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Junk Food In Schools

Personally, I think that current societal culture is to blame for obesity, not just fast food or pop or convenience stores or the proliferation of TVs everywhere.  Granted those do play their part in the problem, and remember that advertising for these products does work (else we'd have a new form of advertising because companies are, after all, out to make the biggest profit possible), but the underlaying problem is why we let this behaviour continue, even when we know there will be adverse consequences. 

We've been brought in a liberalist environment where the emphasis is on the individual, with all that rhetoric about individual choice and freedom and whatnot.  This is great at the political level, but it's infused our social relations as well to produce a downside, which I can very easily spot in my and the younger generations (I'm 22).  This downside is we've come to expect and think we deserve anything and everything that is available to us, without a thought for the consequences. We should have everything our little hearts desire. We deserve everything we want.  We've a right to it. And there cannot possibly be a bad consequence!  Why?  Where are the privileges?  Why do we no longer think that we actually have to work for something, to earn it? 

I think that the work ethic so prevalent among my grandparents and parents' generations have gone by the wayside, for many people... particularly in those who grow up in an affluent (or think they're affluent) environment.  Everything has to be bigger and better and more dollar-effective - who cares if it's bad for the health so long as it's cheaper than the alternative?  I'm not saying that money or the pursuit of profit is the root of all evil here, but rather that we've been acculturated to the need for efficiency - spend less and get more, save as much time as possible so you can do more and more things...

The majority of two-parent households are also dual income, and I think this also plays a role. There is a marked lack of authority figures, I think, in children's lives today. Parents are supposed to be respected and obeyed, not the other way around... I see examples everyday of parents catering to their child's whim, just because they don't want a tantrum or they think their child should have everything or for whatever reason I still cannot fathom because I'm not yet a parent.  This is how children learn that they should be entitled to everything, and thus emotionally cannot accept a 'no' as response when they're 'grownup'. Personally, I think our society has diminished the role of parent so much that children are supposed to be treated like mini-adults - which I totally disagree with.  A child's mind is just not mature enough - parents are supposed to teach children how to act properly, how to think rationally and logically, how to interact socially, and I think we often forget this.  And yes, discipline and punishment is a very important part of a child's development - how else will they learn that there are, sometimes, undesirable consequences to their actions, and that is just a fact of life?  Children are not born knowing right from wrong; they learn from those closest to them and are heavily, heavily influenced by what they see (studies have shown that kids who watch violent TV shows are more violent with their peers - because they've seen this as the way to get what they want.)

Personally, I don't think there should be any advertising aimed at kids under 12, because they just haven't finished developing their mental capabilities to deal with it like an adult would.  It's unfair, really.  And while I don't believe the government should legislate our everyday lives, sometimes it's necessary to impose restrictions because people just don't care about or understand the consequences - after all, we're taught it's all about us.  We have to alter how we think as a societal whole to change the system.

And yes, children should get more exercise, and stop watching TV 5 hours a day.  But this is also the parent's responsibility - it seems many parents forget that they are, after all, responsible for their kids development, and if they turn into a whiny, bratty, demanding, fat kid, yes, it is their fault. Genes do play a role, but so does upbringing. 

Not to insult any parents out there reading this of course.... these are perceptions of a young adult on society in general, looking from the outside in on parenthood.
 
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Not to insult any parents out there reading this of course.... these are perceptions of a young adult on society in general, looking from the outside in on parenthood.

The only parents who would feel insulted by that probably deserve it. Great post,wise beyond your years.

My rant,
The biggest problem facing our "western society" today is exactly what Misshardie has spoken about, the lack of parents wanting the responsibility of being a parent. It's friggin much more important to have that damn 42 inch plasma TV with hot tub than spending precious time with the ONLY thing that will really matter after your gone, your children.
...and don't give me "kids today are lazy" they, like us, need a reason to do something. Today both my 11 and 8 year old were reminding me of our Sunday walk/run tomorrow, they can't wait.
As far as junk food, why do kids have the money on them to buy it anyway?....feeling guilty, maybe? here go buy something.
I could go on but IMHO, most parents have already surrendered to the wants being more important than the needs of our children.
Rant off.....
 
I just found out at school as well,
There was an announcement.

Although my school never had vending machines and once a week they'd hand out healthy snacks like fresh fruit ect, we always used sweets and candies to reel in profits that would go towards buying gym equipment and whatnot. Now we're not allowed to... we can't even give candy away for prizes...

Although I don't really mind, not my problem anyway.
I was never a junk food eater anyway.
Hell, my mom got mad at me cause I was only eating 2 out of the 3 suggested servings of fruit per day...

We can't blame food fully for the obesity problem.
It's the sedentary lifestyle of today's generation that causes fat to build.
Little do we know, we literally inhale starches and bad carbs, and we don't burn them off.
Same with calories.... Every 3000 calories we store becomes 1 pound of fat.

