Kenosha Shooting - split from The Great Gun Control Debate- 2.0

[Navy_Pete]

Distracts them from the pandemic and economy.

At least until closer to when they are voting, when he can swoop in for a maximum effect for the boost in the polls. That's really cynical but I think both sides down in the US are really that calculating.

 

[mariomike]

At least until closer to when they are voting, when he can swoop in for a maximum effect for the boost in the polls.

In 2018, his chosen narrative was a caravan of Latin gangs preparing to overrun the border.

Remember? "A very big percentage of men. Young. Strong. People that are in gangs."

In 2020, it's "thugs wearing these dark uniforms, black uniforms with gear" had travelled by airplane to the RNC "to do big damage".

Thugs operating in "dark shadows".

The fear tactic did not work well for Republicans in the 2018 midterms. But, maybe will work this time?

 

[Kat Stevens]

Since then half their country is either on fire, spray painted, or smashed. Almost looks like the work of thugs, at least to my untrained eye.

 

[mariomike]

Since then half their country is either on fire, spray painted, or smashed. Almost looks like the work of thugs, at least to my untrained eye.

There was unrest during the eight years of Obama and Biden. But, I don't remember it being as bad as under this individual.

 

[Remius]

There was unrest during the eight years of Obama and Biden. But, I don't remember it being as bad as under this president.

Or Bush for that matter with the Rodney King riots....

This time seems far worse.

 

[mariomike]

Or Bush for that matter with the Rodney King riots....

This time seems far worse.

And that was almost 30 years ago. Time flies! 

 

[Remius]

And that was almost 30 years ago. Time flies! 

An article at the time highlights some of the Bush administration's handling.

https://www.latimes.com/archives/la-xpm-1992-05-01-mn-1416-story.html

Quote:

Instead, Bush appeared to be hopeful that by using his presidential pulpit he might be able to help restore calm and order in the riot area. In his statements, aides said, he hopes “to be of any help that he could in terms of quelling the riots.”

“I will keep telling the country that we must stand up against lawlessness and crime, wherever it takes place,” Bush said.

In their comments on the case, Bush and White House officials appeared to be trying to strike a careful balance between urging respect for the legal system and expressing empathy with those angered by the outcome of the case.

“We’re asking respect and reason in terms of viewing the verdict,” Fitzwater said. “But on the other hand we have to understand the frustration people feel.”

 

[mariomike]

An article at the time highlights some of the Bush administration's handling.

In their comments on the case, Bush and White House officials appeared to be trying to strike a careful balance between urging respect for the legal system and expressing empathy with those angered by the outcome of the case.

That's what great presidents do.

George Bush Sr calls Trump a 'blowhard' and voted for Clinton
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-41871958

 

[LittleBlackDevil]

There was unrest during the eight years of Obama and Biden. But, I don't remember it being as bad as under this individual.

I also don't remember people having a lot of pent-up stress and frustration from being locked in their homes for months and the economy being destroyed back then.

I also don't remember identity politics being as much of a thing back then and causing as much division and tension.

Also don't remember the media constantly villainizing the president and actively promoting or at least white-washing the rioting.

Don't remember police abandoning precinct houses and allowing them to be burnt down, or abandoning parts of cities to allow rioting to go on unmolested.

Lots has changed since the Obama years.

 

[Remius]

Lots has changed since the Obama years.

Specifically, the guy who is President.

 

[LittleBlackDevil]

Specifically, the guy who is President.

Trump owns a big piece of this, to be sure, as the man in charge.

But there's a lot of factors that I've listed that are not his doing.

 

[Oldgateboatdriver]

And he did it all in only three years.

That's what  happen when you are in the officer category the Prussian General Staff calls "Stupid and Active", who screw up whatever they touch because they are stupid and cause a lot of problems because they are active.

 

[QV]

Much of this wouldn't have happened under an HRC presidency only because there wouldn't likely have been several soft coup attempts by the losing side like there has been for the last 4 years.  Much of the problems going are a combination of the fake news media and corrupt bureaucrats and politicians working together trying to wreck a presidency.  One side had taken this far beyond mere "politics" because they were sure they were going to win so it would have been buried and some of those folks rewarded.  But the unthinkable happened and it's been damage control and deflection ever since. 

 

 

[Brad Sallows]

It's worse because everyone is using it for political leverage.

 

[shawn5o]

There was unrest during the eight years of Obama and Biden. But, I don't remember it being as bad as under this individual.

Hi MM

Do you mean the tea party with their mean signs about President Obama? ;D

 

[daftandbarmy]

And he did it all in only three years.

That's what  happen when you are in the officer category the Prussian General Staff calls "Stupid and Active", who screw up whatever they touch because they are stupid and cause a lot of problems because they are active.

You inspired me to check out 'quote investigator', which was fun.  I wonder, does that make you 'clever and lazy' and me 'clever and industrious'?

Quote Investigator: The earliest evidence located by QI appeared in January 1933 in a periodical called “Army, Navy & Air Force Gazette” based in Great Britain. A passage attributed to German General Kurt von Hammerstein-Equord described the placing of officers into four classes.

The text was reprinted under the title “Selecting Officers” in the “United States Naval Institute Proceedings” in March 1933 and in the “Review of Military Literature: The Command and General Staff School Quarterly” in September 1933. Boldface has been added to excerpts:

General Freiherr von Hammerstein-Equord, the present chief of the German Army, has a method of selecting officers which strikes us as being highly original and peculiarly un-­Prussian. According to Exchange, a Berlin newspaper has printed the following as his answer to a query as to how he judged his officers: “I divide my officers into four classes as follows: The clever, the industrious, the lazy, and the stupid. Each officer always possesses two of these qualities.

Those who are clever and industrious I appoint to the General Staff. Use can under certain circumstances be made of those who are stupid and lazy. The man who is clever and lazy qualifies for the highest leadership posts. He has the requisite nerves and the mental clarity for difficult decisions. But whoever is stupid and industrious must be got rid of, for he is too dangerous.”

https://quoteinvestigator.com/2014/02/28/clever-lazy/

 

[FJAG]

Further to the Portland shooting incident, there are early reports that Michael Forest Reinoehl the admitted Antifa shooter of Aaron J. Danielson in Portland a few days ago was killed in the course of being arrested on a charge of murder. Reinoehl admitted to the shooting in an interview with Vice earlier today but claimed it was in self-defence.

See here.

:worms:

 

[Colin Parkinson]

Sounds a lot like the suspected shooter had a mental breakdown and decided on suicide by cop.

 

[Remius]

Details I read was he made a run for it when they went to arrest him.  Pulled a gun when pulled him over.
 
So yeah maybe suicide by cop.

 

[Colin Parkinson]

Had he gone home after the shooting, contacted a lawyer and then surrendered to police, he would likely be able to frame the incident as self-defense and judging by the confusion existing on events, it would be quite possible that they could introduce enough reasonable doubt to forgo the charge.