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Kurdistan Referendum/Other Developments (split fm Op IMPACT)

I'm thinking that the Kurdish independence referendum is something bigger and distinct from Canada's Op IMPACT - especially considering recent press releases indicating that the part of the mission that was working with the Kurds may already have shifted to working with other elements of Iraqi security forces.  I think maybe this thread has become confused with the broader Middle East thread here: https://army.ca/forums/threads/113578.0.html
 
MCG said:
I'm thinking that the Kurdish independence referendum is something bigger and distinct from Canada's Op IMPACT - especially considering recent press releases indicating that the part of the mission that was working with the Kurds may already have shifted to working with other elements of Iraqi security forces.  I think maybe this thread has become confused with the broader Middle East thread here: https://army.ca/forums/threads/113578.0.html
Makes sense.  I think since CAF troops are dealing with Kurds specifically, as opposed with just the broader mid-east, I'll pull the Kurdish content and create a new thread.

Thanks!
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While the Syria/Iraqi/Hezbollah made great gains against ISIS, they did it with a lot of help from Russia and the US, particularly in intelligence and CAS. With a conflict between those states and Kurdistan, it's likely they will not have that support. Kurdistan is not a threat to Russia, in fact it may be a useful tool or assets for them at some point. The Syrian Kurds are willing to work with Assad's Regime and at the very least not be a threat to it. That will be all that Russia wants from them and Kurdistan. Russia may worry about Iran having to many conflicting aims with them and Kurdistan would keep them occupied and busy nearer home. Russia may turn on and off support for Kurdistan as required to manipulate Turkey to achieve Russian goals.

The US while not keen on independence at this time will eventually accept it and will likely defend it in the long run. Kurdistan biggest weakness is being landlocked and airlocked. Forcing Iraq and Turkey to allow overflights might be the biggest asset that the US can bring to the table outside of direct military aid. Maintaining aid and support after independence also allows the US to pressure the Kurds into limiting adventures outside their borders and not publicly supporting other Kurdish independence for awhile.

Israel will like up covert aid to Kurdistan, mostly training and intelligence. The UN is going to be opposed as such an independence movement is to much of a threat to many countries that are oppressing their own minorities or have long simmering independence movements. 
 
Although strongly in favour of eventual Kurdish independence, I think the current timing is VERY dangerous for them and I'm hopeful the current move is a negotiating tactic to get maximum concessions from the government in Baghdad, as well as US & EU donor countries.

I think in a few years, once the Kurdish region is home to more US/EU bases, they have more heavier weapons of their own, and have investments from some major energy companies (and after Erdogan/Turkey are officially out of NATO), that's when they make they should make their move.
 
Odd bedfellows @ Ottawa Kurdish rally?
Two Members of the Canadian Parliament on Thursday extended their support for the Kurdistan Region’s “democratic” process ahead of the historic independence referendum on Sep. 25.

The MPs spoke to Kurdistan 24 on the sidelines of a pro-independence rally in Ottawa, Canada, organized by The Greater Toronto Kurdish House and the Kurdish-Canadian Association of Ottawa.

Ziad Aboultaif, a Conservative party MP representing the Edmonton-Manning riding, said Canada “definitely always supports the freedom of people when they ask for it.”

“It is very important for the Kurds [who have been] waiting [for independence] for a long time to get to this point,” he stated.

Aboultaif also said the promises made to the Kurds within the past century need to be fulfilled.

“We support the process [of the referendum],” he added. “We support it to be peaceful, to be as easy as possible without having to leave any pieces for the future.”

Xavier Barsalou-Duval, a Bloc Québécois MP for the Pierre-Boucher—Les Patriotes—Verchères riding, said the Kurds deciding to exercise their right to self-determination through a referendum was a “very good thing.”

Barsalou-Duval highlighted the Kurds’ right “to choose if they want to be free or not,” adding that democracy and peace were important.

“I think every nation should have the right to decide if they want to be independent or if they want to stay as they are,” he said ...
A little bit more @ link
 
Stand by for the "Qatar Option Cold Shoulder"?
Iraq gives Kurdistan till Friday to hand over control of airports to avoid embargo
Reuters, September 26, 2017 / 12:28 PM

The Iraqi government gave the Kurdistan Regional Government (KRG) until Friday 3:00 p.m (1200 GMT) to hand over control of its airports in order to avoid an international air embargo, Prime Minister Haider al-Abadi said, according to state TV.