I've been through the cycle of "being fat."
As a kid I never went outside because I was ashamed of my body..
I had no friends, therefore stayed inside more, feeling sorry for myself.
After I finally started realising that my health was in great danger, I heaved my ass up off the goddamn couch and started going outside more.
Here I am, 20 lbs lighter and with friends I regret not spending more time with.

So there's my two cents worth, folks.
I think it's a good idea we eliminate junk food in the schools, even if it is still available at the home... it may just help somewhat.

Cheers,
Lex.
 
Good job Lexi, I know all about  the cycle of "being fat." It sucks ass but anyone whos going through it just wait untill your like 14-15 and youll have one big ass growth spurt.
 
8 Inches over one summer for me.

I remmeber that...awful absolutely awful how akward I was.

Oh and when you hit 20, you start expanding out.

 
I'm so glad that i'm still growing (6'3" and i'm only 15 aah) if i weren't i'd probablly be 6'3" wide. I try to live a healthy lifestyle, but I do eat alot of unhealthy food. What i'm curious about is where these kids get the money to be eating and drinking this crap everyday. I cant buy junkfood even when i want it, I'm too damn broke! My parents refuse to give me money for the cafeteria saying that it is unhealthy...which it is. And as for teenagers being to lazy to go across the street to buy food. Well your right, we're lazy. But we're also cheap, that short walk is worth it to save some cash. The store across from my school, easily makes over $500 in one lunch hour.
 
never been fat never will be...its the navy seal workout life for me...

the next thing you know you will have entreprenuring little tycoons selling thier peers candy at overinflated prices....and we can make it a class.....Organized Crime 101..:P but really if these kids are desperate enough they will find a way to get sugar....
 
Banning junk food is probably a good idea. However, given all the pressing concerns regarding education I would like that this issue is near the bottom in importance.

As I have said in earlier posts, my wife is a teacher and I am constantly appalled with the resources she is forced to made due with, the amount of medicated children in our schools, and the complete indifference of parents. I think my wife has to say "Have you taken your meds this morning?" at least once a day. I don't remember this reliance on medication when I was in school (15+ years ago).

I Newfoundland, children don't "fail" grades anymore. They are instead put on a separate "pathway" My wife also teaches a grade six social studies class. I looked at the Capitals and Provinces test she gave them. I say about 15% of the students scored less than 10%. They couldn't say what was the capital of their own province or their country. Most disturbing is when these marks go home, parents will not take an interest with how their kids are doing.

We are graduating kids that can't read or write. Teachers and children have to spend a large part of their day with over/under medicated children. There is no money for teacher aids to help children with disabilities. Text books are 20+ years old.

Sorry for the rant. My wife is pregnant, and last night she told me she had to call to the office and have staff remove a child (who should have a full time aid but doesn't because of money ) began to act violently to her and other children. Junk food is the least of my worries.
 
Kids are incapable of failing in Ontario as well.  Kids who clearly can't read and write are being "promoted" to the next grade, regardless of their marks or ability to comprehend anything.  The reason?  Wouldn't want to hurt their self-esteem, or make them feel bad...

At best, they promote them to a split grade, e.g., from failing grade 3, they go on to grade 4, but in a classroom which has grade 3 & 4 in it...so that they could make up the stuff they've missed.  This is assuming the teacher has time and inclination to re-teach a kid who knows nothing, and doesn't have to try to earn their marks or a passing grade...

Once kids get used to not being able to understand anything, they are far more likely to obey stupid orders from above...then they can get jobs teaching and continue the cycle.  Once people stop questioning "Why?", the very purpose of education, what purpose does your school system serve?  Indoctrination?

Next stop, "I was only following orders".  (Okay, so I've skipped a lot of links in the chain, but the damn chain is there).
 
My only rebuttal to this chain is that I don't think many of these children are joining the military. I think the vast majority end up perpetuating their own family history- Social services, jail.

 
Gunnar said:
Once kids get used to not being able to understand anything, they are far more likely to obey stupid orders from above...then they can get jobs teaching and continue the cycle.  

Wow, I feel great.   Nice to see that communities value the teachers who are trying to do the best they can with what little they have.   Nothing I like better after a long day at work dealing with potheads and slackers than a good old fashioned kick in the junk.   But what would I know, I'm "used to not being able to understand anything".  Thanks.

As for students not failing, well I can't say that is the least bit true in most high schools.   We aren't the least bit afraid to fail kids.   Unfortunately, a lot of them should have gotten that message many years earlier, and in a lot of cases they've now progressed to a stage that is almost impossible to fix.
 
Hey Garbageman,
If its any consolation I do volunteering at my kids school and let me tell you, the people who slam dunk the teachers and not the system obviously need to spend some time" helping out before they spout."
 
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