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Israel strikes Hard at Hamas In Gaza- Dec/ 27/ 2008

Well,

I'll take the bite and try a shoot in the dark :

Mayhaps it is to proof to theirs lenders/supporters that they are
doing something against what may be seems by them like the
"Great Evil" . And to hell with the consequence for their compatriots,
because they're passionate about it ?
 
Bo said:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2009/jan/07/gaza-israel-palestine

Probably one of the best articles I've read to date regarding the current situation in Gaza. The author is Avi Shlaim, an Oxford professor who is of Israeli descent and served in the IDF. I hope everyone can agree that he is a credible source.

Here are some excerpts:

The problem is that back in 1947 the population of the area both Arab and Jewish was small enough to allow for 2 states to exist. With the population expansion on both sides, 2 states side by side and viable is highly unlikely. In 48 the Arabs gambled and lost. The world is going to have to choose either a Palestinian state or an Israeli one. Even a independent West bank will be highly dependent on both Jordon and Israel to survive and function. The world of course does not want to accept the reality of situation and the Arab states ensure the "refugees" have little options other than to remain as an open sore to ensure the situation does not fade from the headlines. Israel is a full functioning democracy with varied opinions and the ability to express them(An option not open to Palestinians thanks to their own kind) . Israel has given up huge tracts of land that it has won by it's own blood, do I blame them for trying to build a viable and sustainable nation for themselves, the answer is no. I also look around and count the number of Muslim and Arab states and compare them to Jewish states, that number says it all. The Arabs could give up land to make a Palestinian state (besides Jordon which is already one) I don't see them sacrificing anything.
 
Here, reproduced under the Fair Dealing provisions (§29) of the Copyright Act from today’s Globe and Mail, is another Associated Press SITREP from Gaza:
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http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/story/RTGAM.20090113.wgazamain14/BNStory/International/home

Rockets from Lebanon hit Israel as UN urges ceasefire
Secretary-General Ban Ki-moon renews call for 'immediate and durable' end to hostilities in Gaza

IBRAHIM BARZAK AND AMY TEIBEL
Associated Press

January 14, 2009 at 8:17 AM EST

GAZA CITY, Gaza Strip — Guerrillas in Lebanon rocketed northern Israel on Wednesday for the second time in a week, drawing Israeli artillery fire and threatening to drag the Jewish state into a second front as it battled Hamas in the Gaza Strip.

The violence defied a new call from the U.N. chief to immediately end fighting in Gaza.

Israel showed no signs of slowing its bruising 19-day-old offensive against Gaza's Hamas rulers, striking some 60 targets in the strip bordering southern Israel. One airstrike hit an overcrowded cemetery, spreading body parts and rotting flesh over a wide area. The army said the airstrike targeted a weapons cache hidden near the graveyard.

The rocket fire in the north caused no injuries, but sent residents scurrying to bomb shelters. There was no immediate claim of responsibility. Hezbollah, the Iranian-backed guerrilla group that fought a monthlong war with Israel in 2006, denied involvement in last week's attack, and speculation focused on small Palestinian groups.

Lebanese security officials said the Israeli army fired at least eight artillery shells on south Lebanon in response. The Israeli military said it targeted the source of fire, and that it regarded the Lebanese government and military responsible for preventing attacks on Israel. The government of Lebanese Prime Minister Fuad Saniora condemned the attack.

Israel repeatedly has said it does not seek renewed fighting with Lebanon, but is prepared for hostilities along the northern border. The Muslim world has expressed outrage over Israel's Gaza offensive, and in a new condemnation Wednesday, al-Qaida leader Osama bin Laden urged Muslims to launch a holy war against Israel.

Iran's top leader, Ayatollah Ali Khamenei, issued a religious opinion, or fatwa, declaring the purchase of any Israeli goods or trade with Israeli companies to be forbidden.

Israel launched the onslaught in Gaza on Dec. 27, seeking to punish the ruling Hamas militant group for years of rocket attacks on southern Israel. The offensive has killed more than 940 Palestinians, half of them civilians, according to Palestinian hospital officials. The toll included 11 Palestinians killed Wednesday, medical officials said.

Thirteen Israelis have also been killed since the offensive began, four by rocket fire from Gaza.

Desperately trying to end the fighting, U.N. secretary-general Ban Ki-moon opened a visit to the Mideast on Wednesday urging an immediate halt to the violence.

"My call is (for) an immediate end to violence in Gaza," he said in Cairo after meeting Egyptian President Hosni Mubarak.

"It is intolerable that civilians bear the brunt of this conflict," he said, adding that the "negotiations need to be intensified to provide arrangements and guarantees in order to sustain an endurable cease-fire and calm." Ban is scheduled to arrive in Israel on Thursday.

Palestinian rocket fire has dropped off dramatically since the offensive began. Twelve rockets were fired at Israel on Wednesday, down from as many as 80 a day early in the operation.

Israel is trying to keep up the pressure on Hamas to accept Israel's truce terms: A complete cessation of violence from Gaza and international guarantees of a halt in the smuggling of weapons into Gaza through the porous Egyptian border.

Hamas, which is backed by Iran, cannot hope to score a battlefield victory over the powerful Israeli military, but mere survival could earn it political capital in the Arab world as a symbol of resistance to the Jewish state. Lebanon's Hezbollah, another Iran-backed group, largely achieved that goal in its 2006 war with Israel.

Overnight, Israeli warplanes and helicopter gunships pounded a police court in Gaza City, rocket-launching sites, gunmen, weapons-production and storage facilities and about 35 weapons smuggling tunnels, the military said. Later in the day, witnesses in southern Gaza reported air strikes on the house of a rocket squad leader and a militant's car.

