Islamic Terrorism in the West ( Mega thread)

[Czech_pivo]

Public schools espouse a series of standards and principles they claim to promote, however they generally follow the path of least resistance when things get messy. My daughter was getting harassed by a kid with 'issues" and the teachers and principle were ignoring his behaviour and giving him a pass. I told them, she will defend herself next time and has our full backing. I also pointed out that self-defense is a right in Canada and they also have a duty to protect my daughter when under their care. After she slugged him hard, he left her alone and focused on the kids that would not defend themselves. The kid knew exactly what he was doing and was given to much leeway by the school. This is just one example and I know of many more.
Private schools also espouse standards and principles and will abide by them as long as it does not impact revenue.

The school boards are all petrified at being sued by parents and/or having 'Human Rights' charges brought against them. Not uncommon for EA's to wear Kevlar 'anti-bite' sleeves and spit shields daily in the class while working with their assigned student.

 

[OldSolduer]

Public schools espouse a series of standards and principles they claim to promote, however they generally follow the path of least resistance when things get messy. My daughter was getting harassed by a kid with 'issues" and the teachers and principle were ignoring his behaviour and giving him a pass. I told them, she will defend herself next time and has our full backing. I also pointed out that self-defense is a right in Canada and they also have a duty to protect my daughter when under their care. After she slugged him hard, he left her alone and focused on the kids that would not defend themselves. The kid knew exactly what he was doing and was given to much leeway by the school. This is just one example and I know of many more.
Private schools also espouse standards and principles and will abide by them as long as it does not impact revenue.

Their is only ONE language a bully will truly understand and its the same with terrorists.

Enough said.

 

[Colin Parkinson]

The school boards are all petrified at being sued by parents and/or having 'Human Rights' charges brought against them. Not uncommon for EA's to wear Kevlar 'anti-bite' sleeves and spit shields daily in the class while working with their assigned student.

There are some kids that have no concept of action/consequences and never will. Most of the students understand that of these kids. However there are a lot of kids who are partly on the spectrum but can understand action and consequences and have learned to exploit their "handicap". In fact we don't do them any favours by not holding them to a standard, because once they leave the school system and government care, they fail to intergrade into society and become a burden.

 

[lenaitch]

The school boards are all petrified at being sued by parents and/or having 'Human Rights' charges brought against them. Not uncommon for EA's to wear Kevlar 'anti-bite' sleeves and spit shields daily in the class while working with their assigned student.

I'm not convinced that is universally true. A lot of boards are a hotbed of social justice activism (and in some cases I'm being kind), often with some bird liberal arts degrees. They drive the idealistic, eutopian, mollycoddling approach and fail to support teachers when they try to actually control their classes. It often takes little more than minimal motivation and a small pool of like-minded voters to successfully being elected in most boards. The public engagement with school board candidates is typically abysmal.

 

[Halifax Tar]

I'm not convinced that is universally true. A lot of boards are a hotbed of social justice activism (and in some cases I'm being kind), often with some bird liberal arts degrees. They drive the idealistic, eutopian, mollycoddling approach and fail to support teachers when they try to actually control their classes. It often takes little more than minimal motivation and a small pool of like-minded voters to successfully being elected in most boards. The public engagement with school board candidates is typically abysmal.

Don't kid yourself many of our teachers have bought into the same kind of rot that is in the school boards too.

 

[lenaitch]

Don't kid yourself many of our teachers have bought into the same kind of rot that is in the school boards too.

For sure, but the post I was replying to claimed the boards were cowering to the parents.

 

[SeaKingTacco]

For sure, but the post I was replying to claimed the boards were cowering to the parents.

Depends on the School Board.

Some school boards are completely enthralled by their own ideological genius- real world be damned. Other School Boards are completely run by the parents. And that is not a universal success, either.

 

[OldSolduer]

Depends on the School Board.

Some school boards are completely enthralled by their own ideological genius- real world be damned. Other School Boards are completely run by the parents. And that is not a universal success, either.

