version of this video and failed to find anything to give me a wider understanding of what this sheikh was saying. The most I found was this. But it did not help.

Now without any context as to what the sheikh was saying and why, I have to make assumptions. The best I can tell is they are Quoting a Hadith about the end of times, that is traditionally found in the books of tribulations. Source

This Hadith, if it is the one he was talking about, details a prophetic war of Muslims vs the misguided Jews. Misguided being the operative word, a group of Jews will and do exist that follow Judaic beliefs as correctly as they can, this hadith is not talking about them as per my knowledge. This hadith is talking about Jews who have been misguided away from Judaic beliefs and follow the Dajjal (anti christ in christian terms). The full tafsir I can not recall right now, I do not know if Muslims or Jews start the war etc but I do know this hadith is not used by the Sharia (of the four traditional Madhabs) to legitimize anti-semitism or to encourage people to hurt or malign our Jewish brethren. It is used in part, to show the chaos of the end of times.

So if his talk was about the craziness of the end of times, it is not hate speech, in my opinion. But! If he used this hadith to legitimize hating our Jewish brethren, lock him up. Also, reading Deuteronomy or Numbers in the bible, should widen the view a bit. If this is hate speech, then what is in the bible is too. It is not what is written it is about how it is interpreted, how things get understood is extremely important.

 
A complaint to police about this has been made and is apparently the 2nd complaint in the past 40 days.

Aye, hopefully the police do a thorough job and mayhap we withhold our judgement until hate speech is proven.

 
This makes me ponder, despite your personal experience of never coming across it yourself in a western mosque, is this then just an eastern NA problem?  Or, is it catch as catch can where you maybe have been fortunate to have missed crap head days at whichever house of worship you were visiting or are the eastern branches of your faith up to no good at times. 

There are more Muslims then I on this site, they can maybe back up or debunk my position. Snippets of a conversation, does not, in my books, make a complete case against someone.

It is heartening to read in the story that there have been objections raised from within your community against this POS from Jordan's sermon.  But the fact that it was posted in video, on the website of this particular mosque after the fact, does suggest to me to be an official sanction of such filth from the powers that be there.  That, isn't cool or acceptable to me by any religious/non religious organization.  I hope the authorities take some affirmative action instead of quailing at the though of offending someone.

If someone can find the full video, translated, I can form a better opinion on if I agree or not. But right now, I do not have enough to work with to demonize a person, I am sorry. I am sure, if someone only used one paragraph of something I said, they could easily demonize me.. so until I get more information I am withholding judgement.

This Imam Ziad Asali guy, was being a bit spineless though, even the most rudimentary search would show hadiths like this as being Sahih ie perfectly accepted. He should have used his time in the spotlight to give the accepted tafsir of these hadiths, instead of deflecting it and not addressing the issue. Heck for all we know, this Jordanian Sheikh was trying to convince youth that anti semitism is not an Islamic ideal and was explaining the tafsir's of these hadiths. If the Prophet sws wept at the funeral pocession of a Jewish person and personally attended the Death bed of another Jewish person, it should do a lot to lend weight to the arguement that Islam does not encourage anti-semitism

Ill end with an opinion piece, weakly written 😂
http://www.jewishpress.com/indepth/opinions/shameless-anti-jewish-propaganda-is-based-on-false-hadith/2013/04/09/

Abdullah
 
http://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/us_58da7e56e4b0e96354656eb6 said:
How an apocalyptic tradition played into the hands of anti-Jewish and anti-Muslim hatemongers
A Jordanian cleric visiting Canada recently misleadingly cited a hadith without context or explanation, which rightly triggered condemnations from the Muslim community as well as numerous headlines around the world. A hadith is an oral report transmitted from the Prophet Muhammad, and can be incredibly complex as one needs to evaluate all the chains of transmission of a particular statement recorded in a hadith in order to arrive at an appropriate conclusion of what the particular hadith is actually talking about. In this case, a single phrase was cited, one describing rocks and trees calling out to Muslims, “There is a Jew behind me, come and kill him.”

