Leave - mbr has none left

[markppcli]

What's a base duty centre? I dont think we have those in Halifax...

You don’t have a base HQ? With a base CWO that runs a base duty for POs and likely a non commissioned member? Duty centre would usually be the office that duty NCO / PO works at.

 

[Remius]

There is that... But you can establish a pattern and take administrative action with that.

Did that once. Allowable Sick days were always Fridays and mondays and consistant every month. So told to go to the mir. Got time off here and there until they refused to give the member any more because they were abusing the system. Then had to actually show up. Member was advised that when the CO was posted out that he was leaving as well (ending his class b contract)

 

[Lumber]

Side note, is there security on ships in port? If so who's responsible for it?

Yes there is a duty watch aboard ship 24/7. But I wasn't referring to ships, I was referring to place like the recruiting center, the school, base admin, etc.

 

[Remius]

Yes there is a duty watch aboard ship 24/7. But I wasn't referring to ships, I was referring to place like the recruiting center, the school, base admin, etc.

Don’t know about the rest but we closed the CFRC over Xmas leave

 

[Quirky]

What's stopping a unit from having said member with no leave being responsible to open and close the building during those two weeks, or whatever days they have to work? You could even have them show up for PT then dismiss themselves for the day afterwards if you're feeling particularly giving.

We had people come in once a day, which weren’t holidays, to check the hangars for water leaks, clean fuel spills, etc. They were locals anyway and essentially got free time off for an hour day of “work”.

 

[SeaKingTacco]

Side note, is there security on ships in port? If so who's responsible for it?

Yes.

 

[medicineman]

Did that once. Allowable Sick days were always Fridays and mondays and consistant every month. So told to go to the mir. Got time off here and there until they refused to give the member any more because they were abusing the system. Then had to actually show up. Member was advised that when the CO was posted out that he was leaving as well (ending his class b contract)

Sounds like an MO we had in one unit I was in - was always a Monday and Friday...should have seen the AJAG file on them when they were going to be court martialed for dereliction, AWA, etc - 3 x 4" binders thick of depositions/testimony...including mine.

 

[Short and Stout]

Yea I don't understand how their supervisor would have approved them burning up the last of their leaving knowing that Christmas usually requires 2-6 days (depending on unit and the members desires).


And how did they actually use all 5 "family obligation days" (actually called "Short Leave(Family-related obligations)"? For many of those occasions for which that leave is warranted, supervisors simply "let their members go". I don't think I've ever seen or heard of people using/receiving this type of leave.

What's "admin time for 'RV'?

Rendez-vous aka appointments.

 

[McG]

If a person has used all their leave, then they don’t get any more leave.

Now what about situations between now till March 31

Was all the leave used as part pf a plan, or this member have problems in their personal life that have been causing them to consume leave at a faster rate? If the former, then you don’t have a problem and the member just doesn’t get more leave. If the latter, then that might be a red flag that chain of command needs to intervene to resolve whatever is going on outside of work.

 

[Haggis]

Sounds like an MO we had in one unit I was in - was always a Monday and Friday...should have seen the AJAG file on them when they were going to be court martialed for dereliction, AWA, etc - 3 x 4" binders thick of depositions/testimony...including mine.

The case I alluded to was an a Admin Clk Cpl when I was a Directorate Sgt Maj at NDHQ. Said member always called in sick on a Monday after a certain NFL team had played poorly the night before.

 

[GR66]

The case I alluded to was an a Admin Clk Cpl when I was a Directorate Sgt Maj at NDHQ. Said member always called in sick on a Monday after a certain NFL team had played poorly the night before.

Tell me he was a Jets fan without telling me he was a Jets fan...

 

[Fishbone Jones]

What's stopping a unit from having said member with no leave being responsible to open and close the building during those two weeks, or whatever days they have to work? You could even have them show up for PT then dismiss themselves for the day afterwards if you're feeling particularly giving.

Units are always looking for bodies to work over the holidays. I don’t see the problem. Pair him with the useless supervisor who wasn’t watching his leave allocation.

 

[CountDC]

Where the MIR follows CAF-set policies and members get a week off.

Had that. The officer refused me calling in even though it was the first time for me. told the WO I really didn't want to go the MIR as I knew what would happen, just wanted the day to recover. Went to MIR, 3 days off, go directly home, call in and let them know if they had an issue to contact the doc. Told the WO this is why I didn't want to go to the MIR as I knew they would put my off for several days and now the work I was supposed to have done wasn't getting done. Sometimes it helps to actually know your staff and hear them.

What's a base duty centre? I dont think we have those in Halifax...

Yes you do and I have had the privilege of doing them on several occasions.

What's PT? Asking for a navy friend.

Use to be emptying glasses in the mess.

Side note, is there security on ships in port? If so who's responsible for it?

Duty Watch. Fun time. Cook made awesome steaks.

 

[Haggis]

Tell me he was a Jets fan without telling me he was a Jets fan...

If memory serves me, it was the Bengals.

 

[captloadie]

While the OP hasn't provided any details, there is a scenario where the member may have burned all their leave already no through their own fault, and not necessarily their immediate supervisors fault. The member could have been on parental leave since 1 Apr until end June, and only had enough time in to have earned 20 days leave. Unit goes on 3 weeks block leave for the summer requiring 15 days annual, he can only earn 14 that FY, so used all his leave, plus 1 short, to make it through the summer, as per Div orders.

But yes, someone should have recognized this and maybe used some common sense and not forced the member on a full 3 weeks block leave.

 

[CountDC]

While the OP hasn't provided any details, there is a scenario where the member may have burned all their leave already no through their own fault, and not necessarily their immediate supervisors fault. The member could have been on parental leave since 1 Apr until end June, and only had enough time in to have earned 20 days leave. Unit goes on 3 weeks block leave for the summer requiring 15 days annual, he can only earn 14 that FY, so used all his leave, plus 1 short, to make it through the summer, as per Div orders.

But yes, someone should have recognized this and maybe used some common sense and not forced the member on a full 3 weeks block leave.

Which makes it still a member and supervisor issue. The member should have brought it to the supervisor attention that if they submitted the leave it was all they had and thus wouldn't have any for Dec block. The supervisor should also have been tracking the leave and picked up on this so they could have made alternative arrangements.

Div is ordering 3 weeks of leave? Wow. Never saw that before as they tended to like tasking everyone they could resulting in those left behind not able to get in a bunch of leave. Still, 2 weeks is enough to require, as you point out for some that is half their leave.

 

[Jarnhamar]

I still don't see what the problem with having no annual left is. Give someone a list of jobs to do and have them work like normal.

 

[Furniture]

I still don't see what the problem with having no annual left is. Give someone a list of jobs to do and have them work like normal.

I'm guessing most of us who see a problem, see it as a problem because the member likely used up leave to deal with issues of some variety that haven't gone away, and likely the member is likely to expect more time-off in the future.

Since we haven't received any more information, there is no real way to know for sure if there is a problem or if there is going to be a very lonely member working by themself through the Christmas and March break leave periods.