Aircraft also struck the Sheikh Radwan cemetery in Gaza City, destroying about 30 graves — some just recently dug — and scattering bits of flesh and body parts for yards (meters), residents said. The stench of scorched and rotting flesh hung over the area.

Maj. Avital Leibovich, a military spokeswoman, said the army targeted a weapons cache next to the cemetery and a nearby rocket-launching site. She said the heavy damage was the result of secondary explosions.

Israel has repeatedly accused Hamas of using mosques, schools and other civilian areas to stage attacks or store weapons.

Witnesses described a gruesome scene of strewn body parts and the stench of charred and rotting flesh.

"There was flesh on the roofs, there was small bits of intestines. My neighbor found a hand of a woman who died a long time ago, we put it all into a plastic bag," said resident Ahmad Abu Jarbou.

"One man who buried his cousin yesterday couldn't find the body at all."

In other fighting, artillery units fired shells that spread white smoke above the city center, witnesses said. Human Rights Watch has accused Israel of using phosphorous shells — a weapon that can burn anything it touches. The Israeli military has not confirmed reports that it has improperly used white phosphorous shells, saying only that it uses munitions is in accordance with international law.

The International Committee of the Red Cross urged Israel to exercise "extreme caution" in using the incendiary agent, which is used to illuminate targets at night or create a smoke screen for day attacks, said Peter Herby, the head of the organization's mines-arms unit. The ICRC said it had no evidence to suggest white phosphorous was being used improperly or illegally.

Fireballs and smoke plumes from Israeli bombing have become a common sight in the territory of 1.4 million people, who are trapped because Israel and Egypt have blockaded border crossings ever since the Islamic Hamas overran Gaza in June 2007.

Humanitarian concerns have increased amid the onslaught although some aid is getting through to Gaza during daily three-hour lulls Israel has allowed to let in supplies. A total of 111 truckloads of food and medical supplies were to pass through on Wednesday, the military said.

Hamas has said it would only observe a cease-fire if Israel were to withdraw from Gaza.

Israeli military officials have said talks in Cairo will determine whether Israel moves closer to a truce with Hamas or widens its offensive to send thousands of reservists into crowded, urban areas where casualties on both sides would likely mount.

Israel had planned to send its lead negotiator, Amos Gilad, to Cairo on Thursday, but his trip was postponed, defense officials said. They spoke on condition of anonymity because the date of his departure has not been set.

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With regard to Secretary General Ban Ki-moon’s plea for a crease fire: the civilian  casualties are anything but intolerable.

Israel tolerates them because it is confident that it can prove to itself – as it likely be called upon to do, in its own courts – that it is taking all reasonable measures to avoid attacking civilians. Israel insists that it is not attacking civilians at all; it is, it asserts, attacking legitimate military targets that are, unfortunately, collocated with civilians and civilian facilities.

The Arabs not only tolerate the civilian casualties they welcome, indeed celebrate each one because each is an invaluable tool in the propaganda war – being waged by PR firms in Athens, Beirut, Copenhagen, Damascus, London, New York, Paris, Rome, Sydney, Toronto and Washington and everywhere in between, and being won, decisively, by the Arabs.

 
"Do not insult us. We are not a bunch of blood thirsty heathans as you seem to present us to be. Shame on you for making such a stupid assumption."

HOW did you make the leap to bloodthirsty heathens?  I never implied that at all and just because you don't like the reality of what I said, there is no need to label it a "stupid assumption".

I have read all the posts and the overwhelming majority can't even seem to state the obvious: as of a few minutes ago, the Israeli death toll was TEN. The Pal's 1 THOUSAND.  There have been over 500 (as of a few minutes ago) women and children killed.  Perhaps instead of blindly supporting Israel, you are better off maintaining moral high ground by acknowledging what MEDICAL sources (from NORWAC) have observed in the hospitals: possible use of phosphorous weapons etc.  All you have to say is that it is WRONG - which you seem unable to do. 

As for your standard "human shield" argument - the Gaza strip is a REFUGEE centre - civilians are packed into small areas, left without proper food, water, fuel since the blockade YEARS ago - it seems you are unable to look past the headlines.  There is NOWHERE for those people to go.

As for the Hamas rockets - the point I am making is in COMPARISON to Israeli weapons --- I hope you are not trying to say there is even a NEAR similarity, as if to suggest this is a proportional response.
 
OldSolduer said:
Hey BO!

I've read your posts. Not impressed.

You think Amnesty International is unbiased? Get real. Can you tell me who provides their funding? And why do they not call Saudi Arabia, Syria etc on human rights violations? Why do they only target the US, Canada or Great Britain?


Sir,

http://www.amnesty.org/en/region/syria

http://www.amnesty.org/en/region/saudi-arabia

http://www.amnesty.org/en/region/lebanon

http://www.amnesty.org/en/region/egypt

http://www.amnesty.org/en/region/jordan

http://www.amnesty.org/en/region/iran


From the AI - USA web site:

Who finances Amnesty International's work?

Amnesty International is independent of any government, political ideology, economic interest or religion. It does not support or oppose any government or political system, nor does it necessarily support the views of the victims whose rights it seeks to protect. To ensure its independence, it does not seek or accept money from governments or political parties for its work in documenting and campaigning against human rights abuses. Its funding depends on the contributions of its worldwide membership and fundraising activities.