This is not the first time that this text has been used to foment anti-Semitic sentiment within the Muslim community. Muslim leaders and scholars must forcefully denounce such rhetoric and clarify Islam’s unequivocal condemnation of all forms of anti-semitism, racism, discrimination, and xenophobia. Of course, Islamophobes pounced on the opportunity to trigger alarm bells and generate a new wave of propaganda accusing Muslims of genocidal ambitions towards Jews, and to claim that Islam is inherently anti-Semitic and a threat to Western civilization.

Explanation of the misquoted hadith
A story about a supernatural apocalyptic battle between good and evil

When we look up different narrations of the Hadith in question, we find out that the phrase being quoted is actually part of a larger narrative in the genre of eschatology (the part of theology dealing with the end times and the Day of Judgment), describing the return of Jesus and the apocalyptic battle between Jesus and the Dajjal (Antichrist). [1] In this battle that will take place between the armies of Jesus and the Dajjal, several miracles are said to occur including that the Dajjal will melt when Jesus sees him, and that inanimate rocks and trees will speak and identify soldiers of the Dajjal (Sunan Ibn Majah 4077).

This is a story about a battle between two groups of soldiers involved in war, one side of which is clearly unjust; it does not refer to innocent civilians. And it’s not actually a battle about ‘Muslims versus Jews’! As a matter of fact, Muslims believe that all righteous Christians, Jews, and Muslims will be following Jesus after he returns (Qur’an 4:159), while misguided Christians, Jews, and Muslims will be following the Dajjal. Indeed, other Hadith demonstrate that the vast majority of the Dajjal’s forces will actually be misguided Muslims (Sahih Bukhari 1881).

Jews are amongst the good guys in the Muslim apocalypse

Moreover, the vast majority of Jews will NOT be followers of the Dajjal, as hadith commentaries describe that the Dajjal’s followers will come from only two out of the twelve Israelite tribes, while most Jews will be righteous folk amongst the forces of good uniting with virtuous Christians and Muslims (Fayd al-Bari, Anwar Shah Kashmiri, 4/197). [2] After all, the Dajjal will be a murderous dictator who claims to be God, an anathema to all followers of the Abrahamic tradition as well as to all people of conscience.

Muslims do not believe that rocks and trees will be pointing out random innocent bystanders, but rather soldiers of the Dajjal - combatants who are themselves involved in killing innocent people. It is about these specific combatants in the Antichrist army that rocks and trees will say, “There is one hiding behind me, come and slay him!” The religious identity of the Dajjal’s soldiers includes evildoers from all backgrounds (including misguided Muslims). Other variants of the hadith state that the rocks and trees will simply say, “Here is a rejector of truth hiding behind me!” (Musnad Ahmad 3546), and do not use the word “Jew” to describe them.

Therefore, this hadith describes a future battle between warriors and can only occur after the return of Jesus; in no way can this hadith be interpreted as a prescription to go out and harm civilians or peaceful members of any faith community. The Qur’an explicitly condemns violence against civilians and non-combatants, stating “Whoever kills a soul it is as if he has slain all humanity,” (5:32) and, “So if they withdraw and do not fight you, and offer you peace, then God gives you no way against them,” (4:90). War is only permitted in defense against aggression or to aid the oppressed, as in the case of Jesus fighting against the Dajjal’s forces.

The question of Anti-Semitism and the Armageddon
All three Abrahamic faiths (Islam, Christianity and Judaism) have well-established traditions about a prophesied Messiah who will engage in a battle against the forces of evil in the end times, whether it be the return of Christ who will battle all the nations of the earth, or the coming of the Masiach ben Yossef who will destroy the Edomites and enemies of Israel. [3] All three groups have had to explicate these esoteric eschatological passages in order to steer clear of antagonism towards other communities. In 2012, A DNC County Chairman resigned after he said, “The Christians just want us to be there so we can be slaughtered and converted and bring on the second coming of Jesus Christ.” [4] The Bible describes the Armageddon in painful terms regarding the enemies of Christ/Israel (See: Zechariah 14:12). [5] It’s necessary for people of all faiths to not allow their texts about the end times to be hijacked in a way that validates hateful speech or actions in the present. All Abrahamic faiths have eschatological teachings that are esoteric and require careful critical interpretation. The mainstream leaders of all faith communities have consistently emphasized tolerance and respect for others.