The measure is meant as a retaliation against the independence referendum held by the KRG in northern Iraq on Monday.

Domestic flights are not involved in the ultimatum and in the worst case, international travel to and from the KRG will be re-routed through Baghdad and other Iraqi airports.

Baghdad last week asked foreign countries to stop direct flights to the international airports of Erbil and Sulaimaniya, in KRG territory, but only Iran declared such an air embargo, halting direct flights to and from Iraqi Kurdistan.

Humanitarian and “emergency” flights are exempted, provided they are pre-approved by Baghdad, Abadi said.

Baghdad will also ask neighboring countries to shut the border with Iraqi Kurdistan if the KRG doesn’t hand over border posts to the central government by Friday.
 
That's really going to hurt the economic prospects of Kurdistan, being that there are just sooooooooooooo many people and flights desperate to land there...  ::)
 
CBH99 said:
That's really going to hurt the economic prospects of Kurdistan, being that there are just sooooooooooooo many people and flights desperate to land there...  ::)

I think the Iraqis are trying to embargo weapons deliveries.....
 
The referendum is to proceed with negotiations on independence, now that they have a yes vote, the grabbing of cards to bring to the table begins. 
 
http://www.nationalreview.com/article/451758/donald-trump-kurdistan-independence-isis?utm_source=Sailthru&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=NR%20Daily%20Monday%20through%20Friday%202017-09-26&utm_term=NR5PM%20Actives

Trump Should Buck the Consensus on the Kurds

by Jonathan S. Tobin September 26, 2017 11:30 AM

The administration shouldn’t be bullied into betraying them.

We all know President Donald Trump isn’t a fan of the foreign-policy establishment, either in Washington or at the United Nations. To the contrary, he delights in confounding the experts and defying the international consensus on a variety of issues. Yet on one key matter, Trump seems to be adhering to the conventional wisdom. When it comes to independence for Kurdistan, Trump has been listening to the so-called wise men both inside and outside the government and has been clear that his administration opposes the referendum held there yesterday.

But in this case he should buck the consensus. He ought to signal that the United States will not go along with efforts to suppress the Kurds’ bid for freedom. Doing so would be not only the right thing to do for America’s sole reliable ally in the fight against ISIS, but also good strategy. Giving the Kurds a leg up toward their goal would provide Trump with something he has been looking for: leverage against Iran.

Trump put the world on notice last week, in his speech to the General Assembly of the United Nations, that he was not prepared to follow the lead of America’s European allies on Iran. He made a strong case that the nuclear deal his predecessor struck with Tehran had been ineffective in achieving its goal of ending the threat of an Iranian weapon. Just as important, he pointed out that the pact had both enriched and emboldened Iran.

There is good reason to believe that the Iranians are already pushing the envelope on compliance with the agreement, which legitimized their nuclear program - and whose provisions will start to sunset within a decade, essentially allowing Iran to build a weapon with international approval. The deal also has encouraged Iran’s leaders to believe that the country’s illegal missile tests, continued status as the world’s leading state sponsor of terrorism (a designation that Obama’s State Department reaffirmed after the deal went into effect), and successful military adventure in Syria will go unchallenged by the West. With the help of the Russians, the Iranians have enabled the barbarous Assad regime to prevail in Syria’s civil war. That has given them what is, in effect, a land bridge to the Mediterranean stretching from an Iraq run by their Shiite allies to Lebanon, where their Hezbollah auxiliaries dominate.

Trump has struggled in vain to balance his desire to finish the campaign against ISIS in Syria and Iraq with his recognition of the danger that a triumphant Iran poses to the West and to Sunni Arab states eager to cooperate with the U.S. This question has exposed a terrible contradiction in his foreign policy: His desire to restrain Iran has collided with his hopes for better relations with Russia, which acts as Tehran’s ally in Syria.