Amnesty International is a democratic, self governing movement. It answers only to its own worldwide membership. All policy decisions are taken by elected bodies. Major policy decisions are taken by an International Council made up of representatives from all the countries where Amnesty International members are organized into groups and national sections. They elect an International Executive Committee of volunteers which carries out their decisions and appoints the movement's Secretary General, who is also head of the International Secretariat, the professional heart of Amnesty International.


I'm a member of AI (always made for a great conversation starter in the officers' mess). If you have any further questions, please feel free to PM me.

Regards.
 
Canada stands tall:

http://www.thestar.com/printArticle/569872

Canada votes alone for Israel  TheStar.com - Canada - Canada votes alone for Israel
We're the only one of 47 nations on UN rights panel to refuse to condemn military offensive in Gaza
January 13, 2009
Bruce Campion-Smith
Les Whittington
OTTAWA BUREAU

OTTAWA–Canada stood alone before a United Nations human rights council yesterday, the only one among 47 nations to oppose a motion condemning the Israeli military offensive in Gaza.

The vote before the Geneva-based body shows the Stephen Harper government has abandoned a more even-handed approach to the Middle East in favour of unalloyed support of Israel, according to some long-time observers.

Thirty-three countries voted for the strongly worded motion, which called for an investigation into "grave" human rights violations by Israeli forces, while 13 nations, mostly European, abstained. (interpolation: where is the call for investigations into the "grave" human rights violations of using civilians as human shields, appropriating ambulances to transport armed men and equipment, using protected places as firing points and arms dumps, firing unguided weapons at civilian targets etc?)

The United States, regarded as Israel's greatest ally, is not a member of the council.

Marius Grinius, Canada's representative on the council, said the language of the motion, which accused Israel of sparking a humanitarian crisis, was "unnecessary, unhelpful and inflammatory."

He said the text failed to "clearly recognize" that Hamas rocket attacks on Israel triggered the crisis.

But observers say Ottawa's unwavering support of Israel in the current conflict – highlighted by yesterday's vote – is a break from more neutral positions of the past.

Paul Heinbecker, a former Canadian ambassador to the UN, said that, although Canada was always considered "a friend of Israel," until recently Ottawa's representatives at the UN voted on Middle East issues on the basis of "principle" and "fair-mindedness."

Of Canada's current approach, he said, "It's not a middle-of-the-road position. It is a frankly supportive position of Israel."

He said internationally Canada is increasingly seen as being on the American-Israeli side on these issues. But assessing yesterday's vote at the UN's human rights council, Heinbecker pointed out "the resolution is unbalanced" in its repeated condemnations of Israel.

Along with Arab states, countries backing the resolution included Russia, China and Brazil. Among those abstaining were Britain, France, Japan and South Korea.

The council itself has faced accusations it is biased against Israel. The U.S., arguing the council's credibility has been undermined, has declined to be a member.

However, in this conflict, Heinbecker said the Canadian government has "not tried itself to introduce a lot of balance into its position" on the fighting in Gaza.

"There are now 900-plus (Palestinian) deaths, a large number of whom are civilian, who are the predictable victims of a military campaign in a densely populated space where the people can't flee because the borders are closed," he said. Thirteen Israelis have been killed.

Given Canada's past actions to expand protection of civilians in conflict zones, he would have expected Ottawa to put more stress on the "urgent" need for a ceasefire and a demand that both sides in Gaza respect international protections for non-combatants, Heinbecker said.

Harper made clear his strong support for Israel just months after he took office in 2006. That summer, he defended Israel's military incursion into Lebanon with a controversial comment that it was a "measured" response.

NDP MP Paul Dewar (Ottawa Centre) criticized Ottawa's "muted" reaction to this latest offensive. He said Canada should be taking a "robust" role to deliver aid to civilians and monitor any ceasefire.

Instead, he said Canada is sitting on the "sideline," suggesting a pro-Israel viewpoint by the Conservative government was the reason for lack of outcry from Ottawa.

The Canadian Islamic Congress yesterday called on the federal government to act as a peace broker and "lead the world as it used to.

"It's not time that we speak on who is right and who is wrong. I think it is time that innocent people in Gaza and Israel be protected," Zijad Delic, the congress's national executive director of the congress said.

"I worry that Canada did not take a fair approach," he said.

The government's vote won praise from B'nai Brith Canada, which commended Harper for Ottawa's "principled stand."

Frank Dimant, the group's executive vice-president, called the motion "perverse" for failing to mention Hamas and its "pivotal" role in provoking the conflict.

Last night, the foreign affairs department said Canada had opposed a "deeply flawed" resolution.

"The resolution wholly failed to acknowledge Hamas's continual rocket attacks on Israel that brought about the current crisis, and ignored a state's legitimate right to self-defence," a spokesperson said in an email.

"Canada remains deeply concerned about the ongoing hostilities ... and encourages all diplomatic efforts to achieve an immediate, sustainable and durable ceasefire. But first and foremost, Hamas's rocket attacks must stop so that a ceasefire can be realized."
 
Years and years ago, I railed against P.E. Trudeau. I detested him and his whole bag of tricks from ‘fuddle duddle”, pirouetting behind the Queens back, the spending, the finger to Canadian farmers, etc and multiculturalism.

Multiculturalism to me was immigrate to Canada, bring all your hates and prejudices, and taxpayers will subsidize it.
No melting pot for Canada.

Well, I believe we are paying now for that policy. Great Britain is certainly paying for it.

Are some of the posts here by purported members of the Canadian Forces the future of e.g. the Canadian Forces, Canadian Police services? As a CF member or a policeperson, are you going to have to keep looking behind your back?  Will someone with you not believe in the enforcement of the government’s policy/law because that is not the way they were brought up in their multicultural home?
 