Islam denounces all forms of anti-Semitism and racism
The Prophet Muhammad taught his companions to respect people of all faith backgrounds and to care for everyone. He said, “Donate in charity to people of all faiths” (Musannaf Ibn Abi Shaybah 3/177) [6] and he personally used to donate money regularly to sponsor a Jewish family in his community. [7] When the Prophet saw the funeral procession of a Jew passing by, he stood up out of respect. When some companions pointed out that the deceased was not Muslim, he rebuked them stating, “Is it not a human soul?” (Sahih Bukhari 1250). The lesson here is to respect all humanity. Some Jews converted to Islam and yet others, like the Rabbi Mukhayriq, continued to practice Judaism and still remained on good terms with the Prophet (Seerah Ibn Hisham 1/518). Even when the Prophet passed away, he had his armor mortgaged to a Jewish person (Sahih Bukhari 2759), a narration that shows he maintained good relations with Jews until his death. As the Qur’an says, “(God) does not forbid you from dealing kindly and justly with anyone who has not fought you for your faith or driven you out of your homes: God loves the just,” (60:8). According to Al-Tabari, one of the earliest commentators, this verse encourages good relations with “all the sects, creeds, and religions,” (Tafsir al-Tabari 60:8). These Qur’anic teachings have inspired Muslims throughout the ages. During World War II, the Grand Mosque in Paris rescued Jews fleeing the Nazis and provided them with a safe haven and means of escape. This is the legacy that Muslims must recall and revive.

In addition to respecting other faiths, Islam prohibits harming others and places great emphasis on Muslims maintaining positive relationships with those outside the faith. The Prophet Muhammad issued a stark warning about persecuting others, “Whoever harms a non-Muslim at peace with us will never smell the fragrance of paradise, although its fragrance can be found a distance of forty years of travel,” (Sahih Bukhari 6516). On the Day of Judgment, the Prophet himself will argue on behalf of persecuted non-Muslims and against the Muslims who persecuted them, “If anyone wrongs a non-Muslim at peace with us, violates his rights, burdens him with more work than he is able to do, or takes something from him without his consent, then I will be his advocate on the Day of Resurrection.” (Sunan Abi Dawud 3052). This stunning indictment should make any Muslim think twice before hurting anyone.

Yaqeen Institute will be releasing a full research paper studying the relationship between Muslims and Jews during the lifetime of Prophet Muhammad and during Islamic history by the end of April 2017.

These guys say the Cleric 'misleadingly' quoted this hadith and it is not the first time it has been used to forment anti-semitism in Islamic communities. No source yet, but good read none the less.

Abdullah

Ps Yaqeen Institute website https://yaqeeninstitute.org
 
So then, he's a fucking dickbag who shouldn't be let back into the country as far as I'm concerned.  He's trying to stir shit up and we don't need his kind of trash here.
 
jollyjacktar said:
So then, he's a fucking dickbag who shouldn't be let back into the country as far as I'm concerned.  He's trying to stir shit up and we don't need his kind of trash here.

Yup.

I don't buy into the BS that he was somehow taken out of context. He's standing up in front of a crowd talking about killing jews. Considering how literal many muslims take this shit he's insighting violence IMO.
 
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Calgary mosque tainted by 'dark element' of radicalization to close doors this week

Imam feels relief at new start after cluster of radicalized young men left to fight with terrorist groups

By Devin Heroux, Nazim Baksh, CBC News  Posted: Mar 30, 2017 5:00 AM MT| Last Updated: Mar 30, 2017 5:00 AM MT
A Calgary mosque that became a focus in terrorism investigations after several men who prayed there left to fight abroad is closing its doors Friday — a move that leaves its imam and community with a sense of relief.

Nearly three years ago, CBC News revealed the identities of Salman Ashrafi, Damian Clairmont and others who left Canada to fight with jihadi groups in Syria and Iraq. All had attended prayers at the 8th and 8th mosque in downtown Calgary — whose name originates in its location at 835 8th Ave. SW. Many were killed abroad.

