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AoD71 said:
Hey!! We are going to go see it at the Imax theatre here....but then again, we are taking the kids.... ;D
The movie is restricted. If you are going to see it, leave the kids at home. Perhaps the main thing that makes the movie so crappy and so completely inappropriate for kids is the blatant sexual content. From a scene where the main character masterb@tes to the constant sexual (and homosexual) references, in no way should anyone under 30 be allowed to see this.
I believe, based on the sexual content alone, which makes the entire USMC look like sexual deviants, that the USMC is not very happy with this work.
I believe, based on the sexual content alone, which makes the entire USMC look like sexual deviants, that the USMC is not very happy with this work.
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kcdist said:
No one under 30? Isn't that a little radical?
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Then I better get on the phone and see if my mom can fly out here to hold my hand while I watch Jarhead with my husband...lol
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Some of the exaggerations and things aside, I thought it was very well done and I really enjoyed it.
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I went to see the movie November 5th with my husband and a good friend of ours from the other side of the city. We thoroughly enjoyed the movie and I will probably be back to see it in theatres before it comes out on DVD (at which time I plan on buying it).
As far as the comment about being over the age of 30, I think that may be a bit much. I think (and agree with JMacKenzie_15), that even though some parts were a bit exaggerated, that the younger should be allowed to see this movie. No, I am not suggesting taking in someone of 10-15 years of age due to the graphic nature and choice of words in the movie. However, by high school, many people have decided if they want to join the army or not and I think this gives them the wake up call, that hey "Training isn't going to be all its cracked up to be, War isn't always a field trip holding someone's hand, and you don't always get your kill (as some people go in there expecting to blow sh*t up and kill an enemy)." I won't say anymore about the movie, as I don't want to ruin it for those of you who haven't had a chance to do so yet. So far the movie was rated 3 1/2 stars out of 5 ... personally I think it deserves the full 5.
Another movie to keep watch for, is the new movie soon to come to theatres "Annapolis". Yet another movie I will go to see and hopefully another one to make it to my DVD collection.
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As far as the comment about being over the age of 30, I think that may be a bit much. I think (and agree with JMacKenzie_15), that even though some parts were a bit exaggerated, that the younger should be allowed to see this movie. No, I am not suggesting taking in someone of 10-15 years of age due to the graphic nature and choice of words in the movie. However, by high school, many people have decided if they want to join the army or not and I think this gives them the wake up call, that hey "Training isn't going to be all its cracked up to be, War isn't always a field trip holding someone's hand, and you don't always get your kill (as some people go in there expecting to blow sh*t up and kill an enemy)." I won't say anymore about the movie, as I don't want to ruin it for those of you who haven't had a chance to do so yet. So far the movie was rated 3 1/2 stars out of 5 ... personally I think it deserves the full 5.
Another movie to keep watch for, is the new movie soon to come to theatres "Annapolis". Yet another movie I will go to see and hopefully another one to make it to my DVD collection.
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kcdist said:
I believe she is referring to Harry Potter DA.
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Saw Jarhead today - it's not bad
I like it because it exposes army life for what it very often is - lots of "hurry up and wait" followed by an anticlimactic cockfest.
As for the corps not liking it - too bad - change the way things work if you don't like the troops complaining about it, and before you posters start on the USMC, we're not much better, I thought that this film was pretty true to life!
My favorite parts were the "field fun" scene and the part where he runs through the shelling to get a dead battery - stories so ***ked up you know that they have to be true!
I would take anyone 12+ to see this flick - it is pretty tame.
I like it because it exposes army life for what it very often is - lots of "hurry up and wait" followed by an anticlimactic cockfest.
As for the corps not liking it - too bad - change the way things work if you don't like the troops complaining about it, and before you posters start on the USMC, we're not much better, I thought that this film was pretty true to life!
My favorite parts were the "field fun" scene and the part where he runs through the shelling to get a dead battery - stories so ***ked up you know that they have to be true!
I would take anyone 12+ to see this flick - it is pretty tame.
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Hey, if there are any other Marines out there, tell us what you think, too. Here's my two cents:
A good film overall (good cinematography during the burning oil well scenes), but it's not the USMC I'm in. I don't know if it was ever that unprofesisonal and juvenile back in '91 (that was before my time) but I can clearly see why the Marine Corps gave no support to that film. It paints a bad picture of my Marine Corps. I love my Corps, but that, as they say, ain't it!