Well, since Tourza appears to be unable (unwilling?) to answer this simple question for me, could one of the other anti-Israel posters take a shot at it?  Bo?  Kilo?  Gee, where is Tamouh when you need him?

I am not "anti-Israel", I am anti-Israeli GOVERNMENT POLICY in this regard. One does not have to be anti-Semitic (a term that refers to Semitic tribes, including Arabs anyways) or believe that Israel does not have a right to exist to question a policy that has killed hundreds of innocent civilians. If I were to criticize UK or Chinese policy would that make me anti-British or anti-Chinese? Of course not. The fact that critics of Israeli policy often receive such a harsh reaction suggests to me that there is indeed a reason to be critical in the first place. If you have read some of my earlier posts, I am not beyond accepting that Hamas would not see an Israeli over-reaction as a bad thing. We are talking politics here, and politics is an incredibly cynical pursuit. But as you say, even if Hamas knew that it's actions might result in a "predictable reaction," maybe the Israeli government should be aware of this fact? It then follows that Israel would want to avoid a PR victory for Hamas by NOT killing hundreds of civilians.

Here is a link that has been posted before, but you may have missed it.  It explains that the Israeli government's choice of the timing of the offensive is quite unrelated to the rocket attacks.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2009/jan/07/gaza-israel-palestine
 
twistedcables said:
"Do not insult us. We are not a bunch of blood thirsty heathans as you seem to present us to be. Shame on you for making such a stupid assumption."

HOW did you make the leap to bloodthirsty heathens?  I never implied that at all and just because you don't like the reality of what I said, there is no need to label it a "stupid assumption".

I have read all the posts and the overwhelming majority can't even seem to state the obvious: as of a few minutes ago, the Israeli death toll was TEN. The Pal's 1 THOUSAND.  There have been over 500 (as of a few minutes ago) women and children killed.  Perhaps instead of blindly supporting Israel, you are better off maintaining moral high ground by acknowledging what MEDICAL sources (from NORWAC) have observed in the hospitals: possible use of phosphorous weapons etc.  All you have to say is that it is WRONG - which you seem unable to do. 

As for your standard "human shield" argument - the Gaza strip is a REFUGEE centre - civilians are packed into small areas, left without proper food, water, fuel since the blockade YEARS ago - it seems you are unable to look past the headlines.  There is NOWHERE for those people to go.

As for the Hamas rockets - the point I am making is in COMPARISON to Israeli weapons --- I hope you are not trying to say there is even a NEAR similarity, as if to suggest this is a proportional response.

Twistesdcables,

With your tone and attitude, that drew up my conclusions, and hence I responded with my reply as clearly as I could. So no silly assumptions from me, as I act on your words, the subject matter and politcal message your posts carry.

This is a war to destroy an active terrorist group who has constantly attacked Israel, Hamas wants only to see Israel simply to be non-existant.

This war should be continued to be prosicuted until Hamas is wiped out, setting an example by force. Strangle Hamas in any way

As for casualties, these would all cease if Hamas stopped fighting, and Hamas is to blame for every Palestinian 'innocent' death. In short no rockets fired would mean that 1000+ people would be alive right now. Half of the entire body count innocent women and children? I view this as pure enemy propaganda, the majority killed have been enemy combatants. However that said, I am sure there has been many dozens of genuine innocent people killed, again a fact of war.

Israel is ridding the world of vermin, sadly the innocent get caught up in any war. We know the tactics of the enemy. Israel does all it can do to prevent innocent casualties. You just cannot seem to fathom the reality of the situation at hand.

Hamas is fighting back on the ground, and I am sure when they do, its often with great tenacity and defiance, as they are finatics. There is more going on than we will know due to an overall solid media blackout.

To give you a brief example during my time in Baghdad, the city lost 16,476 citizens (noted from my deployment diary this total was brought up from our INT boys not long before we left, and these are just the reported cases) in the sectarian violence from Sep 06 - Mar 07, so I know first hand about mindless violence and trauma (it surrounded me for 207 long days), even spending time at 28 CSH, seeing the wounded, and the choppers coming and going all the time.

As for the ME overall, I know current affairs well, I am 49 yrs old, and lived through times which many have only read or seen video of, plus the fact that I have been to five islamic countries, one of them for 7 months alone.

At times I find it hard to fathom some of the stuff we did. Ever pointed a loaded assault rifle at a 12 yr old with the safety off? I have, numerous times. I guess maybe to actually understand the nature of the beast, you got to ber put between a rock and a hard place, not just read something electronically in a news article as you have your tea and bickies. 

As for the 155 WP rds in this conflict, I support its use, along with the other natures. WP has many uses, some have been addressed on here. I look at it this way, if covering Smk saves one soldiers life, its worth it. If a WP rd can mark an enemy strongpoint, its worth it. The IDF is not using it willy nilly as a terror weapon. Perhaps if you had any military service, you could comprehend what the uses for specific ordnance are for, seeing things from a tactical prospective instead of the way you are looking at it.

Israel is doing nothing wrong in this war. How else can anything be done? We can't win with being kind to cancer, can we. What do you suggest Israel do?

One thing we can agree on is we have different opinions. I see things from the military side, and you see it from a political side tainted with emotions.

Regards,

Wes
 
Alright folks, I just spent 2 hours deleting crap from this thread.

If you lost a post, too bad, I lost a few also.

I think its fair to say that no one here is going to be convinced that they are on the wrong side of this dispute because of posts on an internet website. I doubly think that insulting those on the other side of the argument while on an internet forum will just convince one side that they hold the moral high ground so, just because if it causes me more work I will bin this whole thing later today, lets keep it civil.