The imam, Navaid Aziz, told CBC News the community plans to begin anew, although it hasn't finalized its new mosque location. There's a sense of relief about finally leaving a place that became synonymous with radicalization, Aziz says.

"It was a place I taught and gave lectures. I performed people's marriages. We celebrated people's births in this mosque," said Aziz.

"Then there was this dark element that lingered over it, that overshadowed and overpowered all of these amazing experiences over something I had no control over, something I had nothing to do with.

"Once that negative incident happened, that was so powerful, that outshined all of the positivity. That's how I viewed 8th and 8th."

Aziz recalls a time he wanted to lock himself in a room and not come out. But now he's stepping out of the mosque and into the community.

In mid-March, Aziz organized the Stronger Together conference in Calgary. Hundreds of Muslims attended to address challenges facing the community.

It's a far cry from April 2012, when Aziz arrived from Montreal. There was no handbook or training manual for what he was about to encounter

In early 2014 Calgary began dominating headlines as Canada's jihadi hotspot.

Aziz felt the community wanted someone to take responsibility for the men radicalizing in a room connected to the mosque. So he did, even though he says it was impossible to know for sure what was going on

"I saw them a couple of times, but I never saw anything first-hand that would arouse my suspicion. In front of me nothing ever happened," Aziz said.

"I could never infiltrate that circle," he said. "Eventually, I find out that they're gone."

Clairmont, Ashrafi, Tamim Chowdhury, Ahmad Waseem and brothers Gregory and Collin Gordon — who converted to Islam and became known to members of Calgary's Muslim community as Abdul Malik and Khalid — left  Canada months apart. They were all killed fighting under the banner of ISIS

There have been no confirmed reports of the death of Farah Shirdon, another member of the 8th and 8th mosque. Shirdon, who was enrolled in the Southern Alberta Institute of Technology in Calgary until at least 2012, got worldwide notoriety when he appeared in an ISIS video released in 2014.

Before burning his Canadian passport, Shirdon, in full view of the camera lens, issues a threat to Canada, the U.S. and "all oppressors."

"We are coming and we will destroy you by the will of God," Shirdon says on the video.

He faces six criminal charges related to his alleged support of ISIS

Aziz says he knew Shirdon better than the other men who ended up with ISIS.

"When you think of that moment of where he takes the Canadian passport, tears it up and throws it into the flames, for me that is such a scene out of a Hollywood movie. It was such a dark moment for me," said Aziz.

While intelligence officers and police were looking for the cause of this radicalization, Aziz says he too was once a target.

"I was interviewed regularly after that time," Aziz said. "I would have trouble getting back into the country, getting held two or three hours by CBSA [Canada Border Services Agency] saying my file was flagged.

"I understood where it was coming from but I didn't appreciate the lack of clarity."

Aziz says he wishes he could have had a conversation with officials.

Instead, Aziz says, he co-operated with authorities for months. Police finally came around and saw him as an asset, he says. He went from being an alleged radicalizer to becoming the Muslim chaplain for the Calgary Police Service.

"I said I would love to do it. I want to help people. I want to make the world a better place," says Aziz.

Aziz says the experience at the 8th and 8th mosque has taught him valuable lessons. Today he says he is able to identify signs of radicalization in an individual before it is too late.

Many Muslims were in denial — but that's changing: former CSIS analyst

A former Canadian Security Intelligence Service analyst says security agencies were looking for partners in the community to stem the flow of men joining ISIS — but many in the Muslim community were in a state of a denial that it was happening.

Phil Gurski, who was a strategic analyst with CSIS for more than 30 years, says he wishes Aziz was as engaged then as he is now.
■Talk more politics, less religion, say critics

"He's trying to work with the police, with the authorities to say 'OK, can we work with these people, can we get to these people before it's too late?'" Gurski said.

"That denial has largely left because they know it's happening. We are not trying to say it's systemic, and it's certainly not existential, but it is happening," said Gurski.

Aziz hailed as key ally to fight extremism

CBC News has spoken with Nader Khalil, an RCMP outreach co-ordinator, and Const. Kim MacDonald of the Calgary Police diversity resource team, who say Aziz has emerged as an important ally in the fight against extremism in Calgary.