We don't give enough thought or weight to election of school trustees. Usually they are just names on a ballot and no one really knows their platform until you elect a "progressive" board who doesn't think math or history are relevant.
Or common sense for that matter.

 

[RangerRay]

We don't give enough thought or weight to election of school trustees. Usually they are just names on a ballot and no one really knows their platform until you elect a "progressive" board who doesn't think math or history are relevant.
Or common sense for that matter.

Ever read campaign material, if they even make it, by school board candidates? It’s the most anodyne stuff produced. You get absolutely no idea of their real agenda and no opportunities to question them. All you can do is read that anodyne stuff and their biographical materials and see if you can find small red flags, if possible.

 

[The Bread Guy]

One of the tools Holland is weilding.

Netherlands moves to criminalize glorifying terrorism

The Dutch government has proposed legislation that would make it illegal to glorify terrorism or publicly support terrorist organizations, citing the growing threat such acts pose to national security and the democratic rule of law. The bill, which has completed its consultation phase, has now...

nltimes.nl

This from a Google translate of the NLD info-machine posting on this (highlights mine):

Wetsvoorstel om verheerlijken van terrorisme strafbaar te stellen naar Raad van State

Terrorisme vormt een ernstige bedreiging voor de democratische rechtsstaat en de veiligheid van de Nederlandse samenleving. Terroristische en gewelddadige boodschappen verspreiden zich, zeker online, razendsnel over de hele wereld. Daarom heeft het kabinet besloten om het verheerlijken van...

www.rijksoverheid.nl

... The bill introduces three criminal offenses. First, it will be a criminal offense to publicly, for example, through speech, text, or image, excessively praise a terrorist offense punishable by life imprisonment, such as a terrorist attack that resulted in death or injury. This so-called glorification of terrorism is punishable by a prison sentence of up to three years or a substantial fine. The distribution of material that glorifies terrorist violence, such as a video of an attack accompanied by laudatory commentary, will also be criminalized. This offense is punishable by a prison sentence of up to two years or a fine.

Finally, publicly expressing support for banned terrorist organizations will be made a criminal offense. This can occur if someone publicly waves flags of banned terrorist organizations, or wears clothing with certain symbols or logos of a banned terrorist organization, thereby contributing to others sharing that organization's goal of committing terrorist crimes. Expressing support on (social) media will also be punishable. This offense also carries a maximum prison sentence of three years or a fine.

 

[lenaitch]

We don't give enough thought or weight to election of school trustees. Usually they are just names on a ballot and no one really knows their platform until you elect a "progressive" board who doesn't think math or history are relevant.
Or common sense for that matter.

And we have been just as guilty of that. Unless there has been some notorious issue, they were just names on a ballot, and names of people we've never heard of. At least local mayor and council are . . .well, local. In Ontario, particularly in the north, school boards cover a huge area. Toss in the multiple boards within a given area (English Public, English Separate, French Public, French Separate) and we, like most people, just left that part of the ballot blank. In our last place, we even had a Protestant Separate Board. I lived in one place years ago that had one high school run by four boards.

 

[The Bread Guy]

Across the pond ....

Two men found guilty of UK plot to kill hundreds of Jews as ISIS fears grow

Two men were found guilty on Tuesday of plotting to kill hundreds in an Islamic State-inspired gun rampage against the Jewish community in England, a planned attack investigators say demonstrates the resurgent risk posed by the militant group.

www.cp24.com

Two men found guilty of Manchester plot to ‘kill as many Jewish people as they could’

Preston court finds Walid Saadaoui and Amar Hussein guilty of preparing acts of terrorism after buying AK-47s from undercover officer

www.theguardian.com

Pair convicted of plotting gun attack on mass gathering of Jews

Counter-terrorism police intervened on the ‘strike day’ of May 8 last year, with more than 200 officers involved.

ca.news.yahoo.com

UK convicts two men of terrorism plot against Jews | The Jerusalem Post

Walid Saadaoui, 38, and Amar Hussein, 52, were found guilty of a single charge of preparing terrorist acts after a trial at Preston Crown Court.

www.jpost.com

More MSM via Google News here.