Hey, good filming, good acting, etc. Disregard the fake stuff (fatal live-fire training) and keep in mind it's hollywood, and Capt. Dale Dye USMC (ret.) had no part in the making of this film.
A good film overall (good cinematography during the burning oil well scenes), but it's not the USMC I'm in. I don't know if it was ever that unprofesisonal and juvenile back in '91 (that was before my time) but I can clearly see why the Marine Corps gave no support to that film. It paints a bad picture of my Marine Corps. I love my Corps, but that, as they say, ain't it!
Hey, good filming, good acting, etc. Disregard the fake stuff (fatal live-fire training) and keep in mind it's hollywood, and Capt. Dale Dye USMC (ret.) had no part in the making of this film.
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GO!!! pretty much said everything I thought about the movie.
Exaggerations or things that just plain did not happen and you cant pay me enough to beleive it:
1.Anyone on earth, especially a trained infantry soldier, would just stand and feel dirt hit his face for a minute or two, during a barrage of mortar fire and seem rather indifferent about it with a perfectly good trench a foot away. Okay Lance Corporal Superman.
2. Death in training? I dunno how things work in the United States... but I know we arent that much different from each other to the point that someone would be killed in training by live rounds, and the OPI of the range is seemingly not held accountable whatsoever... or at least it seemed that way. The movie carried on as if "oh well, he was dumb and got himself killed. Next scene"
Something many other people dismiss ever could have happened:
1. LCpl Superman holds loaded weapon to another fellow marines head and threatens him with death and goes into a crazy babble of rifle characteristics.
Now, I can see from the pov that "nobody would ever do that to their own, especially in the marines". Thats a nice fairy tale to live in.Unfortunately not everybody is the ideal soldier, and I know if alot of people were living in the middle of the desert all day everyday for a long time, waiting for what could be my impending doom without any information on what lies ahead, coupled with trouble at home and your significant other playing around on you, I would like to think at least some of them are still semi human enough to get very very upset at times.
Ive watched some bad fights erupt on courses in barracks lots of times, under normal but stressfull training circumstances, when being away from home for 3 months... these guys were in the desert, not petersville gagetown, for months and months under much more stressful conditions and with imminent war, and people find it difficult to beleive the odd guy will go a little nuts now and then? Especially after getting screwed on a watch, and being punished in a most disgusting fashion.
I still don't get why some posters/reviewers etc thought that was out in space, but okay.
Overall I thought the movie did an excellent job at portraying the life of an average infantry grunt. They did some hilarious silly things but it wasnt a daily occurance.Im sure the marines didnt act like over bored children having "field fun" every day of the week. It would make for an incredibly boring movie if it covered every single day consecutively.
I guess I mostly enjoyed the movie because the characters were so beleivable, (for the most part) and the daily life and routine was well portrayed.It painted a clear picture that I think only military types , specifically the infantry, can fully relate to and have the greatest impact on.I know that since my time in the army as a grunt, my perception of these types of movies and books etc has changed incredibly, and they feel alot more personal to me, as they should to anyone in this line of work.
Not the greatest movie ever made by any means, but it is an excellent film nontheless. The movie is about the lives of soldiers, and what happens when you send them to war, and take the war away. It does what it sets out to do, and does it well. I would also like to point out that I thought the sound score in this movie was one of the most well done ive witnessed in a long time. Each song and theme conveys the mood intended perfectly.I thought the spirit and tone of the book really shone through too, and to anyone who hasnt read it and enjoyed the movie, I recommend it, it is a good read.
Just don't beleive all the superman stories
Exaggerations or things that just plain did not happen and you cant pay me enough to beleive it:
1.Anyone on earth, especially a trained infantry soldier, would just stand and feel dirt hit his face for a minute or two, during a barrage of mortar fire and seem rather indifferent about it with a perfectly good trench a foot away. Okay Lance Corporal Superman.
2. Death in training? I dunno how things work in the United States... but I know we arent that much different from each other to the point that someone would be killed in training by live rounds, and the OPI of the range is seemingly not held accountable whatsoever... or at least it seemed that way. The movie carried on as if "oh well, he was dumb and got himself killed. Next scene"
Something many other people dismiss ever could have happened:
1. LCpl Superman holds loaded weapon to another fellow marines head and threatens him with death and goes into a crazy babble of rifle characteristics.