Muslim parents come to him with their concerns. Security agencies, government officials and interfaith groups say they're leaning on Aziz to help reshape the perception of Muslims in Calgary.

AUTHOR BIOS:

Nazim Baksh is an investigative producer with CBC News based in Toronto. He has won numerous awards over the years for his work on The National, The Fifth Estate and the CBC's documentary unit among more. Since 9/11, he has worked extensively on issues of national security and violent religious extremism.

Devin Heroux reports for CBC News and Sports. He's now based in Toronto, after working for the CBC in Calgary and Saskatoon

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/calgary/calgary-mosque-radicalization-8th-and-8th-1.4042692
 
http://www.vernonmorningstar.com/news/awareness-created-about-islam/ said:
Awareness created about Islam
About 113 people attended a Saturday information session hosted by the Vernon Muslim Association
RICHARD ROLKESat Apr 1st, 2017 1:15pmNEWS





Misconceptions about Islam were tackled head-on.

About 113 people attended a Saturday information session hosted by the Vernon Muslim Association partly as a result of recent mosque killings in Quebec and violence around the world.

“It’s incumbent on every person, and especially Muslims, to stand up and speak out,” said Muhammad William Saleh, who led the discussion.

And Saleh’s first target was the Islamic State, which has created upheaval in Iraq and Syria.

“It couldn’t be anything further from an Islamic state,” he said of the terrorist group.

“This is nothing more than a power grab.”

Some tension arose quickly as a woman took issue with Saleh’s interpretation of British and French colonialism and the impact globally.

“I can’t listen to this. What about the Ottoman Empire?” she said.

As she left the building, Saleh explained that oppression by European and American powers over the years, including propping up dictatorships, has shaped the perspective of individuals in those nations.

“They haven’t seen the good the west has brought to the world. If we are to speak about terrorism, we have to talk about why,” he said.

While some politicians, the media and religious leaders will point to passages of the Qur’an to describe all of Islam, Saleh says that isn’t wise.

“Context is huge. You can’t understand anything without context. A lot of verses are specific to events that happened to Muhammad,” he said.

“The people who are the problem are Muslims without intelligence. They have no understanding of their own religion. If we don’t speak out against these people, what good am I?”

Saleh insists that violence is not part of Islam.

“If the end goal is to have all of you become Muslim, will I achieve that by blowing up your kids? No. If violence is to spread our religion, what kind of religion is that to follow?”

Saleh also touched on the role of women and he says women covering up depends more on the culture of specific countries than it does with Islam itself.

“I have a highly educated wife. I’ve never asked her to cover her head. It’s a choice she’s made,” he said.

Some of Saleh’s comments were challenged and comparisons were made to Christianity.

“If a lot of North American converts to Islam don’t understand what it means, it’s open to interpretation,” said a woman.

However, another person in the audience countered that, “We’re here to learn how to move forward and not to debate what is best, the Qur’an or the Bible.”

A man in the crowd also presented his views.

“This is not a Christian country, this is a secular country. If you look at churches on Sunday, most people are not there,” he said.

Saleh insists that Islam’s roots include the new and old testaments of the Bible and Jesus Christ and Moses are considered important.

“But we believe the Qur’an is the last of those books,” he said.

For Saleh, the key to Saturday’s event was to bring people together and to start a conversation.

“We should never take what the media tells us. We should do our own research and get our own facts,” he said

Muhammad William is a very close friend of mine, our opinions on Islamic matters do differ a bit, but his knowledge far exceeds mine. He has done a number of functions like these and I respect him greatly for it.

Abdullah
 
Stockholm Truck Attack Kills 4; Terrorism Is Suspected
STOCKHOLM — A man drove a stolen beer truck into a crowd of people in a popular shopping district in Stockholm on Friday afternoon and then rammed it into a department store, killing four people and injuring 15 others in an attack that unleashed bloodshed on the streets of another European capital.
https://mobile.nytimes.com/2017/04/07/world/europe/stockholm-attack.html



Jarnhamar said:
[although in fairness the identity of the attacker hasn't been confirmed]
 
Jarnhamar said:
Stockholm Truck Attack Kills 4; Terrorism Is Suspectedhttps://mobile.nytimes.com/2017/04/07/world/europe/stockholm-attack.html

I am certain it is just a tragic "truck hits shopping mall accident". Happens every day.
 
