Israeli strikes on Iran (2024, 2025, etc.)

[Quirky]

Also note that bombing an Israeli hospital is an egregious war crime, but bombing 37 hospitals in Gaza is an act of self-defence....

When Hamas launches rockets into Israel and has command posts in/under those hospitals, yes, they are legitimate targets.

 

[PPCLI Guy]

When Hamas launches rockets into Israel and has command posts in/under those hospitals, yes, they are legitimate targets.

No doubt the Iranians will claim the same thing...and in both cases we are forced to rely on the information provided by those countries.

As an aside, and not related to this comment, I am done apologising for Israel, and find the false equivalence being drawn that says if you oppose Israel, you are an Anti-Semite insulting, dishonest, and intellectually lazy. In my case, nothing could be further from the truth, but that level of nuance escapes most.

It would be akin to being called anti-Christian if you disagreed with US policy or actions. Patently absurd...although I note that if the shooter in Minnesota had been muslim, we would have been talking about muslim extremist terrorists. The fact that he was fervently Christian and spent time and effort proselytizing and trying to convert foreigners to the Christian way seems unworthy of notice.

Rant off/

 

[HavokFour]

Going to be a very nerve-racking next couple hours for some.

Israel expecting US decision on joining Iran strikes in 24-48 hours, says official

Trump to decide on US action in Israel-Iran conflict within 2 weeks, White House says

2 weeks, so hot right now.

 

[brihard]

Could mean something, could mean nothing. “Within” ≠ “in”, nor is it “no move before”. Also nothing Trump says is particularly reliable anyway.

My WAG? Plant a seed like this, wait for the HUMINT and SIGINT to see if Iran might actually cave, and decide from there. But I don’t think anything short of physically verified elimination of Fordow’s enrichment capabilities will satisfy at this point.

 

[PPCLI Guy]

Anyone who thinks that is strength, 4D chess, genius, cunning, the work of a consummate deal maker etc is delusional.

I am willing to bet that the delay is because no one can guarantee that the MOP will do the job in a single pass, if at all. Bottom line - he is worried it won't work and he will look bad...which he has already achieved in spades.

Now we know what war looks like when it is conducted as a vanity project.

 

[Good2Golf]

Anyone who thinks that is strength, 4D chess, genius, cunning, the work of a consummate deal maker etc is delusional.

I am willing to bet that the delay is because no one can guarantee that the MOP will do the job in a single pass, if at all. Bottom line - he is worried it won't work and he will look bad...which he has already achieved in spades.

Now we know what war looks like when it is conducted as a vanity project.

Each B-2 can carry two MOPs…Team Whitman seems to be out of the office on TDY…

 

[FJAG]

Trump to decide on US action in Israel-Iran conflict within 2 weeks, White House says

2 weeks, so hot right now.

Well that was worth hurrying home from the G-7 for. But there was the flag pole raising thingy . . .

 

[SeaKingTacco]

No doubt the Iranians will claim the same thing...and in both cases we are forced to rely on the information provided by those countries.

As an aside, and not related to this comment, I am done apologising for Israel, and find the false equivalence being drawn that says if you oppose Israel, you are an Anti-Semite insulting, dishonest, and intellectually lazy. In my case, nothing could be further from the truth, but that level of nuance escapes most.

It would be akin to being called anti-Christian if you disagreed with US policy or actions. Patently absurd...although I note that if the shooter in Minnesota had been muslim, we would have been talking about muslim extremist terrorists. The fact that he was fervently Christian and spent time and effort proselytizing and trying to convert foreigners to the Christian way seems unworthy of notice.

Rant off/

I don’t have to love Israeli politicians to take satisfaction that Iran might actually be suffering consequences for attempting to destroy Israel since 1979 and for being both a neighbourhood and global menace over the same time frame.

You don’t want Israel shooting up your critical infrastructure and killing your top leadership? Stop threatening them with annihalation…

 

[KevinB]

Now we are reminded by what war looks like when it is conducted as a vanity project.

FIFY.

Each B-2 can carry two MOPs…Team Whitman seems to be out of the office on TDY…

My guess is the discussion is about how many can we drop and remain deniable, and also how many will guarantee success. Then how long it will take to explain that guaranteed success isn’t really a thing,

Then how long it takes to discuss probability etc.

 

[ArmyRick]

Mods, is this appropriate here? or somewhere else?

 

[brihard]

Anyone who thinks that is strength, 4D chess, genius, cunning, the work of a consummate deal maker etc is delusional.

I am willing to bet that the delay is because no one can guarantee that the MOP will do the job in a single pass, if at all. Bottom line - he is worried it won't work and he will look bad...which he has already achieved in spades.

Now we know what war looks like when it is conducted as a vanity project.

While the man himself could charitably be described as a 40 watt bulb in a 100 watt socket, it’s not like the U.S. military is suddenly bereft of competent and capable strategic planners, nor have some of America’s exquisite intelligence capabilities gone away. If one of the adults in the room presented him with a plan that lets him equivocate and stay non-committal, while bringing in more info, and potentially letting him back away from a move that would be unpopular with his base, I think that would appeal to him. He needn’t be a genius to see the merits in that approach.

Each B-2 can carry two MOPs…Team Whitman seems to be out of the office on TDY…

Yeah, but how many do they have and can they afford to use?

 

[The Bread Guy]

Mods, is this appropriate here? or somewhere else?

We can start here for now, and if it draws enough of its own chatter, it can be peeled off.

Army.ca Staff

No idea who this dude is, but here's an MSM opinion piece on the concept ....

FIRST READING: If Iran collapses, regime officials likely to flee to Canada

Canada already has a reputation as a safe haven for high-ranking officials of the Islamic Republic.

nationalpost.com

Also archived here.

A bit of backstory as well ...

20th alleged Iran official caught in Canada as campaigns explain how they would deal with Tehran | Globalnews.ca

Global News asked the major parties how they would manage Iran if elected.

globalnews.ca

https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/canada-sanctions-iran-police-chief-spotted-at-toronto-area-gym-1.6672660

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