Now, I can see from the pov that "nobody would ever do that to their own, especially in the marines". Thats a nice fairy tale to live in.Unfortunately not everybody is the ideal soldier, and I know if alot of people were living in the middle of the desert all day everyday for a long time, waiting for what could be my impending doom without any information on what lies ahead, coupled with trouble at home and your significant other playing around on you, I would like to think at least some of them are still semi human enough to get very very upset at times.
Ive watched some bad fights erupt on courses in barracks lots of times, under normal but stressfull training circumstances, when being away from home for 3 months... these guys were in the desert, not petersville gagetown, for months and months under much more stressful conditions and with imminent war, and people find it difficult to beleive the odd guy will go a little nuts now and then? Especially after getting screwed on a watch, and being punished in a most disgusting fashion.
I still don't get why some posters/reviewers etc thought that was out in space, but okay.
Overall I thought the movie did an excellent job at portraying the life of an average infantry grunt. They did some hilarious silly things but it wasnt a daily occurance.Im sure the marines didnt act like over bored children having "field fun" every day of the week. It would make for an incredibly boring movie if it covered every single day consecutively.
I guess I mostly enjoyed the movie because the characters were so beleivable, (for the most part) and the daily life and routine was well portrayed.It painted a clear picture that I think only military types , specifically the infantry, can fully relate to and have the greatest impact on.I know that since my time in the army as a grunt, my perception of these types of movies and books etc has changed incredibly, and they feel alot more personal to me, as they should to anyone in this line of work.
Not the greatest movie ever made by any means, but it is an excellent film nontheless. The movie is about the lives of soldiers, and what happens when you send them to war, and take the war away. It does what it sets out to do, and does it well. I would also like to point out that I thought the sound score in this movie was one of the most well done ive witnessed in a long time. Each song and theme conveys the mood intended perfectly.I thought the spirit and tone of the book really shone through too, and to anyone who hasnt read it and enjoyed the movie, I recommend it, it is a good read.
Just don't beleive all the superman stories
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im with JMackenzie on this one.
albiet ive never served overseas, and im a reservist, and im CSS, there were still many things in that movie that i could relate to on some level.
talking to an Ex soldier (british royal ordinace Corps... ammo tech) he agreed as well. he thought it was a good movie. not great. but good. it definatly showed what life can be like for soldiers. especially when separated from loved ones. I can remember doing some stupid stuff on taksings... like building a waterballoon slingshot out of bungee cord, a funnell and two garden storage sheds.... then taking shots at eachother in a feild accross from the shacks while the "target" was wearing skivies, Webbing, Helmet, and sitting in a lawn chair.....
granted its not "field fun" but on a lesser level, its the same sort of thing. break up the monotony of the job by doing something zany...
albiet ive never served overseas, and im a reservist, and im CSS, there were still many things in that movie that i could relate to on some level.
talking to an Ex soldier (british royal ordinace Corps... ammo tech) he agreed as well. he thought it was a good movie. not great. but good. it definatly showed what life can be like for soldiers. especially when separated from loved ones. I can remember doing some stupid stuff on taksings... like building a waterballoon slingshot out of bungee cord, a funnell and two garden storage sheds.... then taking shots at eachother in a feild accross from the shacks while the "target" was wearing skivies, Webbing, Helmet, and sitting in a lawn chair.....
granted its not "field fun" but on a lesser level, its the same sort of thing. break up the monotony of the job by doing something zany...
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Leafed through the book, and watched the movie last night. I enjoyed it and will probably see it again. Good motivational fuel for me. I liked the scene how the marines were in the movie theater watching sucking up the war movies, fuel for their fire.
In the book it described that they watched movies for days on end until they got the call. Like it says in the book, there are no anti-war movies only pro-war movies because "Filmatic images of death and carnage are pornography for the military man..."
This is one instance where I can say the movie was better than the book. Reading the book you get more in depth view into what the main character, Swofford, was thinking and feeling but really, it did not make much difference. There were modifications from the book and movie. For example, Swofford did not have to play taps with his mouth in front of the other recruits in the book. The Staff Sargent said to him after that he could have done that to him, but decided not to. More entertaining for the movie to have him do it.
There was not much depth to the book, so there is not a lot of depth to the movie. It does not come across as a leftist view of the war to me. However, it is something I did enjoy and will probably go watch again.
In the book it described that they watched movies for days on end until they got the call. Like it says in the book, there are no anti-war movies only pro-war movies because "Filmatic images of death and carnage are pornography for the military man..."