SeaKingTacco said:
I am certain it is just a tragic "truck hits shopping mall accident". Happens every day.

Apparently this has the Swedish PM's attention:

Swedish PM: Everything indicates crash is terror attack
Swedish Prime Minister Stefan Lofven has said everything indicates that the Stockholm truck crash is "a terror attack".

The Swedish intelligence agency also described the truck crash as an attack not an accident.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/04/07/truck-crashes-crowd-people-stockholm/

Terror in Sweden - although having met a Swede or two I am not sure what a terrorized Swede might look like.  I am not sure it is allowed.
 
A suspected terrorist targeted young children deliberately as he drove a hijacked lorry into a crowded shopping street in Stockholm, witnesses claimed last night.

Infants’ buggies were sent “flying through the air”, one Swedish broadcaster reported, as the vehicle zigzagged along the pedestrianised Queen Street shopping district and embedded itself in the window of a department store.

“It swerved from side to side. It didn’t look out of control, it was trying to hit people,” a second witness, Glen Foran, an Australian tourist, told Reuters. “It hit people, it was terrible. It hit a pram with a kid in it, demolished it.”
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/04/07/truck-crashes-crowd-people-stockholm/

Lovely.
 
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4393590/Police-officers-Stockholm-attacked-STONES.html?ito=social-twitter_mailonline
Police officers responding to the Stockholm terror atrocity were attacked by a gang of youths who pelted them with stones last night, Swedish policemen have said.

The attack happened last night near Rinkeby, part of the 'immigrant no-go zone' that gained notoriety when President Trump referred to it in a controversial speech in February.

It is thought that the officers were taking part in an operation to arrest a 17-year-old and his mother at an address linked to the 39-year-old prime suspect.
 
These two shitbirds have stepped up to US target lists now.  Hopefully they'll get serviced one of these days soon.

Former Calgary man Farah Mohamed Shirdon 1 of 2 Canadians added to U.S. terrorist list
Farah Mohamed Shirdon and Tarek Sakr were named as 'Specially Designated Global Terrorists' by U.S.

The U.S. Department of State has added two Canadians to its most-wanted global terrorist list. 
Farah Mohamed Shirdon and Tarek Sakr were named as "Specially Designated Global Terrorists," according to a release from the State Department.

The designation "imposes sanctions on foreign persons determined to have committed, or pose a serious risk of committing, acts of terrorism that threaten the security of U.S. nationals or the national security, foreign policy, or economy of the United States."

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/calgary/farah-mohamed-shirdon-tarek-sakr-u-s-terrorist-designation-1.4081885
 
Busted & outta the fight ...
A former Air Force mechanic convicted of trying to join the Islamic State was sentenced to a maximum 35-year prison term in Brooklyn federal court Wednesday after a long diatribe blaming his conviction on being black and Muslim drew the patriotic wrath of the judge.

“This isn’t about whether you’re Muslim, Christian or Jewish,” U.S. District Judge Nicholas Garaufis told Tairod Pugh, 49. “This is about whether you’re going to stand up for your country or betray your country which has done so much for you. . . . I have no sympathy.”

Garaufis also blasted Pugh’s repeated references to his military service with one parting shot after telling him he’d be in prison for the next 420 months.

“The work of the Islamic State is to destroy our way of life,” Garaufis said. “I can’t imagine someone who served in the U.S. military . . . would want for a single instant to consider crossing the border into Syria to destroy what we have built over the last 240 years. It’s a very sad thing you have done.”

Pugh, of Neptune, New Jersey, was convicted last year of attempting to give material support to a terror group and obstructing justice after traveling to Istanbul with an alleged plan to join the Islamic State, or ISIS, and trying to destroy incriminating evidence on his laptop and thumb drives when he was stopped at the airport.