 

[Brad Sallows]

Across the pond ....

When people plot to kill "hundreds" and are apprehended before following through, do those numbers count on the scoreboards on which threats are ranked by body count?

 

[brihard]

When people plot to kill "hundreds" and are apprehended before following through, do those numbers count on the scoreboards on which threats are ranked by body count?

Nope, just a couple dumb assholes before the courts.

They probably would have gotten five or six and been dropped by a responding cop.

 

[Kirkhill]

Afghanistan News Today – Breaking News, Politics, Sports & Live Updates | Ariana News

Stay informed with the latest breaking news from Afghanistan. Politics, business, sports, and culture updates in English – all in one place.

www.ariananews.af

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https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2025/12/21/syed-asim-munir-pakistan-army-power/

Saudi Arabia awards Pakistan’s powerful army chief highest national honour after defense pact

Pakistan’s army chief, Field Marshal Asim Munir has been awarded Suadi Arabia's highest national honour during his visit to Riyadh.

www.thestar.com

Pakistan's military chief Asim Munir in spotlight over Trump's Gaza plan

Pakistan's most powerful military chief in decades faces the toughest test of his newly amassed powers as Washington pushes Islamabad to contribute troops to the Gaza stabilisation force, a move analysts say could spark domestic backlash.

www.reuters.com

‘A king above all’: The rise and rise of Asim Munir, Pakistan’s increasingly powerful army chief

Known as Trump’s ‘favourite field marshal’, Munir’s power now extends over all the armed forces, along with lifelong immunity from prosecution, thanks to a constitutional amendment

www.theguardian.com

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Pakistani influence operations.

"Mr Speaker, with your permission, I will update the House on the audit the government commissioned from Baroness Casey on child sexual exploitation and grooming gangs, and on the action we are taking to tackle this vile crime – to put perpetrators behind bars, and to provide the innocent victims of those crimes with support and justice.

"The House will be aware that on Friday, 7 men were found guilty of the most horrendous crimes in Rochdale between 2000 and 2006.

"They were convicted of treating teenage girls as sex slaves – repeatedly raping them in filthy flats, alleyways and warehouses. The perpetrators included taxi drivers and market traders of Pakistani heritage, and it has taken 20 years to bring them to justice."

Baroness Casey's audit of group-based child sexual exploitation and abuse

The Home Secretary updated the House on the National Audit on Group-based Child Sexual Exploitation and Abuse ('grooming gangs') carried out by Baroness Casey.

www.gov.uk

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Pakistani ISI military intelligence, Islamists and China.

Pakistan Army and Terrorism; an unholy alliance

www.efsas.org

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Military coups in Pakistan - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

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Instability

 

[Kirkhill]

AI Overview



While both Wahhabism (Saudi Arabia's state ideology) and the Muslim Brotherhood (Egyptian-founded) seek strict Islamic governance via Sharia and Quran, they historically allied against common enemies (West, communism) but diverged politically, with Wahhabism supporting monarchies (like Saudi) and the Brotherhood often opposing them, leading to Saudi crackdowns on Brotherhood members in the Kingdom, especially after the Arab Spring and events in Egypt, viewing them as ideological threats despite shared fundamentalist roots
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Shared Ideological Ground (Historically)

• Return to Purity: Both movements advocate returning to a strict, pure form of Islam, emphasizing Sharia law and rejecting innovations (bid'a).
• Anti-Western Sentiment: Both share a mistrust of Western values and influences, aiming for a society based on Islamic principles.
• Jihad & Political Islam: Both have engaged in political activism and movements, including supporting jihad (e.g., in Afghanistan against Soviets).