Unfortunately, his urge to finish off ISIS has blinded him to the rights of the group that has done more than any other in the region to carry on that fight: the Kurds. While the Assad-Iran-Russia coalition in Syria has paid lip service to the war on ISIS, it has largely ignored the Islamic State in practice, concentrating instead on eliminating Assad’s other domestic foes. The Kurdish Peshmerga, the military force raised by Iraqi Kurdistan, has been the only reliable land force in the campaign against ISIS. Without the Kurds, U.S. efforts to rout ISIS would have continued to fail. And yet the same Western governments that have cheered the Kurds’ efforts are unprepared to countenance their desire for a state of their own.

Western indifference is a product of more than ingratitude. Though the U.S. regarded the Kurds as a friendly force throughout the war in Iraq, America was also heavily invested in maintaining the country’s unity, even if that concept was more of a legal fiction than a reality. Just as important, giving statehood to Iraq’s Kurds scares both Turkey and Iran, who both have substantial restive Kurdish minorities that have been subject to discrimination and repression.

Seen from that perspective, giving the Kurds their due might constitute not only a distraction from the war on ISIS but also a threat to Turkey, Iran, and the survival of the fragile Iraqi government in Baghdad.

But as Trump well understands, the boat sailed on Iraqi unity - and on any attempt to create a democratic federal system in Iraq - long ago. The Kurds know that if their rights are put on hold until after they’ve finished the dirty work of fighting ISIS, the world won’t lift a finger to ensure that any promises made to them will be kept. That’s why, in spite of condemnations from those neighboring governments and even discouragement from the United Nations - which is so solicitous about achieving statehood for Palestinians who support rather than fight terrorism - the Kurds have gone ahead and held their referendum.

Rather than providing support for the worrisome threats coming from the Turks, the Iranians, and the government in Baghdad, the U.S. ought to be signaling that this time, unlike numerous times in the past, the Kurds won’t be left to their fate. Supporting the Kurds, who have bled and died in a battle against terror the U.S. wanted fought but was too squeamish and war-weary to commit major land forces of its own to, is the right thing to do. And contrary to all of those wise men whispering in Trump’s ear that he can’t do anything to offend the Turks and Iranians, standing up for the Kurds is also in America’s strategic interest.

Though an independent Kurdistan in what is now northern Iraq won’t block Iran’s land bridge to Hezbollah, the presence of a strong armed force on Iran’s flank would provide the U.S. with the sort of strategic leverage against Iran for which Trump has been looking. Moreover, given the strength of the Peshmerga, the Kurds can defend themselves so long as the U.S. is prepared to honor its word to arm them.

Though the new state will fall short of a Jeffersonian democracy, it will still be freer than its neighbors. Like democratic Israel elsewhere in the region, Kurdistan will act as a bridgehead for the West in an area where dangerous forces have seized the initiative since Obama’s retreat from his “red line” in Syria and his nuclear deal with Iran.

As for the increasingly dictatorial state in Turkey, it’s time for Trump to send the Erdogan regime a message that he cannot dictate U.S. policy, and that the U.S. will not legitimize his ill treatment of Turkish Kurds by denying freedom to their coethnics in northern Iraq.

Backing the Kurds is exactly the sort of outside-the-box thinking that Trump promised when he was elected president. If he abandons the Kurds, just at the moment when they are most entitled to Western support, it won’t merely be another in a long history of betrayals of that people. It will be a sign that Trump lacks the insight and the courage to ignore his establishment advisers, and that his talk about rolling back Obama’s dangerous nuclear blunder with Iran is just posturing. That would be a greater danger to both his administration and U.S. interests than the displeasure of Erdogan or the ayatollahs could ever be.

Jonathan S. Tobin is opinion editor of JNS.org and a contributor to National Review Online.
 
Even if Iraq manages to subdue the Kurds for now, then they have a new insurrection on their hands and eventually the Sunni tribes will regroup and fight as well.
 
Looks like ground combat is beginning between the two sides.

Kirkuk: Iraqi forces advance on Kurdish-held sites
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-41631697
 
We got our selves a hot war, fighting for control of Kirkuk has apparently begun, Kurdish CTG are arriving as reinforcements. This was posted a couple minutes ago on FB, I know not the best source

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Jesus, what a mess. I hope CANSOF is popping smoke RTFN. It does not serve our national interest to have any of our men and women die in this mess.
 
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