Before trial, the government offered a plea that would have carried a maximum of 15 years in prison, but Pugh became the first alleged Islamic State recruit to take his case to trial with a defense that he never had the intent to join. Prosecutors did not request the maximum, asking for a sentence from 30 to 35 years.

Pugh served as an avionics specialist from 1986 to 1990, and then worked on both military and private planes for civilian contractors from 1995 to 2015, both in the United States and the Mideast. Although his laptop had jihadist videos and Facebook posts supporting the Islamic State, there was no evidence he ever tried to contact the terror groups, and he never sent a letter to his wife that said he was joining.

Defense lawyer Susan Kellman said Pugh was a troubled man” diagnosed with mental problems who never clearly signaled an intent to join the Islamic State, but was convicted of “thinking out loud” about how a Muslim convert should fit into the world. She urged a sentence under 15 years ...
U.S. Attorney's Office Eastern District of New York statement attached.
 

Attachments

Reprise on how to "turn" the population to our side. Certainly nothing we have tried to date seems to have worked:

https://pjmedia.com/spengler/2017/06/03/counter-terror-lessons-from-americas-civil-war/

Counter-terror Lessons from America's Civil War
BY DAVID P. GOLDMAN JUNE 3, 2017

The essay below first appeared a year ago in The Asia Times, under the headline, "Why the terrorists are winning the intelligence war." There's a tried and true American approach to suppressing terrorism, and it worked quite well during Gen. Sherman's 1863 Kentucky campaign and Gen. Phil Sheridan's subsequent reduction of the Shenandoah Valley. We don't have to be particularly smart; we merely have to do some disgusting things. Sherman and Sheridan suppressed sniping at Union soldiers by Confederate civilians by burning the towns (just the towns, not the townsfolk) that sheltered them. In other words, they forced collective responsibility upon a hostile population, a doctrine that in peacetime is entirely repugnant, but that in wartime becomes unavoidable. By contrast, the peacetime procedure of turning petty criminals into police snitches has backfired terribly. No doubt we will learn that the perpetrators of tonight's horror at London Bridge were known to police, like the Manchester Arena suicide bomber and most of the perpetrators of large-scale terrorist acts in Europe during the past several years. (Update: "At Least One London Bridge Terrorist Was a 'Known Wolf'") The remedy is time-tested and straightforward. We merely require the will to apply it.

Why the terrorists are winning the intelligence war

Yet another criminal known to security services has perpetrated a mass killing, the Tunisian Mohamed Lahouaiej-Bouhlel. Why did the French police allow a foreign national with a criminal record of violence to reside in France? Apart from utter incompetence, the explanation is that he was a snitch for the French authorities. Blackmailing Muslim criminals to inform on prospective terrorists is the principal activity of European counter-terrorism agencies, as I noted in 2015. Every Muslim in Europe knows this.

The terrorists, though, have succeeded in turning the police agents sent to spy on them and forcing them to commit suicide attacks to expiate their sins. This has become depressingly familiar; as Ryan Gallagher reported recently, perpetrators already known to the authorities committed ten of the highest-profile attacks between 2013 and 2015.

The terrorists, in other words, are adding insult to injury. By deploying police snitches as suicide attackers, terrorists assert their moral superiority and power over western governments. The message may be lost on the western public, whose security agencies and media do their best to obscure it, but it is well understood among the core constituencies of the terrorist groups: the superiority of Islam turns around the depraved criminals whom the western police send to spy on us, and persuades them to become martyrs for the cause of Islam.
These attacks, in other words, are designed to impress the Muslim public as much as they are intended to horrify the western public. In so many words, the terrorists tell Muslims that western police agencies cannot protect them. If they cooperate with the police they will be found out and punished.  The West fears the power of Islam: it evinces such fear by praising Islam as a religion of peace, by squelching dissent in the name of fighting supposed Islamophobia, and by offering concessions and apologies to Muslims. Ordinary Muslims live in fear of the terror networks, which have infiltrated their communities and proven their ability to turn the efforts of western security services against them. They are less likely to inform on prospective terrorists and more likely to aid them by inaction.

The terrorists, in short, are winning the intelligence war, because they have shaped the environment in which intelligence is gathered and traded. But that is how intelligence wars always proceed: spies switch sides and tell their stories because they want to be with the winner. ISIS and al-Qaeda look like winners in the eyes of western Muslim populations after humiliating the security services of the West.