If you are here just to blow off steam may I suggest you find an outlaw biker and kick him in the shins.......
 
twistedcables said:
As for your standard "human shield" argument - the Gaza strip is a REFUGEE centre - civilians are packed into small areas, left without proper food, water, fuel since the blockade YEARS ago - it seems you are unable to look past the headlines.  There is NOWHERE for those people to go. 

Focusing just on the points in your statement, I will comment on the presumed innocence of persons in the Gaza strip. 

I would point out that while the Gaza strip is an acknowledged refugee center, it is also an acknowledged center for regional terrorist and extremist activity, and a node for a variety of illegal and black market activities. 

You may also have noticed that there are a number of persons living there with dual citizenships related to Canada.  Im sure there are significant numbers of others with dual citizenships in other countries.  Many of these people do have a place to go, but choose not to, and it is a stretch of credibility to suggest that they are all living there oblivious to the activities of the many violent groups that have resided in Gaza for the the last few decades.  Especially since these groups are fond of holding many commemorative parades with members wearing paramilitary uniforms with suicide vests and the like.  These are the same people who stood by while Hamas, a globally known terrorist group, was elected to power in 2005 and without a doubt many of them are directly involved in supporting that group's activities.   

Reference your points about refugees lacking food, water and fuel, this is because the local government makes no effort to support them, a common practice in many countries around the world outside of Europe and North America.  Which is very odd considering how much money is donated and/or granted to this region by other countries.  Also very odd considering the same local government leaders are somehow managing to squirrel away millions of dollars in skimmed funds, but cant seem to provide the camps/refugees with the means to improve their livelihood.  Also of note, based on known terrorist, extremist, and criminal modus operandi, many of the camps are deliberately kept in operation as a cover for illegal and terrorist activities.  This is part of what they dont tell you in the evening news. 

In summary, my points aren't targetted at whether Israel is right or wrong, but makes the point that the entire Gaza population is not as innocent as they claim to be in this situation.
 
zipperhead_cop said:
Okay Tourza, help me out with one thing (I agree with the previous comment that you seem reasonable and educated).  I agree that both sides have behaved poorly over the years, and at this point there is really no reason to get into any of that.  Something has to change and the violence needs to stop. 
So what purpose does it serve to shoot rockets into Israel? Even if they want a shooting war, why the rockets.  There are heaps of sabotage/terrorist acts that could be carried out against the IDF in Israel if they really wanted to fight a military target.  And we all know the rockets they shoot can't be aimed worth a damn, so it becomes a completely random act directed at a civilian population.  What is the point? Other than to provoke Israel into a predictable reaction what can possibly be served by mindlessly sending ordinance into a civilian area? 

Albeit the thread got cleaned up, I am hoping one of our friends can answer my question.  I am legitimately interested in the Israel condemners/pro-Hamas angle on this. 
 
I think that the question being asked required an answer that explains their motivation.  Unfortunately, unless you actually get one of their active members to explain it all (and somehow prove the explanation to be true and credible) you can never truely be satisfied by the answer.

From an analysis point of view, launching of rockets into Israeli terrirory (regardless of results) has the following appealing characteristics:

- Let's them look like they are actually doing something in their stand against Israel
- Let's them feel like they are actually doing something in their stand against Israel
- Comparatively easy-to-make weapons and delivery systems
- Can be hidden from aerial observation during production
- Comparatively easy to transport and setup weapons and delivery systems
- In manpower terms, easier to replace rocket weapons than it is to recruit and task loyal troops who would be lost in frontal/suicide attacks
- Require limited training for a fire-and-forget weapon system
- Requires limited technology for a manual aiming delivery system
- Very difficult to prove who specifically launched the weapons unless you actually capture someone in the act
- Constant nuisance factor is a thorn in Israeli security efforts
- Constant threat of future damage/injury, even if minor, is a psychological blow to Israeli population's confidence/sense of superiority
- Inability to stop their use is portrayed as a worldwide demonstration of Israeli ineffectiveness, thus lowering Israeli morale but increasing Palestinian morale.
- Weapon effects are minor enough that severe reprisals are hard to jusitfy
- Constant visible actions incite popular support and continued influx of recruits and money for operations.

There are likely a few more that I havent thought of off-hand, but that should cover most of them...
 
Here, reproduced under the Fair Dealing provisions (§29) of the Copyright Act from today’s Globe and Mail is another SITREP:
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http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/story/RTGAM.20090115.wgaza0115/BNStory/International/home

United Nations chief condemns Israeli shelling of UN compound

Associated Press

January 15, 2009 at 6:21 AM EST

JERUSALEM — The United Nations chief says he has expressed "strong protest and outrage" to Israel over the shelling of a UN compound in Gaza City.

Ban Ki-moon is demanding an investigation into Thursday's shelling.

He says Israeli Defence Minister Ehud Barak has told him it was a "grave mistake."

Israeli shells damaged the international organization's headquarters in Gaza City, according to witnesses and UN officials.

UN spokesman Chris Gunness says at least three people were wounded.

The compound has been serving as a shelter for hundreds of people fleeing Israel's devastating offensive in Gaza. The entire area was engulfed in smoke and it's not clear whether anyone is still inside the compound.

The compound includes the headquarters of the UN agency for Palestinian refugees, a school and other offices. Mr. Gunness says large amounts of aid supplies, as well as fuel trucks, could soon be destroyed.

The Israeli army had no immediate comment on Thursday's incident.

Earlier on Thursday, Israeli tanks shelled downtown Gaza City and ground troops thrust deep into a crowded neighbourhood for the first time, sending terrified residents fleeing for cover and increasing pressure on Hamas rulers to accept a proposed ceasefire to end Israel's devastating offensive.