Key Differences & Saudi-Brotherhood Relationship

• Political Structure: Wahhabism, intrinsically linked to the Saudi monarchy, reinforces traditional, hierarchical rule, while the Brotherhood promotes a more activist, popular, and sometimes revolutionary political Islam, challenging monarchies.
• Saudi Support (Then): Under King Faisal, Saudi Arabia welcomed Brotherhood figures (like Muhammad Qutb) and resources, using them to counter rising Arab nationalism and secularism, notes The Washington Institute.
• Conflict (Now): Post-Arab Spring, especially after the Brotherhood came to power in Egypt, Saudi Arabia grew hostile, viewing them as destabilizing. The Kingdom declared the Brotherhood a terrorist organization and suppressed its followers in Saudi Arabia.

Wahhabism in Saudi Arabia

• Official Doctrine: Wahhabism is a rigid, Hanbali-based reform movement defining Saudi Arabia's religious identity, focused on purifying Islam and enforcing strict Sharia.
• State-Sponsored: The ideology is institutionalized and supported by the Saudi state for legitimacy and control.

In essence, while they share fundamentalist goals, their differing views on state power (monarchy vs. popular rule) led to an ideological and political clash, with Saudi Arabia increasingly cracking down on the Muslim Brotherhood as a threat to its rule.

 

[Kirkhill]

Wahhabism and the Muslim Brotherhood represent two distinct, often rivalrous, strains of conservative Sunni Islam that have historically influenced Saudi Arabia and Pakistan in different ways.

Wahhabism and Saudi Arabia
Wahhabism is a puritanical, revivalist movement named after 18th-century scholar Muhammad ibn Abd al-Wahhab. It formed a foundational politico-religious alliance with the House of Saud in 1744, providing the ideological basis for the creation and expansion of the Saudi state.

• State Ideology: For over 250 years, Wahhabism was the official creed of Saudi Arabia, shaping its judicial, educational, and social policies.
• Global Propagation: Utilizing vast oil revenues, the Saudi government and private donors have funded the global spread of Wahhabi/Salafi ideology through mosques, schools, and charities since the 1970s.
• Recent Shifts: Since 2017, Crown Prince Mohammed bin Salman has initiated reforms that have curbed the power of the religious establishment, leading to a "post-Wahhabi era" domestically, though its global influence continues.

The Muslim Brotherhood
Founded in Egypt in 1928, the Muslim Brotherhood is a pan-Islamic, political, and social movement that seeks to mold society based on Islamic principles and often opposes hereditary monarchies.

• Historical Alliance: The Wahhabi establishment and the Muslim Brotherhood were ideological allies during the Cold War, united by their opposition to Western culture, secular nationalism (like Nasser's in Egypt), and communism.
• Saudi Repression: In the 1960s, Saudi Arabia granted asylum to Muslim Brotherhood ideologues fleeing persecution in Egypt and Syria, and they took influential positions within the Saudi educational system. However, the relationship later soured due to the Brotherhood's revolutionary political ideals that challenged the Saudi monarchy's legitimacy. Saudi Arabia officially designated the Muslim Brotherhood as a terrorist organization in 2014.

Influence in Pakistan
Pakistan, which historically had a tolerant, Sufi-infused Islamic tradition, saw the rise of conservative Saudi-exported Wahhabi/Salafi Islam in recent decades.

• Saudi Funding: The 1970s oil boom and the Soviet-Afghan war provided a backdrop for extensive Saudi funding of mosques and madrasas (religious schools) in Pakistan, which helped spread the conservative ideology.
• Political Islam: Influential Pakistani Islamist scholars, such as Syed Abul A'la Maududi of the Jamaat-i Islami party, made common cause with Wahhabi and Muslim Brotherhood ideologues, adopting a shared approach to political Islam.
• Sectarianism: The influx of Wahhabi influence and ideological rivalry with post-revolution Iran has contributed to increased sectarian violence and the rise of hard-line Islam in Pakistan.