As a result, western European Muslims fear the terrorists more than they fear the police. The West will remain vulnerable to mass terror attacks until the balance of fear shifts in the other direction.

As the Prussian army drove into France during the 1870 war with France, Germany’s Chancellor Otto von Bismarck sought the advice of the American military observer, none other than Phil Sheridan, whose cavalry had burned out the farmers of the Shenandoah Valley in the last stages of the conflict. What should Bismarck do about French snipers and saboteurs from villages along the Prussian route of march? Sheridan told Bismarck to burn the villages, leaving the people “with nothing left but their eyes to weep with after the war.” That, and hang the snipers, Sheridan threw in.

Like Gen. William Tecumseh Sherman, who burned a great swath through Georgia and the Carolinas, Sheridan believed that war is won not just by killing soldiers but by denying them support from a broader civilian population. There’s nothing particularly clever about this insight. One learns from James Lee McDonough’s new biography of Sherman how ordinary the great man was–a competent military officer without a minute’s combat experience before the war began, then an honest but unsuccessful banker. When the war came Sherman came close to a nervous breakdown, trying in vain to convince his masters that they would have to kill 300,000 Southern soldiers and devastate the Confederacy to win the war. He then distinguished himself in combat at Shiloh in 1863 and went on to become the scourge of the Deep South.

The Union always had more men and more resources; what it lacked was generals with the stomach for the job. That meant not only the grisly war of attrition waged by Grant, another middling commander with absolute resolve, but also retaliation against civilians: When snipers fired on Union soldiers from Tennessee or Kentucky villages, Sherman expelled residents, burned houses, and laid waste to crops. There are lessons here for what we used to call, quaintly, the Global War on Terror.

Destroying ISIS, al-Qaeda and other Muslim terror groups is not particularly difficult, far less difficult than Sherman or Sheridan’s task during the Civil War. It simply requires doing some disgusting things. Western intelligence doesn’t have to infiltrate terror groups, tap phones, mine social media postings and so forth (although these doubtless are worth doing). Muslim communities in the West will inform on the terrorists. They will tell police when someone has packed up and gone to Syria, and when he has returned. They will tell police who is talking about killing westerners, who has a suspicious amount of cash, who is listening to broadcasts from Salafist preachers.

They will tell western security services everything they need to know, provided that western security services ask in the right way. I mean in Phil Sheridan’s way. Like the victorious Union generals of the Civil War, the West does not have to be particularly clever. It simply needs to understand what kind of war is is fighting.

Most Muslims are peaceful people who disapprove of terrorism, but many are not. Opinion polls show a large and consistent minority  of 20% to 40% approves of at least some form of terrorism. Support for ISIS generally is low, but much higher for Hezbollah, Hamas and other terrorist groups. By any reasonable count there are a few hundred million Muslims who in some way approve of terror, although very few of them would take part in terror attacks. But they are the sea in which the sharks can swim unobserved. They may not build bombs, but they will turn a blind eye to terrorists in their midst, especially if those terrorists are relations. They also fear retaliation from the terrorists if they inform.

The way to win the war is to frighten the larger community of Muslims who passively support terror by action or inaction–frighten them so badly that they will inform on family members. Frightening the larger Muslim population in the West does not require a great deal of effort: a few thousand deportations would do. Western intelligence services do not even have to deport the right people; the wrong people know who they are, and so do many of their neighbors. The ensuing conversation is an easy one to have. “I understand that your nephew is due for deportation, Hussein, and I believe you when you tell me that he has done nothing wrong. I might be able to help you. But you have to help me. Give me something I can use–and don’t waste my time by making things up, or I swear that I’ll deport you, too. If you don’t have any information, then find out who does.”

This approach to quashing insurgency has worked numerous times in the past. It is not characteristic of peacetime life in western democracies, to be sure, but neither was Phil Sheridan’s ride through the Shenandoah. We prefer to think about winning hearts and minds. Winning the hearts and minds of a people, though, isn’t difficult once they fear you.
 
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