The Israeli military would not discuss its operations and it was not clear whether the intensified assault on Gaza City signalled a new phase in the three-week-old Israeli campaign that Gaza health officials say has already killed more than 1,000 Palestinians. Thirteen Israelis have been killed since the offensive began, according to the military.

Israel has balked at all-out urban warfare in the narrow alleyways of Gaza's big cities, where Hamas militants are more familiar with the lay of the land and Israeli casualties would be liable to spiral. But Palestinian witnesses said Israeli tanks fired shells at least three high-rise buildings in the downtown area as ground troops advanced into a crowded residential area on the outskirts of the city.

Israel launched the offensive on Dec. 27 in an effort to stop militant rocket fire from Gaza that has terrorized hundreds of thousands of Israelis. It says it will press ahead until it receives guarantees of a complete halt to rocket fire and an end to weapons smuggling into Gaza from neighbouring Egypt.

Rocket fire has fallen off dramatically but not ceased, and on Thursday the military reported 14 firings.

Thousands of Tel Hawwa residents fled their homes Thursday, many clad only in their pyjamas, and some wheeling elderly parents in wheelchairs, one of them with an oxygen tank. Others stopped journalists' armoured cars and ambulances pleading for someone to take them to a UN compound or to relatives' homes.

The crackle and boom of explosions from machine gun fire, tank shells and missiles split the air, already clouded with plumes of white and black smoke from Israeli gunfire. Tanks and bulldozers rolled into a neighbourhood park, apparently seizing it as a kind of command centre, witnesses said.

Masked gunmen ran toward the areas under fire carrying bags containing unidentified objects.

Rasha Hassam, a 25-year-old engineer, ran out of her apartment building carrying her screaming, crying, 6-year-old daughter, Dunia.

"God help us, God help us, where can we flee?" she cried. "All I want is to get my poor child away from here. We want to survive."

Thousands of others were trapped in Tel Hawwa's high-rise buildings by the fire, too afraid to even attempt to flee.

Israeli aircraft struck some 70 targets overnight, including weapons positions, rocket squads and a mosque in southern Gaza that the military said served as an arsenal. One target was the Islamic University in Gaza City, a Hamas stronghold.

Clouds of white smoke covered the eastern section of the city while a pillar of black smoke towered over the western portion following air, tank and naval fire that set houses and farmlands ablaze.

Human rights groups have accused Israel of unlawfully using white phosphorous shells against populated areas. The weapon can burn anything it touches and is used to illuminate targets at night or create a smoke screen for day attacks.

The Israeli military has said only that it uses munitions in accordance with international law. The International Committee for the Red Cross has said it has no evidence that Israel has improperly used the shells.

Mr. Ban launched a weeklong trip to the region on Wednesday, hoping his heft will help to pursue the case for a truce a week after the UN Security Council passed a ceasefire resolution.

Mr. Ban will also meet with Palestinian leaders in the West Bank, where Western-backed president Mahmoud Abbas governs. He will not visit Gaza, which has been ruled by Hamas since it expelled forces loyal to Mr. Abbas in June, 2007. The international community does not recognize Hamas' government.

In a sign of progress, Israel's chief negotiator, Amos Gilad, planned to fly to Egypt on Thursday to present Israel's stance at ceasefire talks, a senior defence official said. Mr. Gilad had put off the trip in recent days, saying the time was not yet right.

Israel also sent a senior diplomat to Washington to discuss international guarantees that Hamas will not rearm — a key Israeli demand.

World pressure on Israel to halt its offensive has increased because hundreds of civilians have been killed in the relentless pounding that has reduced landmarks, apartment buildings and some mosques to rubble.

The war has killed more than 1,000 Palestinians, about half of them civilians, including 300 children and teenagers, said Dr. Moaiya Hassanain of the Gaza Health Ministry. More than 4,500 Palestinians have been wounded, medical officials said.

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Israeli Prime Minister Omert has, previously, set down two conditions for ending this crisis:

1. Stop the influx of arms through the Gaza<>Egypt tunnels near Rafah;

2. Stop the rocket attacks.

The fact that 14 rockets were fired from Gaza yesterday indicates that he still has a way to go.

 
And, see this for another point of view - one which suggests that Israel<>Palestine is not the main flash point in the Middle East.

 
E.R. Campbell said:
Could an international peacekeeping force work in Gaza (and maybe in the West Bank, too)?

Yes, but:

• To be broadly acceptable it probably must be under the ‘direction’ of the UNSC;

• To be acceptable to the Muslims it must, probably, have some Muslim contingents – from, say, Malaysia and Turkey – and no direct US participation;

• To be acceptable to the Israelis it must have a large, strong, dominant Western component based on, say, Australia, Canada, Czech Republic, Denmark, Finland, Germany, Italy, Japan, Korea, Netherland, New Zealand, Norway, Singapore, Sweden and the United Kingdom.

I think, also, that Russia and America need some sort of remote supervisory role (beyond their UNSC membership) in order to reassure both the Arabs and the Israelis but I’m not sure how that might work – possibly the mission’s political managers could be drawn from America, China and Russia.
 
I would suggest that, initially, command and the C2 system would have to come from the ABC countries (Australia, Britain and Canada) and intelligence would have to be fed from Israel and then filtered through the USA to the ABC organization and then into the UN Force HQ. Later, after a coherent ‘system’ is in place and working, command can rotate amongst troop contributing nations.