This is one instance where I can say the movie was better than the book. Reading the book you get more in depth view into what the main character, Swofford, was thinking and feeling but really, it did not make much difference. There were modifications from the book and movie. For example, Swofford did not have to play taps with his mouth in front of the other recruits in the book. The Staff Sargent said to him after that he could have done that to him, but decided not to. More entertaining for the movie to have him do it.
There was not much depth to the book, so there is not a lot of depth to the movie. It does not come across as a leftist view of the war to me. However, it is something I did enjoy and will probably go watch again.
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I've seen it twice already. The first viewing was part of my office PME and as we arrived at the theatre for the afternoon showing on opening day, a bus full of Marines arrived as well. It was sold out. The second time I went to see it, it was sold out again. Marines are going to see this movie in large hurds.
I read a review on it today that summed it all up: it's Platoon, Full Metal Jacket and Three Kings all rolled up into one.
The Marine Corps of the late 80s early 90s was a very different place than it is today. I enjoyed the film as did all the Marines I've spoken too about it. Swofford does come off as a turd but his training takes over and that's why he wants to get that kill. I'd recommend it to anyone. It was well made. I can't comment on the book as I have not read it.
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I read a review on it today that summed it all up: it's Platoon, Full Metal Jacket and Three Kings all rolled up into one.
The Marine Corps of the late 80s early 90s was a very different place than it is today. I enjoyed the film as did all the Marines I've spoken too about it. Swofford does come off as a turd but his training takes over and that's why he wants to get that kill. I'd recommend it to anyone. It was well made. I can't comment on the book as I have not read it.
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Read the book. It's sad but rad.
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A comment from one of the many critics (link from PJ D-Dog)who, in my opinion, did nothing but cutdown the film. Yes, I agree, the film had its fair share of unrealistic points, however, overall the film was excellent. This link is excellent to anyone who would like to find out what the critics have to say or for anyone who would like to be turned away from going to see it in the first place :
A comment from one of the many critics (link from PJ D-Dog)who, in my opinion, did nothing but cutdown the film. Yes, I agree, the film had its fair share of unrealistic points, however, overall the film was excellent. This link is excellent to anyone who would like to find out what the critics have to say or for anyone who would like to be turned away from going to see it in the first place :
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I just wanted to clarify some things about the Marine Corps that came up on this topic in reference to the movie.
This story takes place from 1989 to 1991. During that time, the Marine Corps was going through some amount of internal transformation. From the end of the Vietnam War to the end of the 80s, the Marine Corps was in quite a mess. There was a lot of drug use, hazing and general abuse. In an attempt to clean up the Marines, James Webb, author of Fields of Fire and other novels, was appointed as Secretary of the Navy. Webb was Vietnam era Marine who served in combat. His first order of business as the new secretary was to appoint General Al Gray as the Commandant of the Marine Corps.
Al Gray was a Devil Dog who had the guts to go into the job and clean up the mess that was left by his predecessors. He is credited for having reformed the Marines and place the Corps on the right track. At the time of this movie, many of the same woes that had existed since Vietnam were still plaguing the Corps although the whole organization was cleaning up its act. It was not uncommon for acts of hazing to be more than common place with the leadership of the day turning a blind eye to those types of events. Although the type of abuse portrayed in the movie are no longer tolerated, it is, to some degree, somewhat accurate for those times.
Today, the Marine Corps does not put up with hazing of any type although it does still happen. Just thought I'd add this tid bit of info for knowledge.
PJ D-Dog
This story takes place from 1989 to 1991. During that time, the Marine Corps was going through some amount of internal transformation. From the end of the Vietnam War to the end of the 80s, the Marine Corps was in quite a mess. There was a lot of drug use, hazing and general abuse. In an attempt to clean up the Marines, James Webb, author of Fields of Fire and other novels, was appointed as Secretary of the Navy. Webb was Vietnam era Marine who served in combat. His first order of business as the new secretary was to appoint General Al Gray as the Commandant of the Marine Corps.
Al Gray was a Devil Dog who had the guts to go into the job and clean up the mess that was left by his predecessors. He is credited for having reformed the Marines and place the Corps on the right track. At the time of this movie, many of the same woes that had existed since Vietnam were still plaguing the Corps although the whole organization was cleaning up its act. It was not uncommon for acts of hazing to be more than common place with the leadership of the day turning a blind eye to those types of events. Although the type of abuse portrayed in the movie are no longer tolerated, it is, to some degree, somewhat accurate for those times.
Today, the Marine Corps does not put up with hazing of any type although it does still happen. Just thought I'd add this tid bit of info for knowledge.
PJ D-Dog
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