I would guess, based on my memories of the geography, that four brigades would be needed:

1. Gaza City – a motorized and dismounted force;

2. Central Area/Salaheddin Road/Netzarim – a motorized and (light) armoured force;

3. Rafah/Khan Yunis – a motorized and dismounted ; and

4. Mobile/Reserve – rapid reaction air mobile and (light) armoured forces .

Additionally, a fairly robust flotilla of fast naval vessels will be needed as will extensive air assets: aircraft, UAVs, etc.

Let’s say, just for the sake of argument, 10± battle groups (2 X Turkey, 1 X Malayasia, 1 X Germany, 1 X Italy, 1 X UK, 1 X Europe (Less Germany, Italy and UK), 1 X Australia/Canada/New Zealand, 1 X Japan, 1 X Korea) plus supporting troops; 10± X warships and an ‘allied’ air wing.

Could the UN cobble something like that together? Maybe.

Would it work? Well, as Bill Clinton might have said, it all depends on what you mean by ‘work?’

What’s the aim? If Lew MacKenzie is right – and I think he’s close – the sole aim of the force is to prevent attacks on Israel; nothing else. That will, of course, deprive Israel of any reason to attack Gaza. Making Gaza ‘work’ is a whole other issue.

How long? How does forever sound? Hamas et al are not going away and they will not change their aims and objectives so they will find other ways to attack Israel – probably by using longer range rockets fired from other Middle Eastern bases and/or by killing Jews in Australia, Europe and North America. For practical purposes I would say that two human generations (35 to 50 years) ought to do it – think Cyprus.

Here, reproduced under the Fair Dealing provisions (§29) of the Copyright Act from today’s Ottawa Citizen, is a thoughtful letter on a potential role for Canada in some future UN mission in Gaza:
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http://www.ottawacitizen.com/opinion/letters/peacemakers+solution+Gaza/1178301/story.html

We can be peacemakers in UN solution for Gaza



THE OTTAWA CITIZEN

JANUARY 15, 2009


Re: Canada supports 'durable' ceasefire: Harper, Jan. 10.

For weeks now Canadians and people around the world have witnessed the tragic mix of politics, fanatical ideologies, hatred, fear and war resulting in death and destruction.

It is easy to play the blame game, but it is more challenging to keep the voice of reason and spirit of peace alive at a time when 1.5 Million Palestinians in Gaza and 300,000 Israelis are living in fear, dying, or facing death due to human failings and political agendas of their leaderships, while the rest of the world stands still, agonizing over the carnage of the innocent.

This is a violent fight between two rights: On one hand is the right of Palestinians for freedom to live in a Palestinian state. On the other, the undeniable right of Israelis to live free from the fear of rockets and suicide bombings. During the last 60 years neither Israel could be eliminated nor the Palestinians be forced to accept the continuation of occupation, collective punishment, and unjust peace. This war will invoke a cycle of fear, hatred and violence in the next generations when hope of peace and dialogue was just taking root.

There is no doubt now, on their own, the Palestinians and Israelis cannot resolve this conflict. The Palestinian leadership has lost all credibility and respect. It is time for Palestinians to get rid of their tormentors -- their own leadership and the Israeli occupation.

To ensure the security of the Palestinians, those in the West Bank, Gaza and on refugee status in the Arab countries, should be made the wards of the United Nations with the UN taking over their direct overall governance. There is a wide secular, educated Palestinian intelligentsia in the diaspora, who can provide the management of their institutions on the ground.

Canada can provide, as a peacemaker, military and political leadership under United Nations mandate. Former foreign minister, Lloyd Axworthy, and Gen. John de Chastelaine, Canada's former chief of the defence staff, come to mind. They both understand the conflict and are well respected by both sides.

Canada has the credibility and the ability of leading such a critical and Herculean task. This short-term solution will allow for peace to prevail in the region, until a political solution is found to permanently settle the Palestinian-Israeli problem peacefully.

Yasmeen S. Loubani
,Ottawa

© Copyright (c) The Ottawa Citizen

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I suspect that Ms. Loubani expresses a view that is, broadly, mainstream – even if it has some pro-Palestinian ‘markers’ ( occupation, collective punishment, and unjust peace, etc).

A UN trusteeship over all refuges is a non starter – that would deprive too many Arab leaders of too many wonderful ’victims’ – third generation refugees struggling in dark, dirty refugee camps – victims of the hated Zionists. Plus the UN has no hope of assembling the resources such a task would require.

But: a UN trusteeship in Gaza? Maybe.

I can pretty well guarantee that, in world capital from Algiers, Brussels and Canberra through to Washington, Yaounde and Zagreb, legions of bureaucrats, diplomats and military officers are telling their political leaders that such a mission is a fool’s errand, but still the hope lingers and hope can be a powerful political force.

 
First of all I would like to apologize for my rants. I fired outside my arcs and was out of line.

Has anyone talked to Hamas to see how they'd like to see the Gaza Strip under UN control?

I can predict the outcome of the Gaza strip under UN control.
 
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10 January: Israeli artillery fires into northern Gaza. Photograph: Jerry Lampen/Reuters

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Israeli soldiers prepare their tanks at their position on the Israeli side of the Israel-Gaza border. Photograph: Jack Guez/AFP/Getty Images

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Israeli soldiers link arms and cheer before their unit rolls on towards the Gaza Strip
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An Israeli soldier prepares a machine gun on a tank. Photograph: Jim Hollander/EPA

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Smoke above the city after an Israeli air strike. Photograph: Yoav Lemmer/AFP/Getty Images

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An Israeli missile strike in the east of Gaza City. Photograph: Mohammed Saber/EPA

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A ball of fire after an Israeli air strike in the southern Gaza Strip town of Rafah
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Israeli tanks fire into Gaza. Photograph: Olivier Hoslet/EPA
 
Interesting article by Uri Avnery regarding media bias and propaganda related to the current crisis. Here's an excerpt:

Nearly 70 ago, in the course of World War II, a heinous crime was committed in the city of Leningrad. For more than 1000 days, a gang of extremists called “the Red Army” held the millions of the town’s inhabitants hostage and provoked retaliation from the German Wehrmacht from inside the population centres. The Germans had no alternative but to bomb and shell the population and to impose a total blockade, which caused the death of hundreds of thousands.

Some time before that, a similar crime was committed in England. The Churchill gang hid among the population of London, misusing the millions of citizens as a human shield. The Germans were compelled to send their Luftwaffe and reluctantly reduce the city to ruins. They called it the Blitz.

This is the description that would now appear in the history books – if the Germans had won the war.

Absurd? No more than the daily descriptions in our media, which are being repeated ad nauseam: the Hamas terrorists use the inhabitants of Gaza as “hostages” and exploit the women and children as “human shields”, they leave us no alternative but to carry out massive bombardments, in which, to our deep sorrow, thousands of women, children and unarmed men are killed and injured.


http://www.thepeoplesvoice.org/TPV3/Voices.php/2009/01/11/the-moral-insanity-behind-the-lies-and-c
 
Here, reproduced under the Fair Dealing provisions (§29) of the Copyright Act from today’s Ottawa Citizen is another letter on the Gaza war that gives me an opportunity to comment further:
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http://www.ottawacitizen.com/opinion/letters/Polarized+thinking/1178303/story.html

Polarized our thinking



THE OTTAWA CITIZEN

JANUARY 15, 2009


It has been very disquieting listening to and reading about Israel's Gaza war, in the Canadian and American media. The Canadian government's unwavering support of Israel falls directly in step with American policies. How different from the more balanced British and European views. Unfortunately, this war has polarized Canadian thinking, and one is afraid to approach friends or family, who may hold a steadfast view, that brooks no debate. We have to ask ourselves, "Are we not humans first, or are we simply Canadians, Jews, Arabs, Zionists, Israelis or Americans?" It's time to put aside self-serving nationalistic fervour. While we are debating the why, where or how of the conflict, innocent people are dying, and infrastructures are being obliterated. This war has to stop, and it has to stop now.

Grace Ahrens,
Ottawa

© Copyright (c) The Ottawa Citizen

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I’ll work from the bottom and then  the top to get to the main point:

• The war “has to stop” when the two combatants agree and neither has accomplished its aims or cried “uncle!”, yet;

• The ‘balance’ Ms. Ahrens seeks lies in, essentially, blaming Israel for almost everything; and

• Her question - "Are we not humans first, or are we simply Canadians, Jews, Arabs, Zionists, Israelis or Americans?" – deserves an answer. We may all be humans but, for centuries, even millennia, we have not recognized one another as such. For example: We have enslaved one another and we do so today, in part in the belief that some people, based on e.g. skin colour, are not quite as human as the rest of us and may, therefore, be enslaved without violating one of the great, human, moral codes. We are a complex mix of race, creed, nationalism, humanism and, above all, culture.

Jews pose a special problem. I am a child of the None is too many generation. When I was a child anti-Semitism (prejudice against Jews, specifically) was rife; the image of the Jew was still Shylock while the Arab was, if anything, romanticized as a noble ”knight” of the desert.

But we learned about the holocaust and even if old habits died hard we – those for whom the horror was a real, current event – decided that, finally, the Jews had earned the right to a safe haven of their own. Israel is it. There are plenty of flaws in the planning and execution of a safe haven for the Jews but at least a couple of generations of people (including Canadians) are committed to the idea that one must exist, no matter what. More important, the people of Israel have agreed on “never again” and they are acquiring the means to make that statement into a fact.

There is a moral dilemma: amongst the greatest of all crimes against humanity have been perpetrated against the Jews – just because they were Jews. But now the Jews have a modern, vibrant and militarily powerful state and they are, relatively, unconcerned about using their power to secure their national aim: never again. And we, the liberal, democratic West carry two huge burdens of collective guilt that makes it impossible to ‘let nature take its course in region’:

First, we retain, as we must, a great burden of guilt for the whole “none is too many” attitude that actually helped along the “final solution” by convincing the Germans that there was no alternative way to be ‘rid of the Jews’ since no one else wanted them, either; and

Second, we have a new burden of guilt because we helped the Israelis ‘displace’ the Palestinians.

Our thinking is not polarized; we are polarized because we are not, simply, humans, we are complex mixes of race, creed and culture – and the latter, in many respects, colours our politics more than either skin colour or religious preference. I, for example, am culturally predisposed – partially by cultural guilt - to side with the Israelis, imagining them as the beleaguered defenders of the Jew’s last, best hope. I can rationalize the facts – and I think they are facts that:

• There is no ‘peace’ so long as Israel exists where it is now, and the Arabs will not surrender, they will not quit until they get their ‘peace;’ and

• Sooner or later the Arabs have to win once – but one, only one, single Arab victory is one more than Israel can ever tolerate.

But all my rationalization will not overcome my belief that the Jews deserve this one, last, best hope and that they are right to fight for it and we – a bigger ‘we’ than just the American led West – have to find a way to give the Palestinians redress for their very real, very legitimate grievances, without forcing Israel to surrender its core raison d’être.

Maybe I, maybe we all are polarized. I suggest we cannot help it and trying for a false sense of moral 'balance' is pointless.


Edit: typo - and where I meant to say an
 
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